Video shows Ahmaud Arbery Was caught breaking and entering an unfinished property, then towards McMichael‘s house

[TheGreenHornet]

Silly question. But if the house was open and under construction how was it breaking and entering?

In Georgia any dwelling that is unoccupied, occupied or vacant, you can’t enter with the intent to steal, but doesn’t matter, it was Suspicious activity, it was ongoing Travis confronted Arbery previously, The owner put a camera in because people were breaking in. If you look at the video there is some really nice equipment inside the property

and you’ve already been told this.

And English the owner said nothing was stolen. So intent to steal is a stretch. And you can’t break and enter a building that is not closed. At most. Trespassing. And only under specific circumstances that were not met.

So as you have been told this. Why do you continue to pretend otherwise?

The house had doors and windows on it bro, it had expensive equipment inside. He had a camera to catch ppl breaking in, it had electricity.. this is a dwelling.

and it doesn’t matter they followed him to stop him from breaking in, and English was the owner NOT THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERs, we don’t have a statement from the construction workers saying their tools weren’t stolen.

This is a self defense case.. you don’t like them
Following the criminal!! TO BAD! I don’t care about your feelingsView attachment 340965hugE.. NO TRESPASSING! Sign

Here is the problem with your version of events. If they had a dropped hammer along the road that you claimed he had at one time. Or if they had statements that there was property missing the Defense Attorney could probably get the charges dropped by filing a motion with the judge. He would certainly cause enough doubt to get the McMichaels out on bail. But neither has happened.

So the lawyer is not serving his clients by ending this as quickly as possible. Instead drawing it out while they are in jail as long as possible?

When did the sign go up? Because I don’t remember seeing it in the neighbors video or any pictures even from the supporters.

We already went over this,, The media has sensationalize this we have a video of a man using self-defense it was a justifiable homicide and they’re in jail right now.. what evidence could be better than that? It’s going to trial.

But if all this evidence exists. Despite the fact it is not reported on the news. Then the lawyer could get the charges dropped tomorrow. He could have had them dropped last week and the McMichaels could have spent Memorial Day with the traditional BBQ sucking on a beer.

Did you see the police report? It was 4 paragraphs long, no interviews with Bryan, no neighbor interviews, we don’t know much,, so you think if they had a hammer they would get out even though they have self defense on film? Lol your funny.

I am funny? You do not understand the charges against them. You have decided the charges are bullshit political nonsense. But the charges are supported by legs so to speak, of facts. Knock away those facts and the charges fall down.

In order for the Murder charge to go away the killing has to be self defense. You swear up and down it is. I say it is not. My reason is that you can not claim self defense when you are committing a Felony. It is why Armed Robbers do not get to claim self defense for killing the clerk.

The Felony that was committed was the Aggravated Assault. The Aggravated Assault statute makes it a felony to confront anyone while holding a weapon. Your intent matters here. But what matters most is the situation. The Prosecutor knows and so does the judge that while it is illegal to hold someone for police at gunpoint getting a conviction is a little harder.

This is the next leg. The only way to avoid the Aggravated Assault felony is if the person you were stopping committed a crime. For Citizens Arrest the person had to commit a crime. Not five years ago. Not five days ago. Not even an hour ago. But right then and there. Burglary right then and there would be a crime. It would be petty theft since the hammer is not worth more than $500 in all honesty.

But it would weaken the leg of the Aggravated Assault. Not remove it. Weaken it. That in turn would weaken the leg of the Murder charge. Agains not remove it. But weaken it enough to at least justify bail.

Now it may be six months or a year before the trial. No lawyer is going to leave his client in jail for six months much less a year if he can get them out. In this case three lawyers would have to be in agreement that not only their client but all three men need to stay in jail for that whole time.

Each man has his own lawyer. I read that in two of the news articles posted on the many threads. So three lawyers have to agree that the best thing to do is keep their clients in jail. That I have a hard time believing. That is especially hard considering one of the three men claims not to have been involved at all. Just following hoping for a picture of the “suspect”. His lawyer would be talking to the Prosecutor and trying to explain it. Especially since your assertion is that it is far better for the man to sit in jail for months or even a year before trial?

The problem for you is that you do not understand how the chain of events are viewed. You hop around one to another. But it was a sequence of events. Anything that weakens that chain is good for the defense. It could create the reasonable doubt needed for the Not Guilty verdict. But that chain is so strong right now the Judge has denied bail for all three. So weakening that chain a little gets the men bail. Breaking it could get the charges dismissed.

But three lawyers are not doing that. Now. Put yourself in the McMichaels shoes. They are starting their third week in jail. Bad food. Locked in a cell all day because it is too dangerous to put them in General Population. Seeing their families for a few minutes every week. Probably through glass. Not allowed to hold hands. They agree with this idea of sitting in jail until the trial which could be a year from now? Or longer if there is another court shut down due to COVID round two this fall?

They were committing no felony ....that is just a figment of your imagination.

Silly question. But if the house was open and under construction how was it breaking and entering?

In Georgia any dwelling that is unoccupied, occupied or vacant, you can’t enter with the intent to steal, but doesn’t matter, it was Suspicious activity, it was ongoing Travis confronted Arbery previously, The owner put a camera in because people were breaking in. If you look at the video there is some really nice equipment inside the property

and you’ve already been told this.

And English the owner said nothing was stolen. So intent to steal is a stretch. And you can’t break and enter a building that is not closed. At most. Trespassing. And only under specific circumstances that were not met.

So as you have been told this. Why do you continue to pretend otherwise?

The house had doors and windows on it bro, it had expensive equipment inside. He had a camera to catch ppl breaking in, it had electricity.. this is a dwelling.

and it doesn’t matter they followed him to stop him from breaking in, and English was the owner NOT THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERs, we don’t have a statement from the construction workers saying their tools weren’t stolen.

This is a self defense case.. you don’t like them
Following the criminal!! TO BAD! I don’t care about your feelingsView attachment 340965hugE.. NO TRESPASSING! Sign

Here is the problem with your version of events. If they had a dropped hammer along the road that you claimed he had at one time. Or if they had statements that there was property missing the Defense Attorney could probably get the charges dropped by filing a motion with the judge. He would certainly cause enough doubt to get the McMichaels out on bail. But neither has happened.

So the lawyer is not serving his clients by ending this as quickly as possible. Instead drawing it out while they are in jail as long as possible?

When did the sign go up? Because I don’t remember seeing it in the neighbors video or any pictures even from the supporters.

We already went over this,, The media has sensationalize this we have a video of a man using self-defense it was a justifiable homicide and they’re in jail right now.. what evidence could be better than that? It’s going to trial.

