Trump Tries to Put the "Teacher Hate" Back in the Bottle

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It's a figure of speech.

No, It's a sign of ignorance.

 

[todd down under]

No, It's a sign of ignorance.

It's a sign your hemorhoids are acting up.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

And we have the worst schools in the industrialized world. The disdain is well earned.

I guess the concept of average escapes you. We have some of the best schools in the world. Everyone wants to come here for their education. Inner city Baltimore is just not the place, and they drag everyone else to the bottom.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It's a sign your hemorhoids are acting up.

Don't have any. I am a perfect asshole!

 

[1srelluc]

It became more about teacher and (worse yet) administrative pay than the students decades ago. It's not getting any better either.

In the United States, there were approximately 993,000 school administrators working in 2023, a net increase of 23.5 percent from ten years prior.....Up 4% since 2019.

Average pay.....$121,911.

The basic question, and an answer you already know is.....Are you getting your money's worth?

 

[rightwinger]

Trump manufactured hate against schools to rile his supporters up and give them something to be outraged about. It's what he does. Are you just now catching on to that?

Trumps goal is to end public school education and replace it with vouchers

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It became more about teacher and (worse yet) administrative pay than the students decades ago. It's not getting any better either.

In the United States, there were approximately 993,000 school administrators working in 2023, a net increase of 23.5 percent from ten years prior.....Up 4% since 2019.

Schools are trying to micromanage their way out of poor performance.

You simply cannot make chicken salad out of the chicken shit students that society provides to the public schools.

 

[Unkotare]

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I don't know one--not one--who loves their job now...

I know lots.

 

[Unkotare]

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It's just not worth it anymore.

Then quit and shut up.

 

[Unkotare]

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DOE then micromanages teachers. ...

???????????????
Who told you that?

 

[Unkotare]

I hear often that the DOE prevents teachers from doing their jobs. I have yet to hear exactly how they do that. Can you give examples?

They don't.

 

[MarathonMike]

You have always been an adamant supporter of that fat orange fool. If he hated it, you hated it. Doesn't matter how many lies you and he had to tell to enforce that hate. Now it's you with your titty in the mouse trap. Good.

You so funny BooDoggy. You ooze hate just like the rest of the Trump Hater Cult.

 

[BULLDOG]

???????????????
Who told you that?

Every right wing talking head for the last several years. Doesn't matter if it's a lie. It's enough to keep their cult members riled up.

 

[SweetSue92]

Yeah good luck with that, President Trump. My fellow conservatives have long hated just about everything about teachers. If one teacher in Brooklyn hangs a Pride flag, it means that every school across the land is "indoctrinating" students.

I would be alarmed at the state my profession is in, with teachers not making it past the five year mark and no one going into it. But frankly, we suck as a society. We don't deserve good teachers anymore, and certainly haven't earned them.

I'd like to update this thread with a trend in teaching I never thought I would love:

Teachers not giving ANY of their own time. I mean none. No after school activities, no weekend activities. nothing.

When I started teaching I thought this was horrid. Teachers should be willing to give extra; it is "for the kids". This was in the 90s.

But with society and parents the way they are now? Absolutely not. Even at my very good school, teachers are refusing to show up if we're not paid extra. Not for anything.

And good on us. Society deserves it. Parents all the more.

 

[eagle1462010]

I hear often that the DOE prevents teachers from doing their jobs. I have yet to hear exactly how they do that. Can you give examples?

NCLB & ESEA

Federal mandates on States for testing which lead to teach the test.

Of course blame States for it

 

[eagle1462010]

I'd like to update this thread with a trend in teaching I never thought I would love:

Teachers not giving ANY of their own time. I mean none. No after school activities, no weekend activities. nothing.

When I started teaching I thought this was horrid. Teachers should be willing to give extra; it is "for the kids". This was in the 90s.

But with society and parents the way they are now? Absolutely not. Even at my very good school, teachers are refusing to show up if we're not paid extra. Not for anything.

And good on us. Society deserves it. Parents all the more.

I refuse to work off the clock without pay and neither should they

 

[WorldWatcher]

I refuse to work off the clock without pay and neither should they

I get what Sue is saying, and it's sad to see the demonization of education that has been occuring for decades.

But just to point out, Teachers are excempt employees under the Fair Labor and Standards Act meaning they are paid a salary for the term of the contract. Teachers don't punch in and punch out on a time clock.

WW

 

[SweetSue92]

I get what Sue is saying, and it's sad to see the demonization of education that has been occuring for decades.

But just to point out, Teachers are excempt employees under the Fair Labor and Standards Act meaning they are paid a salary for the term of the contract. Teachers don't punch in and punch out on a time clock.

WW

Yes but we have working hours. Contract hours.

Here's a sad case. Last night, on a Friday night, I gave up two hours of my own time to see a few of my students in a youth theater production. I gave the student a big hug afterward. The mom just looked at me like what are you doing here.

I don't do these things for the thanks. I do it for the kids. But thanks would be nice--like hey, my husband is at home, it's Friday night, and I'm here. For your kid.

But nothing, ever, for like the last ten years or so.

ETA this wasn't me being some kind of creeper, bc I know that's what everyone thinks these days. I contacted the mom ahead of time, asked for the theater info, etc. She knew I was coming.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Yes but we have working hours. Contract hours.

Here's a sad case. Last night, on a Friday night, I gave up two hours of my own time to see a few of my students in a youth theater production. I gave the student a big hug afterward. The mom just looked at me like what are you doing here.

I don't do these things for the thanks. I do it for the kids. But thanks would be nice--like hey, my husband is at home, it's Friday night, and I'm here. For your kid.

But nothing, ever, for like the last ten years or so.

ETA this wasn't me being some kind of creeper, bc I know that's what everyone thinks these days. I contacted the mom ahead of time, asked for the theater info, etc. She knew I was coming.

Recognizing that school systems very.

I'm responsibile for issuing the annual contracts to returning EEs in our division. Now this is Viringia, your mileage may vary, but our contracts do not list "school hours" or "contract hours". They list the total number of days (broken out by Instructional, Professional Development, In-Service, and Discretionary.

But with that said, two things. One, it should be about supporting the kids. Two, I think I would have been happy to have you as one of the teachers teaching my kids.

WW

 

[SweetSue92]

Recognizing that school systems very.

I'm responsibile for issuing the annual contracts to returning EEs in our division. Now this is Viringia, your mileage may vary, but our contracts do not list "school hours" or "contract hours". They list the total number of days (broken out by Instructional, Professional Development, In-Service, and Discretionary.

But with that said, two things. One, it should be about supporting the kids. Two, I think I would have been happy to have you as one of the teachers teaching my kids.

WW

Thank you, I have loved teaching. I would never have chosen another career for myself. That said, I would advise younger people to think long and hard before they go into it now.