US-China trade deficit

[Slade3200]

China cheats

And the top 1% in America benefit from it

Trump knows this and wants to change it even though he is part of the top 1%

Most people know this and want to change it. It’s just too bad our president can’t go about it in an intelligent way

 

[sealybobo]

You will be proven wrong. China cannot go without the billions they made selling us crap.

No way we can/will hold out longer than them.

And why do this to us? Did it have to be done in such a way? No it did not. Starting with attacking our allies at the same time. Seems dumb to do right? It was.

Nothing I can do about it. Either you are right or I am. And when Trump backs down/gives in and just makes a deal that only saves face, are you going to declare victory?

First off, if we want those jobs here in America, why argue? Why tell China in 2 years you're going to stop buying from them? Don't tell them until we are ready.

I could go on and on but I'll stop here. China CAN go without us. They sell to the rest of the world too you know. Which is why it's crazy that Trump pissed the rest of the world off too. It's as if he's trying to get them to buy from China instead of us.

Who looks like the bad guy today to the rest of the world Xi or Trump?

 

[jknowgood]

No way we can/will hold out longer than them.

And why do this to us? Did it have to be done in such a way? No it did not. Starting with attacking our allies at the same time. Seems dumb to do right? It was.

Nothing I can do about it. Either you are right or I am. And when Trump backs down/gives in and just makes a deal that only saves face, are you going to declare victory?

First off, if we want those jobs here in America, why argue? Why tell China in 2 years you're going to stop buying from them? Don't tell them until we are ready.

I could go on and on but I'll stop here. China CAN go without us. They sell to the rest of the world too you know. Which is why it's crazy that Trump pissed the rest of the world off too. It's as if he's trying to get them to buy from China instead of us.

Who looks like the bad guy today to the rest of the world Xi or Trump?

China is on the brink of bankruptcy, they will cave in.

 

[sealybobo]

China is on the brink of bankruptcy, they will cave in.

Fingers crossed

 

[Mac-7]

Most people know this and want to change it. It’s just too bad our president can’t go about it in an intelligent way

At least trump is doing something

He is providing leadership and direction that was lacking before he came along

 

[Slade3200]

China cheats

And the top 1% in America benefit from it

Trump knows this and wants to change it even though he is part of the top 1%

Most people know this and want to change it. It’s just too bad our president can’t go about it in an intelligent way

At least trump is doing something

He is providing leadership and direction that was lacking before he came along

Again, I have no issues with taking action as long as it is smart and effective. If I said “well at least he is doing something” at every shitty Biden or Obama policy you critiqued… you’d laugh me out of the room.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Fingers crossed

Or we can refuse to trade with an aggressor state who's multiply stated goal is to literally conquer an ally that may get us into a major with them and kill tens of thousands of our men and women in the conflict.

 

[sealybobo]

Or we can refuse to trade with an aggressor state who's multiply stated goal is to literally conquer an ally that may get us into a major with them and kill tens of thousands of our men and women in the conflict.

Who is the aggressor state?

Trump still would like to add Canada and Greenland but says attack on Canada ‘highly unlikely’​

Not out of the question. Highly unlikely.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Who is the aggressor state?

China. China is an aggressor state in the region, against VIetnam, Japan, South Korea, but specifically Taiwan. By trading with them, even if perfectly balanced, we are increasing their economy and their ability to war with us over Taiwan. We are thus, feeding the country with money to develop the technology to kill us. When we thought they would democratize it was a good idea. Now, not so much.

Trump still would like to add Canada and Greenland but says attack on Canada ‘highly unlikely’​

Not out of the question. Highly unlikely.

Yes. Canadians are slowing up buying our stuff. in that instance we are the aggressor and they are right to do so.

 

[sealybobo]

China. China is an aggressor state in the region, against VIetnam, Japan, South Korea, but specifically Taiwan. By trading with them, even if perfectly balanced, we are increasing their economy and their ability to war with us over Taiwan. We are thus, feeding the country with money to develop the technology to kill us. When we thought they would democratize it was a good idea. Now, not so much.