But if all this evidence exists. Despite the fact it is not reported on the news. Then the lawyer could get the charges dropped tomorrow. He could have had them dropped last week and the McMichaels could have spent Memorial Day with the traditional BBQ sucking on a beer.

Did you see the police report? It was 4 paragraphs long, no interviews with Bryan, no neighbor interviews, we don’t know much,, so you think if they had a hammer they would get out even though they have self defense on film? Lol your funny.

I am funny? You do not understand the charges against them. You have decided the charges are bullshit political nonsense. But the charges are supported by legs so to speak, of facts. Knock away those facts and the charges fall down.

In order for the Murder charge to go away the killing has to be self defense. You swear up and down it is. I say it is not. My reason is that you can not claim self defense when you are committing a Felony. It is why Armed Robbers do not get to claim self defense for killing the clerk.

The Felony that was committed was the Aggravated Assault. The Aggravated Assault statute makes it a felony to confront anyone while holding a weapon. Your intent matters here. But what matters most is the situation. The Prosecutor knows and so does the judge that while it is illegal to hold someone for police at gunpoint getting a conviction is a little harder.

This is the next leg. The only way to avoid the Aggravated Assault felony is if the person you were stopping committed a crime. For Citizens Arrest the person had to commit a crime. Not five years ago. Not five days ago. Not even an hour ago. But right then and there. Burglary right then and there would be a crime. It would be petty theft since the hammer is not worth more than $500 in all honesty.

But it would weaken the leg of the Aggravated Assault. Not remove it. Weaken it. That in turn would weaken the leg of the Murder charge. Agains not remove it. But weaken it enough to at least justify bail.

Now it may be six months or a year before the trial. No lawyer is going to leave his client in jail for six months much less a year if he can get them out. In this case three lawyers would have to be in agreement that not only their client but all three men need to stay in jail for that whole time.

Each man has his own lawyer. I read that in two of the news articles posted on the many threads. So three lawyers have to agree that the best thing to do is keep their clients in jail. That I have a hard time believing. That is especially hard considering one of the three men claims not to have been involved at all. Just following hoping for a picture of the “suspect”. His lawyer would be talking to the Prosecutor and trying to explain it. Especially since your assertion is that it is far better for the man to sit in jail for months or even a year before trial?

The problem for you is that you do not understand how the chain of events are viewed. You hop around one to another. But it was a sequence of events. Anything that weakens that chain is good for the defense. It could create the reasonable doubt needed for the Not Guilty verdict. But that chain is so strong right now the Judge has denied bail for all three. So weakening that chain a little gets the men bail. Breaking it could get the charges dismissed.

But three lawyers are not doing that. Now. Put yourself in the McMichaels shoes. They are starting their third week in jail. Bad food. Locked in a cell all day because it is too dangerous to put them in General Population. Seeing their families for a few minutes every week. Probably through glass. Not allowed to hold hands. They agree with this idea of sitting in jail until the trial which could be a year from now? Or longer if there is another court shut down due to COVID round two this fall?

What bullshit you mouth. You some kinda niggha girl? Cuz you real stoooopid........The McMichaels did not committ aggravated assault or any other crime. That is a figment of your imagination.

Georgia law on Aggravated Assault

Georgia Law on Aggravated asault
Universal Citation: GA Code § 16-5-21 (2017)

• (a) A person commits the offense of aggravated assault when he or she assaults:
  • (1) With intent to murder, to rape, or to rob;
  • (2) With a deadly weapon or with any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury;
  • (3) With any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in strangulation; or
  • (4) A person or persons without legal justification by discharging a firearm from within a motor vehicle toward a person or persons.

The McMichaels did not as in had no intent to murder, rape or rob anyone. So your bullshlit does not fly.

Nor did they hold anyone at gunpoint....look here jackass, you do not get to make up the facts of the case. The facts of the case do not jive with your imagination of what happened.

Were the McMichaels intent on detaining AA? Yes. Was that detainment legal? No. So the attempt to illegally detain AA means that they were armed, and committing a felony. Illegal Imprisonment. That means they were committing Aggravated Assault. The resulting death, as it occured during the commission of a Felony, two actually, is murder.

It is a chain, and each link depends on the one before.

The McMichaels did not detain anyone. You claim to have watched the video..did you see anyone detained? Only in your deluded mind that has been duped by the media.

What I see and any sane person sees when they watch the complete video is dat colored boy running down the street with no handcuffs on, no noose around his neck, no sack over his head or nuttin like dat. What in the hell do you think detain means?

"In criminal law, detain means to hold a person in custody, often for purposes of questioning. A law enforcement officer needs to have a reasonable suspicion of unlawful activity to detain a person. Reasonable suspicion is less than the probable cause needed to arrest a person. The reasonableness of the length of time of detention will depend on the circumstances in each case. "

According to their statement they shouted “Stop, stop. We want to talk to you.” And AA did not stop. They then blocked the road with their truck, and Travis got out with his shotgun.

Now, what was he doing there if not attempting to stop AA? Birdwatching?

How could the suspect have been blocked? He jogged right around the truck with no problem. You letting that movie playing in your head mislead you again.

Not even to mention Travis was out of the truck with his shotgun long before the suspect ran up to them.

As has been pointed out before they were merely keeping the suspect under observation and waiting for the police to arrive. Greg constantly kept the police informed of what was going on.

And Travis keeping him under observation charged to cross over to the passenger side when AA changed course. Why? He couldn’t see him? His Father in the truck couldn’t?

We are being honest here. Admit it. Travis was going around the truck to intercept and detain AA. Everyone knows it.

Obviously you have not watched the real video. Maybe you watched the 'edited' version put out by the media.

In the video you can clearly see the suspect jogging up to the truck, going to the right to go around the truck which was easy to do and then he quickly veers to the left to attack Travis standing in the middle of the road.

In the video you can see the suspect running to the left in front of the truck in order to conduct a surprise attack. Which sounds insane but wait he was insane...still yet he almost pulled it off. Travis was taken by surprise but fortunately was able to keep a hold on his weapon. He was a strong guy otherwise the mental case would have taken his gun and most likely used against him and his father.

I watched the video. I have watched so often it has surpassed the Princess Bride on my play count.

The facts are that the McMichaels set off in pursuit. They had no right to. But they did it. They attempted to detain AA. If they had been successful they would still have been arrested. They committed Felonies. The story does not start with the Video. It ends there. It is like arguing that the car ended up in the river because it left the road. Well yes. But why did it leave the road? You are arguing that the events before the video are irrelevant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

You let your extreme bias block your ability to understand what really happened. Anyone can 'pursue' anyone that is not illegal. You can chase, you can follow...not illegal for anyone police or not.

