JWBooth
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"I didn't climb to the top of the food chain to eat vegetables."
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California - I learned the hard way that many, many "ethical, local farms" who claim to treat animals well do not do so. Not saying all of them don't, but people tend to say what their consumers wish to hear. It is not always just factory farms who do this.
And I would rather cows become extinct instead of them being born to suffer immensely before an excruciating death. It has always bothered me that farm animals (many of them) only exist to be killed for consumption. They are a species with an expiration date, and awful living conditions. This saddens me.
It's easy to believe farmers when they say "happy cows come from California" and so on. But again, they just tell you what you want to hear. Factory farms especially (among others) are interested mainly in profit. It's cheaper to treat animals like crap and kill them in ways you can't imagine (long, slowly, painfully). Sadly their welfare is less important to them than a quick buck.
California - I learned the hard way that many, many "ethical, local farms" who claim to treat animals well do not do so. Not saying all of them don't, but people tend to say what their consumers wish to hear. It is not always just factory farms who do this.
And I would rather cows become extinct instead of them being born to suffer immensely before an excruciating death. It has always bothered me that farm animals (many of them) only exist to be killed for consumption. They are a species with an expiration date, and awful living conditions. This saddens me.
It's easy to believe farmers when they say "happy cows come from California" and so on. But again, they just tell you what you want to hear. Factory farms especially (among others) are interested mainly in profit. It's cheaper to treat animals like crap and kill them in ways you can't imagine (long, slowly, painfully). Sadly their welfare is less important to them than a quick buck.
I worked on a kill floor. The pigs and cows died instantly. They didn't suffer.
Do you wear leather shoes? Have leather car interior? Have any leather products at all?I recently became vegan (for ethical reasons) and realized that it's much easier than I previously anticipated it would be. So that puts a smile on my face. I'm wondering what those who post here think of veganism.
And, if anyone has any questions about the lifestyle, feel free to ask!
I recently became vegan (for ethical reasons) and realized that it's much easier than I previously anticipated it would be. So that puts a smile on my face. I'm wondering what those who post here think of veganism.
And, if anyone has any questions about the lifestyle, feel free to ask!
Comparing eating meat with smoking tobacco? How does THAT work?I know it was a suggestion. It was a suggestion by the GOVERNMENT that would influence the market.But it wasn't interference. It wasn't a rule. It wasn't a new guideline. It wasn't a decree. It wasn't anything like that.
It was a suggestion that they backed.
Didn't you read the link, or did you just make an assumption from the clipped part I posted?
Here, from the hated NY Times:
The message seemed innocuous enough, coming as it did from the federal agency tasked with promoting sustainable agriculture and dietary health: One simple way to reduce your environmental impact while dining at our cafeterias, read a United States Department of Agriculture interoffice newsletter published on its Web site this week, is to participate in the Meatless Monday initiative.
Thousands of corporate cafeterias, restaurants and schools have embraced the idea of skipping meat on Mondays in favor of vegetarian options, an initiative of the nonprofit Monday Campaign Inc. and the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health.
How will going meatless one day of the week help the environment? it asked. The production of meat, especially beef (and dairy as well), has a large environmental impact. According to the U.N., animal agriculture is a major source of greenhouse gases and climate change. It also wastes resources. It takes 7,000 kg of grain to make 1,000 kg of beef.
The suggestion by the GOVERNMENT that smoking is bad for you influenced the tobacco market, and now vastly reduced numbers of children do not smoke, and will not develop lung cancer in huge numbers.
Was that bad, too?
How many more examples would you like me to come up with?
God made me omnivorous for a reason, and the world, properly cooked and seasoned is pretty darn tasty."I didn't climb to the top of the food chain to eat vegetables."
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I recently became vegan (for ethical reasons) and realized that it's much easier than I previously anticipated it would be. So that puts a smile on my face. I'm wondering what those who post here think of veganism.
And, if anyone has any questions about the lifestyle, feel free to ask!
Then the answer stays the same. Fine. You go be vegan. More power to you. Try running guilt trips on me for having tasty tasty cow... yeah. loud unhappy words.^I never said anyone can't. Everyone has a choice and I'm not trying to shove my eating habits onto somebody else.
^I never said anyone can't. Everyone has a choice and I'm not trying to shove my eating habits onto somebody else.
Then the answer stays the same. Fine. You go be vegan. More power to you. Try running guilt trips on me for having tasty tasty cow... yeah. loud unhappy words.^I never said anyone can't. Everyone has a choice and I'm not trying to shove my eating habits onto somebody else.
I feel the same way about vegans as I do about gays, anti-hunters, anti-gun people, anti-smokers, etc. I don't really care what your choices may be and I can leave you well enough alone. That is, until someone feels they have some kind of twisted "right" to force me to follow their choices. I have no problem if you don't want to eat meat, hunt, own a firearm, or smoke, etc.
My experience is, vegans who have made that choice for reasons of health are generally not as obnoxious about being vegan as those who make their choice for some philosophical ideology. For my part, I not only farm, I hunt for my meat. I rarely buy meat from the supermarket, my home-raised meat (mostly chevon right now) is healthy, happy, and very nutritious, not to mention fresh. I have fresh milk, home made cheese, yogurt, and kefir. Oh, yeah, I make a goat's milk soap that would likely put your vegan stuff to shame, but that's just me. You would not believe how delicious a freshly picked hen-fruit or a "range-raised" chicken tastes. I hunt wild game because that meat is also superior to store bought and I always know where it comes from and how it's processed. And I use the hides to make leather. I also raise many of the herbs and veggies I eat or I buy them from local producers.
I have made these choices because I like to eat healthy, nutritious foods...and for ideological reasons.
I am happy that you have found a lifestyle that pleases you and that you are able to find products that help you achieve the goals you set by choosing that lifestyle. Good luck. Just please remember, not all of us would make the choice you have.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dswOcb7pn6g]bobby squeal - YouTube[/ame]Then the answer stays the same. Fine. You go be vegan. More power to you. Try running guilt trips on me for having tasty tasty cow... yeah. loud unhappy words.^I never said anyone can't. Everyone has a choice and I'm not trying to shove my eating habits onto somebody else.
Comparing eating meat with smoking tobacco? How does THAT work?I know it was a suggestion. It was a suggestion by the GOVERNMENT that would influence the market.
The suggestion by the GOVERNMENT that smoking is bad for you influenced the tobacco market, and now vastly reduced numbers of children do not smoke, and will not develop lung cancer in huge numbers.
Was that bad, too?
How many more examples would you like me to come up with?