Yes. Canadians are slowing up buying our stuff. in that instance we are the aggressor and they are right to do so.

What would Democratizing do? Aren't we a Democracy? Look at how our government has been taken over by the rich. Our Democracy is a joke.

My Chinese buddy said China doesn't put up with protesters. Sounds like Trump.

 

[Zincwarrior]

What would Democratizing do? Aren't we a Democracy? Look at how our government has been taken over by the rich. Our Democracy is a joke.

My Chinese buddy said China doesn't put up with protesters. Sounds like Trump.

The theory was that China would move away from being an authoritarian state if everyone got rich. I believe that was the idea Nixon had.

 

[Mac-7]

Most people know this and want to change it. It’s just too bad our president can’t go about it in an intelligent way
Again, I have no issues with taking action as long as it is smart and effective. If I said “well at least he is doing something” at every shitty Biden or Obama policy you critiqued… you’d laugh me out of the room.

Other than a few things trump said that he shouldnt have, his actions have been spot on

 

[sealybobo]

The theory was that China would move away from being an authoritarian state if everyone got rich. I believe that was the idea Nixon had.

We’re an authoritarian state now.

 

[sealybobo]

Other than a few things trump said that he shouldnt have, his actions have been spot on

Even the major fuck ups? You wouldn’t have gone about the trade wars the way he did it at first. Huge mistake running off our trading 0artnners. Making Europe and Canada turn to China, piss everyone off, now go at China before we are prepared?

You have too much faith they know what they are doing. Seems they don’t. Empty shelves, the rest of the world is boycott8ng america.

Tesla down 71%. Wake up idiots. Isolationists.

Or I could be wrong

 

[sealybobo]

Other than a few things trump said that he shouldnt have, his actions have been spot on

Hegseth directs 20% cut to top military leadership positions

In a memo dated Monday, Hegseth said the cuts will remove “redundant force structure to optimize and streamline leadership.”

www.militarytimes.com

Is the military getting taken over by maga?

Seems very nazi to me

 

[Mac-7]

Even the major fuck ups? You wouldn’t have gone about the trade wars the way he did it at first. Huge mistake running off our trading 0artnners. Making Europe and Canada turn to China, piss everyone off, now go at China before we are prepared?

You have too much faith they know what they are doing. Seems they don’t. Empty shelves, the rest of the world is boycott8ng america.

Tesla down 71%. Wake up idiots. Isolationists.

Or I could be wrong

There is no way to decouple from the chinese supply chain that doesent hurt

Thats why previous presidents were afraid to try

No one really knows how this will play out

But your impression that our trading partners were our friends till trump came along and pissed them off is far from accurate

 

[sealybobo]

There is no way to decouple from the chinese supply chain that doesent hurt

Thats why previous presidents were afraid to try

No one really knows how this will play out

But your impression that our trading partners were our friends till trump came along and pissed them off is far from accurate

We could have and should have handled everyone much differently. You know it. You write it off as that’s just trump, he knows best, and you believe him when he confidently says this is going to work out.

I said you were a fool to believe last year and I stay firm on that till I see different

 

[Slade3200]

Other than a few things trump said that he shouldnt have, his actions have been spot on

BS! His attacks on Canada and Mexico and the blanket tariffs on all our allies?! Idiotic. Broke trust and reduced our leverage on China, which should have been the true target

 

[Mac-7]

We could have and should have handled everyone much differently. You know it. You write it off as that’s just trump, he knows best, and you believe him when he confidently says this is going to work out.

I said you were a fool to believe last year and I stay firm on that till I see different

Yes, I have already called that an unforced error

But you dont take your best player out of the game because he mishandled a ground ball in the 2nd inning

China is as much an economic and political threat to the effete Euros and Canadians as he is to America

They will come around

 

[Mac-7]

BS! His attacks on Canada and Mexico and the blanket tariffs on all our allies?! Idiotic. Broke trust and reduced our leverage on China, which should have been the true target

See post #39