The McMichaels had every right to pursue the suspect. Greg McMichaels had been practically deputized by the police as the man oveseeing the problem that the neighborhood had with tresspassing and burglary.

They made no effort to detain the suspect. Again just a figment of your imagination. Greg McMichaels had decades of law enforcement under his belt, he knew how to make an arrest. If he wanted to arrest the defendant he would have done so.

Yes, all the garbage that we see argued about constantly on here by you and others is irrelevant.

This case boils down to the fact that Travis was forced to use lethal force to defend his life.

Now you may want to and you do contend that the suspect did not attack Travis but the video....the real one....not the edited one put out by the media....clearly shows the suspect attacking Trayvon that cannot be disputed. It is clearly visible on the internet video. Can you imagine how much clearer it will be in the courtroom with all the enhancements they can use to display it, slow motion, frame by frame.
The jury will have no problem seeing that the suspect attacked Travis MacMichaels. Case closed.

 

[Godboy]

Im just wondering where your seeing the things your describing? What is a man to do when he is physically attacked by another man

Arbery was a pretty skinny guy. Maybe 160 soaking wet? McMichael looks like he tips in around the mid-200's.

If his intent was for the police to get involved, McMichael should've grabbed him, thrown him to the ground, and held him there. But that's not what he wanted to do at all. He wanted to kill a black man, and it just turned out to be Arbery's unlucky day...

If he wanted to kill a black man, why did he call the cops and stay on the phone with them before killing the black man? Your logic is fucking retarded. Arent you embarrassed?

 

[Canon Shooter]

Silly question. But if the house was open and under construction how was it breaking and entering?

In Georgia any dwelling that is unoccupied, occupied or vacant, you can’t enter with the intent to steal, but doesn’t matter, it was Suspicious activity, it was ongoing Travis confronted Arbery previously, The owner put a camera in because people were breaking in. If you look at the video there is some really nice equipment inside the property

and you’ve already been told this.

And English the owner said nothing was stolen. So intent to steal is a stretch. And you can’t break and enter a building that is not closed. At most. Trespassing. And only under specific circumstances that were not met.

So as you have been told this. Why do you continue to pretend otherwise?

The house had doors and windows on it bro, it had expensive equipment inside. He had a camera to catch ppl breaking in, it had electricity.. this is a dwelling.

and it doesn’t matter they followed him to stop him from breaking in, and English was the owner NOT THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERs, we don’t have a statement from the construction workers saying their tools weren’t stolen.

This is a self defense case.. you don’t like them
Following the criminal!! TO BAD! I don’t care about your feelingsView attachment 340965hugE.. NO TRESPASSING! Sign

Here is the problem with your version of events. If they had a dropped hammer along the road that you claimed he had at one time. Or if they had statements that there was property missing the Defense Attorney could probably get the charges dropped by filing a motion with the judge. He would certainly cause enough doubt to get the McMichaels out on bail. But neither has happened.

So the lawyer is not serving his clients by ending this as quickly as possible. Instead drawing it out while they are in jail as long as possible?

When did the sign go up? Because I don’t remember seeing it in the neighbors video or any pictures even from the supporters.

We already went over this,, The media has sensationalize this we have a video of a man using self-defense it was a justifiable homicide and they’re in jail right now.. what evidence could be better than that? It’s going to trial.

But if all this evidence exists. Despite the fact it is not reported on the news. Then the lawyer could get the charges dropped tomorrow. He could have had them dropped last week and the McMichaels could have spent Memorial Day with the traditional BBQ sucking on a beer.

Did you see the police report? It was 4 paragraphs long, no interviews with Bryan, no neighbor interviews, we don’t know much,, so you think if they had a hammer they would get out even though they have self defense on film? Lol your funny.

I am funny? You do not understand the charges against them. You have decided the charges are bullshit political nonsense. But the charges are supported by legs so to speak, of facts. Knock away those facts and the charges fall down.

In order for the Murder charge to go away the killing has to be self defense. You swear up and down it is. I say it is not. My reason is that you can not claim self defense when you are committing a Felony. It is why Armed Robbers do not get to claim self defense for killing the clerk.

The Felony that was committed was the Aggravated Assault. The Aggravated Assault statute makes it a felony to confront anyone while holding a weapon. Your intent matters here. But what matters most is the situation. The Prosecutor knows and so does the judge that while it is illegal to hold someone for police at gunpoint getting a conviction is a little harder.

This is the next leg. The only way to avoid the Aggravated Assault felony is if the person you were stopping committed a crime. For Citizens Arrest the person had to commit a crime. Not five years ago. Not five days ago. Not even an hour ago. But right then and there. Burglary right then and there would be a crime. It would be petty theft since the hammer is not worth more than $500 in all honesty.

But it would weaken the leg of the Aggravated Assault. Not remove it. Weaken it. That in turn would weaken the leg of the Murder charge. Agains not remove it. But weaken it enough to at least justify bail.

Now it may be six months or a year before the trial. No lawyer is going to leave his client in jail for six months much less a year if he can get them out. In this case three lawyers would have to be in agreement that not only their client but all three men need to stay in jail for that whole time.

Each man has his own lawyer. I read that in two of the news articles posted on the many threads. So three lawyers have to agree that the best thing to do is keep their clients in jail. That I have a hard time believing. That is especially hard considering one of the three men claims not to have been involved at all. Just following hoping for a picture of the “suspect”. His lawyer would be talking to the Prosecutor and trying to explain it. Especially since your assertion is that it is far better for the man to sit in jail for months or even a year before trial?

The problem for you is that you do not understand how the chain of events are viewed. You hop around one to another. But it was a sequence of events. Anything that weakens that chain is good for the defense. It could create the reasonable doubt needed for the Not Guilty verdict. But that chain is so strong right now the Judge has denied bail for all three. So weakening that chain a little gets the men bail. Breaking it could get the charges dismissed.

But three lawyers are not doing that. Now. Put yourself in the McMichaels shoes. They are starting their third week in jail. Bad food. Locked in a cell all day because it is too dangerous to put them in General Population. Seeing their families for a few minutes every week. Probably through glass. Not allowed to hold hands. They agree with this idea of sitting in jail until the trial which could be a year from now? Or longer if there is another court shut down due to COVID round two this fall?

They were committing no felony ....that is just a figment of your imagination.

Silly question. But if the house was open and under construction how was it breaking and entering?

In Georgia any dwelling that is unoccupied, occupied or vacant, you can’t enter with the intent to steal, but doesn’t matter, it was Suspicious activity, it was ongoing Travis confronted Arbery previously, The owner put a camera in because people were breaking in. If you look at the video there is some really nice equipment inside the property

and you’ve already been told this.

And English the owner said nothing was stolen. So intent to steal is a stretch. And you can’t break and enter a building that is not closed. At most. Trespassing. And only under specific circumstances that were not met.

So as you have been told this. Why do you continue to pretend otherwise?

The house had doors and windows on it bro, it had expensive equipment inside. He had a camera to catch ppl breaking in, it had electricity.. this is a dwelling.

and it doesn’t matter they followed him to stop him from breaking in, and English was the owner NOT THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERs, we don’t have a statement from the construction workers saying their tools weren’t stolen.

This is a self defense case.. you don’t like them
Following the criminal!! TO BAD! I don’t care about your feelingsView attachment 340965hugE.. NO TRESPASSING! Sign

Here is the problem with your version of events. If they had a dropped hammer along the road that you claimed he had at one time. Or if they had statements that there was property missing the Defense Attorney could probably get the charges dropped by filing a motion with the judge. He would certainly cause enough doubt to get the McMichaels out on bail. But neither has happened.

So the lawyer is not serving his clients by ending this as quickly as possible. Instead drawing it out while they are in jail as long as possible?

When did the sign go up? Because I don’t remember seeing it in the neighbors video or any pictures even from the supporters.

We already went over this,, The media has sensationalize this we have a video of a man using self-defense it was a justifiable homicide and they’re in jail right now.. what evidence could be better than that? It’s going to trial.

But if all this evidence exists. Despite the fact it is not reported on the news. Then the lawyer could get the charges dropped tomorrow. He could have had them dropped last week and the McMichaels could have spent Memorial Day with the traditional BBQ sucking on a beer.

Did you see the police report? It was 4 paragraphs long, no interviews with Bryan, no neighbor interviews, we don’t know much,, so you think if they had a hammer they would get out even though they have self defense on film? Lol your funny.

I am funny? You do not understand the charges against them. You have decided the charges are bullshit political nonsense. But the charges are supported by legs so to speak, of facts. Knock away those facts and the charges fall down.

In order for the Murder charge to go away the killing has to be self defense. You swear up and down it is. I say it is not. My reason is that you can not claim self defense when you are committing a Felony. It is why Armed Robbers do not get to claim self defense for killing the clerk.

The Felony that was committed was the Aggravated Assault. The Aggravated Assault statute makes it a felony to confront anyone while holding a weapon. Your intent matters here. But what matters most is the situation. The Prosecutor knows and so does the judge that while it is illegal to hold someone for police at gunpoint getting a conviction is a little harder.

This is the next leg. The only way to avoid the Aggravated Assault felony is if the person you were stopping committed a crime. For Citizens Arrest the person had to commit a crime. Not five years ago. Not five days ago. Not even an hour ago. But right then and there. Burglary right then and there would be a crime. It would be petty theft since the hammer is not worth more than $500 in all honesty.

But it would weaken the leg of the Aggravated Assault. Not remove it. Weaken it. That in turn would weaken the leg of the Murder charge. Agains not remove it. But weaken it enough to at least justify bail.

Now it may be six months or a year before the trial. No lawyer is going to leave his client in jail for six months much less a year if he can get them out. In this case three lawyers would have to be in agreement that not only their client but all three men need to stay in jail for that whole time.

Each man has his own lawyer. I read that in two of the news articles posted on the many threads. So three lawyers have to agree that the best thing to do is keep their clients in jail. That I have a hard time believing. That is especially hard considering one of the three men claims not to have been involved at all. Just following hoping for a picture of the “suspect”. His lawyer would be talking to the Prosecutor and trying to explain it. Especially since your assertion is that it is far better for the man to sit in jail for months or even a year before trial?

The problem for you is that you do not understand how the chain of events are viewed. You hop around one to another. But it was a sequence of events. Anything that weakens that chain is good for the defense. It could create the reasonable doubt needed for the Not Guilty verdict. But that chain is so strong right now the Judge has denied bail for all three. So weakening that chain a little gets the men bail. Breaking it could get the charges dismissed.

But three lawyers are not doing that. Now. Put yourself in the McMichaels shoes. They are starting their third week in jail. Bad food. Locked in a cell all day because it is too dangerous to put them in General Population. Seeing their families for a few minutes every week. Probably through glass. Not allowed to hold hands. They agree with this idea of sitting in jail until the trial which could be a year from now? Or longer if there is another court shut down due to COVID round two this fall?

What bullshit you mouth. You some kinda niggha girl? Cuz you real stoooopid........The McMichaels did not committ aggravated assault or any other crime. That is a figment of your imagination.

Georgia law on Aggravated Assault

Georgia Law on Aggravated asault
Universal Citation: GA Code § 16-5-21 (2017)

• (a) A person commits the offense of aggravated assault when he or she assaults:
  • (1) With intent to murder, to rape, or to rob;
  • (2) With a deadly weapon or with any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury;
  • (3) With any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in strangulation; or
  • (4) A person or persons without legal justification by discharging a firearm from within a motor vehicle toward a person or persons.

The McMichaels did not as in had no intent to murder, rape or rob anyone. So your bullshlit does not fly.

Nor did they hold anyone at gunpoint....look here jackass, you do not get to make up the facts of the case. The facts of the case do not jive with your imagination of what happened.

Were the McMichaels intent on detaining AA? Yes. Was that detainment legal? No. So the attempt to illegally detain AA means that they were armed, and committing a felony. Illegal Imprisonment. That means they were committing Aggravated Assault. The resulting death, as it occured during the commission of a Felony, two actually, is murder.

It is a chain, and each link depends on the one before.

The McMichaels did not detain anyone. You claim to have watched the video..did you see anyone detained? Only in your deluded mind that has been duped by the media.

What I see and any sane person sees when they watch the complete video is dat colored boy running down the street with no handcuffs on, no noose around his neck, no sack over his head or nuttin like dat. What in the hell do you think detain means?

"In criminal law, detain means to hold a person in custody, often for purposes of questioning. A law enforcement officer needs to have a reasonable suspicion of unlawful activity to detain a person. Reasonable suspicion is less than the probable cause needed to arrest a person. The reasonableness of the length of time of detention will depend on the circumstances in each case. "

According to their statement they shouted “Stop, stop. We want to talk to you.” And AA did not stop. They then blocked the road with their truck, and Travis got out with his shotgun.

Now, what was he doing there if not attempting to stop AA? Birdwatching?

How could the suspect have been blocked? He jogged right around the truck with no problem. You letting that movie playing in your head mislead you again.

Not even to mention Travis was out of the truck with his shotgun long before the suspect ran up to them.

As has been pointed out before they were merely keeping the suspect under observation and waiting for the police to arrive. Greg constantly kept the police informed of what was going on.

And Travis keeping him under observation charged to cross over to the passenger side when AA changed course. Why? He couldn’t see him? His Father in the truck couldn’t?

We are being honest here. Admit it. Travis was going around the truck to intercept and detain AA. Everyone knows it.

Obviously you have not watched the real video. Maybe you watched the 'edited' version put out by the media.

In the video you can clearly see the suspect jogging up to the truck, going to the right to go around the truck which was easy to do and then he quickly veers to the left to attack Travis standing in the middle of the road.

In the video you can see the suspect running to the left in front of the truck in order to conduct a surprise attack. Which sounds insane but wait he was insane...still yet he almost pulled it off. Travis was taken by surprise but fortunately was able to keep a hold on his weapon. He was a strong guy otherwise the mental case would have taken his gun and most likely used against him and his father.

I watched the video. I have watched so often it has surpassed the Princess Bride on my play count.

The facts are that the McMichaels set off in pursuit. They had no right to. But they did it. They attempted to detain AA. If they had been successful they would still have been arrested. They committed Felonies. The story does not start with the Video. It ends there. It is like arguing that the car ended up in the river because it left the road. Well yes. But why did it leave the road? You are arguing that the events before the video are irrelevant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

You let your extreme bias block your ability to understand what really happened. Anyone can 'pursue' anyone that is not illegal. You can chase, you can follow...not illegal for anyone police or not.

The McMichaels had every right to pursue the suspect. Greg McMichaels had been practically deputized by the police as the man oveseeing the problem that the neighborhood had with tresspassing and burglary.

They made no effort to detain the suspect. Again just a figment of your imagination. Greg McMichaels had decades of law enforcement under his belt, he knew how to make an arrest. If he wanted to arrest the defendant he would have done so.

Yes, all the garbage that we see argued about constantly on here by you and others is irrelevant.

This case boils down to the fact that Travis was forced to use lethal force to defend his life.

Now you may want do and you do contend that the suspect did not attack Travis but the video....the real one....not the edited one put out by the media....clearly shows the suspect attacking Trayvon that cannot be disputed. It is clearly visible on the internet video. Can you imagine how much clearer it will be in the courtroom with all the enhancements they can use to display it, slow motion, frame by frame.
The jury will have no problem seeing that the suspect attacked Travis MacMichaels. Case closed.

Im just wondering where your seeing the things your describing? What is a man to do when he is physically attacked by another man

Arbery was a pretty skinny guy. Maybe 160 soaking wet? McMichael looks like he tips in around the mid-200's.

If his intent was for the police to get involved, McMichael should've grabbed him, thrown him to the ground, and held him there. But that's not what he wanted to do at all. He wanted to kill a black man, and it just turned out to be Arbery's unlucky day...

If he wanted to kill a black man, why did he call the cops and stay on the phone with them before killing the black man? Your logic is fucking retarded. Arent you embarrassed?

Not as embarrassed as you should be.

Travis McMichael wasn't on the phone. Greg McMichael was.

Your problem isn't that your logic is retarded. Your problem is that you're retarded.

Dumbass...

 

[Jitss617]

Im just wondering where your seeing the things your describing? What is a man to do when he is physically attacked by another man

Arbery was a pretty skinny guy. Maybe 160 soaking wet? McMichael looks like he tips in around the mid-200's.

If his intent was for the police to get involved, McMichael should've grabbed him, thrown him to the ground, and held him there. But that's not what he wanted to do at all. He wanted to kill a black man, and it just turned out to be Arbery's unlucky day...

If he wanted to kill him
Why let him
Get close to grab his gun?

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Im just wondering where your seeing the things your describing? What is a man to do when he is physically attacked by another man

Arbery was a pretty skinny guy. Maybe 160 soaking wet? McMichael looks like he tips in around the mid-200's.

If his intent was for the police to get involved, McMichael should've grabbed him, thrown him to the ground, and held him there. But that's not what he wanted to do at all. He wanted to kill a black man, and it just turned out to be Arbery's unlucky day...

If he wanted to kill a black man, why did he call the cops and stay on the phone with them before killing the black man? Your logic is fucking retarded. Arent you embarrassed?

Anyone who has a weapon and is being attacked by a suspect trying to get the weapons would be a fool not use the weapon. How many times have we heard of people having their weapons taken from them and used against them. Not uncommon at all. It even hapens to police though they are well trained not to let it happen.

The reality is that sometimes suspects manage to get the upper hand and kill a cop or some innocent person many times because the cop let the suspect get too close.

In this incident the suspect who was already running at a good clip merely had to veer left for a very short distance to initiate a surprise attack. The suspect could easily have been successful if Travis had not been able to take a punch and still keep a hold on his weapon and not so passive he was afraid to use it. Quite surprising how many people will actually refuse to shoot their weapons in these cases. It happens even in the military.
Some guys simply refuse to fire even when the enemy is charging them. In Vietnam the guys had a solution for that. When a new guy came in they would take him out and have him fire into a dead v.c. body. That enabled him to overcome his reluctance to fire at another human.

 

[Faun]

64#1279 reply to 64#1278

then aggravated assault.

the white men committed the aggravated assault when they tried to detain an unarmed man who was jogging while black.

the jogger was fired upon first on the right side of the road and in front of the Truck as he was trying to get by.

What happens after that first shot is legally on the white men committing aggravated assault that led to their victim’s death.

^^ Notice how this moron just ignores the fact that homeboy wasn’t jogging at all to begin with. Video shows him WALKING up to the house under construction, stops, looks around, then RUNS up the driveway into the house.

He didn’t start running down the steeet until he saw neighbors calling the police as well as neighbors yelling at him saying they are calling the cops. That’s not “jogging”, it’s fleeing the scene of a crime.

Wrong Bryan was chasing Arbery with his car as two armed men,the McMichaels, waited for him. What you see isn’t Arbery fleeing a crime scene because no crime scene existed. Evidence of nothing being stolen was caught by Mr English’s home security camera. The police said Arbery was unarmed and English said Arbery didn’t steal anything. What did get said according to the police was McMichaels admission that Bryan was helping them catch Arbery.

Let’s recap

No crime was committed

Arbery was unarmed

Arbery was being chased by Bryan in his car while the McMichaels waited in the road with guns leaving Arbery boxed in. That’s Bryan’s felony charge.

Anything at this point that Arbery did was SELF DEFENSE.


If convicted the McMichaels and Bryan could get the death penalty. This is no joke.

How many times do you morons need to be told, NOTHING needed to be taken at the house to make it a crime. Georgia law states that just being in a dwelling without permission with the intent to commit a crime is burglary. He looked around to make sure he wasn’t going to be seen before running into the house, because he knew he was going to break the law. That is on video.

Prove intent...

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Im just wondering where your seeing the things your describing? What is a man to do when he is physically attacked by another man

Arbery was a pretty skinny guy. Maybe 160 soaking wet? McMichael looks like he tips in around the mid-200's.

If his intent was for the police to get involved, McMichael should've grabbed him, thrown him to the ground, and held him there. But that's not what he wanted to do at all. He wanted to kill a black man, and it just turned out to be Arbery's unlucky day...

If he wanted to kill him
Why let him
Get close to grab his gun?

Exactly.....if he had planned to committ murder he would never have let the suspect get that close. He would have fired as soon as the guy ran in front of the truck and at that close distance with a shotgun loaded with buckshot ...there would have been no need to fire 3 rounds.

Some folks just have no common sense.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

64#1279 reply to 64#1278

then aggravated assault.

the white men committed the aggravated assault when they tried to detain an unarmed man who was jogging while black.

the jogger was fired upon first on the right side of the road and in front of the Truck as he was trying to get by.

What happens after that first shot is legally on the white men committing aggravated assault that led to their victim’s death.

^^ Notice how this moron just ignores the fact that homeboy wasn’t jogging at all to begin with. Video shows him WALKING up to the house under construction, stops, looks around, then RUNS up the driveway into the house.

He didn’t start running down the steeet until he saw neighbors calling the police as well as neighbors yelling at him saying they are calling the cops. That’s not “jogging”, it’s fleeing the scene of a crime.

Wrong Bryan was chasing Arbery with his car as two armed men,the McMichaels, waited for him. What you see isn’t Arbery fleeing a crime scene because no crime scene existed. Evidence of nothing being stolen was caught by Mr English’s home security camera. The police said Arbery was unarmed and English said Arbery didn’t steal anything. What did get said according to the police was McMichaels admission that Bryan was helping them catch Arbery.

Let’s recap

No crime was committed

Arbery was unarmed

Arbery was being chased by Bryan in his car while the McMichaels waited in the road with guns leaving Arbery boxed in. That’s Bryan’s felony charge.

Anything at this point that Arbery did was SELF DEFENSE.


If convicted the McMichaels and Bryan could get the death penalty. This is no joke.

How many times do you morons need to be told, NOTHING needed to be taken at the house to make it a crime. Georgia law states that just being in a dwelling without permission with the intent to commit a crime is burglary. He looked around to make sure he wasn’t going to be seen before running into the house, because he knew he was going to break the law. That is on video.

Prove intent...

With all the videos showing him visiting that house day and night, I do not think the jury will have any problem seeing he was up to no good as in looking for something to steal. That is what thieves do...but the liberals claim...oh he was just looking for a drink of water....he would have known from all his previous visits there was no water there.

And yes....it can be clearly seen on the video how he looks around to see if the coast is clear before he goes into the house.

 

[Faun]

Wrong again idiot. According to Georgia Law, it is irrelevant if the structure is inhabited at the time of burglary.

The DA would have to prove “intent to steal” by a young man in broad daylight, in shorts and running shoes and no vehicle to haul away the booty. Not even a backpack.

Video of him walking, stopping, looking around to not be seen, and then running up the driveway proves intent to commit a crime. He was trespassing, period. In Georgia it could easily be charged as felony burglary. Your hero was on probation, having once taken a firearm to a school to shoot people with.

None of that is evidence of intent. He had no ability at that time to rob the house under construction.

 

[Faun]

64#1279 reply to 64#1278

then aggravated assault.

the white men committed the aggravated assault when they tried to detain an unarmed man who was jogging while black.

the jogger was fired upon first on the right side of the road and in front of the Truck as he was trying to get by.

What happens after that first shot is legally on the white men committing aggravated assault that led to their victim’s death.

^^ Notice how this moron just ignores the fact that homeboy wasn’t jogging at all to begin with. Video shows him WALKING up to the house under construction, stops, looks around, then RUNS up the driveway into the house.

He didn’t start running down the steeet until he saw neighbors calling the police as well as neighbors yelling at him saying they are calling the cops. That’s not “jogging”, it’s fleeing the scene of a crime.

Wrong Bryan was chasing Arbery with his car as two armed men,the McMichaels, waited for him. What you see isn’t Arbery fleeing a crime scene because no crime scene existed. Evidence of nothing being stolen was caught by Mr English’s home security camera. The police said Arbery was unarmed and English said Arbery didn’t steal anything. What did get said according to the police was McMichaels admission that Bryan was helping them catch Arbery.

Let’s recap

No crime was committed

Arbery was unarmed

Arbery was being chased by Bryan in his car while the McMichaels waited in the road with guns leaving Arbery boxed in. That’s Bryan’s felony charge.

Anything at this point that Arbery did was SELF DEFENSE.


If convicted the McMichaels and Bryan could get the death penalty. This is no joke.

How many times do you morons need to be told, NOTHING needed to be taken at the house to make it a crime. Georgia law states that just being in a dwelling without permission with the intent to commit a crime is burglary. He looked around to make sure he wasn’t going to be seen before running into the house, because he knew he was going to break the law. That is on video.

Prove intent...

With all the videos showing him visiting that house day and night, I do not think the jury will have any problem seeing he was up to no good as in looking for something to steal. That is what thieves do...but the liberals claim...oh he was just looking for a drink of water....he would have known from all his previous visits there was no water there.

And yes....it can be clearly seen on the video how he looks around to see if the coast is clear before he goes into the house.

How many times was he in that house?

 

[Godboy]

Wrong again idiot. According to Georgia Law, it is irrelevant if the structure is inhabited at the time of burglary.

The DA would have to prove “intent to steal” by a young man in broad daylight, in shorts and running shoes and no vehicle to haul away the booty. Not even a backpack.

Video of him walking, stopping, looking around to not be seen, and then running up the driveway proves intent to commit a crime. He was trespassing, period. In Georgia it could easily be charged as felony burglary. Your hero was on probation, having once taken a firearm to a school to shoot people with.

None of that is evidence of intent. He had no ability at that time to rob the house under construction.

No ability? Did he lose control of his hands or something?

 

[Godboy]

64#1279 reply to 64#1278

then aggravated assault.

the white men committed the aggravated assault when they tried to detain an unarmed man who was jogging while black.

the jogger was fired upon first on the right side of the road and in front of the Truck as he was trying to get by.

What happens after that first shot is legally on the white men committing aggravated assault that led to their victim’s death.

^^ Notice how this moron just ignores the fact that homeboy wasn’t jogging at all to begin with. Video shows him WALKING up to the house under construction, stops, looks around, then RUNS up the driveway into the house.

He didn’t start running down the steeet until he saw neighbors calling the police as well as neighbors yelling at him saying they are calling the cops. That’s not “jogging”, it’s fleeing the scene of a crime.

Wrong Bryan was chasing Arbery with his car as two armed men,the McMichaels, waited for him. What you see isn’t Arbery fleeing a crime scene because no crime scene existed. Evidence of nothing being stolen was caught by Mr English’s home security camera. The police said Arbery was unarmed and English said Arbery didn’t steal anything. What did get said according to the police was McMichaels admission that Bryan was helping them catch Arbery.

Let’s recap

No crime was committed

Arbery was unarmed

Arbery was being chased by Bryan in his car while the McMichaels waited in the road with guns leaving Arbery boxed in. That’s Bryan’s felony charge.

Anything at this point that Arbery did was SELF DEFENSE.


If convicted the McMichaels and Bryan could get the death penalty. This is no joke.

How many times do you morons need to be told, NOTHING needed to be taken at the house to make it a crime. Georgia law states that just being in a dwelling without permission with the intent to commit a crime is burglary. He looked around to make sure he wasn’t going to be seen before running into the house, because he knew he was going to break the law. That is on video.

Prove intent...

With all the videos showing him visiting that house day and night, I do not think the jury will have any problem seeing he was up to no good as in looking for something to steal. That is what thieves do...but the liberals claim...oh he was just looking for a drink of water....he would have known from all his previous visits there was no water there.

And yes....it can be clearly seen on the video how he looks around to see if the coast is clear before he goes into the house.

How many times was he in that house?

Its hard to say. The cameras were only in there for a few months.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Of course you can.

The point is you do not have to stop and talk to a man with a shotgun who is a stranger and is ordering you to stop and talk to him with a shotgun and he’s got another guy right close by with a 357 magnum as backup.

 

[Canon Shooter]

With all the videos showing him visiting that house day and night, I do not think the jury will have any problem seeing he was up to no good as in looking for something to steal. That is what thieves do...but the liberals claim...oh he was just looking for a drink of water....he would have known from all his previous visits there was no water there.

And yes....it can be clearly seen on the video how he looks around to see if the coast is clear before he goes into the house.

See, this is why you're an idiot.

The jury isn't going to be tasked with determining any level of guilt or innocence of Arbery. They're going to be tasked with determining the guilt of the McMichael boys.

Nothing Arbery did in that house justifies what Travis McMichael did. Was he looking for something to steal? Let's assume he was. That is separate and apart from the actions taken by McMichael.

Travis McMichael will be lucky if he escapes the death penalty...

 

[Faun]

and I seriously doubt any police officer told these two idiots to stop him by shooting him.

If he had not attacked the man holding the shotgun arbrey would be alive today

If Mc Michaels had minded their own business Arbery would be alive today.

If the McMichaels had approached Arbery like a normal human being and simply asked what he was doing Arbery would be alive today.

Had the McMichaels left Arbery alone and let the cops do their job, Arbery would be alive today.

If the McMichaels hadn’t chased Arbery maybe Arbery would be alive today.


If two white McMichaels had treated Arbery like a white man he’d be alive today.


But the McMichaels didn’t do that. They saw a black man checking out the construction of a house. Something BTW other people in the neighborhood had also done both white and black. It was caught on the property owner’s camera. THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS AWARE OF TRESPASSERS. It was his job to defend and secure his own property not the McMichaels. HE CHOSE NOT TO! Instead he installed the camera. The McMichaels stuck their nose where it didn’t belong. All the should have done is call the police and let them handle it. Instead they chased and harassed Arbery for no reason. The man didn’t take anything. For all the McMichaels knew Arbery was a friend of the owner checking on the property for him. Something people do all the time. But the McMichaels didn’t care about any of that. Instead they chased and killed an innocent man. The police said Arbery had no stolen property on him. The man was just jogging when two neighborhood bullies stalked him and shot him. Even the video shows the McMichaels waiting for Arbery, truck door open as an intimidation tactic or perhaps a challenge to bait the young man. The McMichaels could have taken a picture for police. They could have followed him at a distance until the police arrived. There were 1000 better ways to deal with this THEN KILLING HIM. I hope they rot in jail. They gave the Arbery family a much harsher sentence because they will never see their loved one again.

You will also note the charge is murder and not manslaughter. Something I was surprised at because the lesser charge manslaughter would be easier to prove. I’m not sure if the police are trying to get the McMichaels acquitted by making the prosecution prove a higher charge or if there’s more proof we don’t know about.
Guess we wait and see. Hopefully the aggravated assault charge will stick and the stupid bastards will get some jail time.

The only thing I blame McMicheals for based on evidence so far was getting out of the truck

they should have followed arbrey till the cops showed up to question him

but arbrey was a naturally angry and aggressive person and its likely arbrey attacked the son who was holding the shotgun

maybe new evidence will change that but so far thats how I see it

I agree that McMichael shouldn’t have gotten out of the truck. The problem is he did and now Arbery is dead. The McMichaels instigated the entire situation. But for the actions of the McMichaels, Arbery would be alive today. The McMichaels now have to pay for that action and poor judgement. They should have let the police handle it.

They will no doubt not be found guilty of murder because the reality is they should have been charged with manslaughter unless the cops know something we don’t. I think the only charge they will be found guilty of is aggravated assault.

If Arbery did not attack a man with a shotgun, he would be alive today. In prison, but alive.

In prison for what? Trespass? And who would press charges? Mr. English the owner? He didn’t even call the police. No, Mr Arbery would certainly not be in prison for anything related to this case. The police said he didn’t steal anything. No official in their right mind would send someone to prison/jail for trespass and definitely not during a pandemic. You’re delusional.

The intent to steal is a felony, we see him with a hammer, so they had a right to stop but didn’t

LOLOL

Liar, you do not see him with a hammer since there was no hammer.

You couldn't find a single news article stating there was a hammer. No one but racists like you on forums like this are even claiming there was a hammer.

Gregory McMichael, standing in the bed of his pickup truck and on the phone with 911 did not say Arbery was holding a hammer or that Arbery disposed of a hammer.

Travis McMichael who defense would be greatly bolstered if Arbery had a hammer did not say there was a hammer.

The police did not report a hammer was found.

Neither Gregory McMichael nor Travis McMichael told police Arbery had a hammer.

Bryan, the guy in the car following Arbery has said nothing about a hammer.

Larry English, the owner of the home under construction said no hammer was taken. And he had videos of Arbery inside the structure where he would have seen Arbery taking a hammer had he actually done so.

In the video, the stick on the ground you idiotically call a hammer is already on the ground before Arbery gets there; and Arbery is not seen on the video either holding a hammer or throwing a hammer.

There were other witnesses who were out there, none of who said anything about a hammer.

If truth and reality were on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like ya do.

The police report was not well put together, there was def a hammer AA stole, I have pics of it

Really! Maybe I should contact authorities and let them know. I’m sure they’d be interested that you are withholding evidence in a murder case.

It’s in the video, and from what I hear the new report includes the stolen hammer

it wasn’t found at the crime scene so it can’t be in the video. Nevertheless
Proof or it didn’t happen.

I saw a screen shot from the video of a hammer that he dropped. I cant guarantee its authenticity, but it look legit. Those pics are in this thread.

LOLOL

There is no hammer, ya moron.

I posted a video in rebuttal to that nonsense showing that object on the ground was already there.

Greg McMichael on the phone with 911 says nothing about a hammer.

Neither McMichael told the police about a hammer.

Nothing in the police report indicated a hammer was at or near the crime scene.

The homeowner has videos where he watched Arbery checking out his house and said nothing was taken.

Bryan was following Arbery in his car and said nothing about a hammer.

It makes no sense for Arbery to drop a hammer, if he had one, after being chased for 4 minutes and while he's approaching the McMichael's road block.

The only mention of a hammer in the news is that there wasn't one but that far rightwingers and neo-nazi's are claiming there was a hammer (and that Arbery was wearing Timberland boots and not sneakers).

I dont know if any of what you say is true, just like i said i couldnt verify the screen shots authenticity. YOU are the moron for thinking you KNOW the truth.

LOL

I already know you don't know shit. What was your point of reiterating that?

Neither of us KNOW the truth. All we have are news articles with tiny bits of information that we cant thoroughly verify, and the media is often wrong about these facts. YOU are the fucking moron for thinking you know exactly what happened.

Do you not understand how fucking dumb you are?

LOLOL

Drools the idiot who claims Arbery had a hammer.

 

[Godboy]

and I seriously doubt any police officer told these two idiots to stop him by shooting him.

If he had not attacked the man holding the shotgun arbrey would be alive today

If Mc Michaels had minded their own business Arbery would be alive today.

If the McMichaels had approached Arbery like a normal human being and simply asked what he was doing Arbery would be alive today.

Had the McMichaels left Arbery alone and let the cops do their job, Arbery would be alive today.

If the McMichaels hadn’t chased Arbery maybe Arbery would be alive today.


If two white McMichaels had treated Arbery like a white man he’d be alive today.


But the McMichaels didn’t do that. They saw a black man checking out the construction of a house. Something BTW other people in the neighborhood had also done both white and black. It was caught on the property owner’s camera. THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS AWARE OF TRESPASSERS. It was his job to defend and secure his own property not the McMichaels. HE CHOSE NOT TO! Instead he installed the camera. The McMichaels stuck their nose where it didn’t belong. All the should have done is call the police and let them handle it. Instead they chased and harassed Arbery for no reason. The man didn’t take anything. For all the McMichaels knew Arbery was a friend of the owner checking on the property for him. Something people do all the time. But the McMichaels didn’t care about any of that. Instead they chased and killed an innocent man. The police said Arbery had no stolen property on him. The man was just jogging when two neighborhood bullies stalked him and shot him. Even the video shows the McMichaels waiting for Arbery, truck door open as an intimidation tactic or perhaps a challenge to bait the young man. The McMichaels could have taken a picture for police. They could have followed him at a distance until the police arrived. There were 1000 better ways to deal with this THEN KILLING HIM. I hope they rot in jail. They gave the Arbery family a much harsher sentence because they will never see their loved one again.

You will also note the charge is murder and not manslaughter. Something I was surprised at because the lesser charge manslaughter would be easier to prove. I’m not sure if the police are trying to get the McMichaels acquitted by making the prosecution prove a higher charge or if there’s more proof we don’t know about.
Guess we wait and see. Hopefully the aggravated assault charge will stick and the stupid bastards will get some jail time.

The only thing I blame McMicheals for based on evidence so far was getting out of the truck

they should have followed arbrey till the cops showed up to question him

but arbrey was a naturally angry and aggressive person and its likely arbrey attacked the son who was holding the shotgun

maybe new evidence will change that but so far thats how I see it

I agree that McMichael shouldn’t have gotten out of the truck. The problem is he did and now Arbery is dead. The McMichaels instigated the entire situation. But for the actions of the McMichaels, Arbery would be alive today. The McMichaels now have to pay for that action and poor judgement. They should have let the police handle it.

They will no doubt not be found guilty of murder because the reality is they should have been charged with manslaughter unless the cops know something we don’t. I think the only charge they will be found guilty of is aggravated assault.

If Arbery did not attack a man with a shotgun, he would be alive today. In prison, but alive.

In prison for what? Trespass? And who would press charges? Mr. English the owner? He didn’t even call the police. No, Mr Arbery would certainly not be in prison for anything related to this case. The police said he didn’t steal anything. No official in their right mind would send someone to prison/jail for trespass and definitely not during a pandemic. You’re delusional.

The intent to steal is a felony, we see him with a hammer, so they had a right to stop but didn’t

LOLOL

Liar, you do not see him with a hammer since there was no hammer.

You couldn't find a single news article stating there was a hammer. No one but racists like you on forums like this are even claiming there was a hammer.

Gregory McMichael, standing in the bed of his pickup truck and on the phone with 911 did not say Arbery was holding a hammer or that Arbery disposed of a hammer.

Travis McMichael who defense would be greatly bolstered if Arbery had a hammer did not say there was a hammer.

The police did not report a hammer was found.

Neither Gregory McMichael nor Travis McMichael told police Arbery had a hammer.

Bryan, the guy in the car following Arbery has said nothing about a hammer.

Larry English, the owner of the home under construction said no hammer was taken. And he had videos of Arbery inside the structure where he would have seen Arbery taking a hammer had he actually done so.

In the video, the stick on the ground you idiotically call a hammer is already on the ground before Arbery gets there; and Arbery is not seen on the video either holding a hammer or throwing a hammer.

There were other witnesses who were out there, none of who said anything about a hammer.

If truth and reality were on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like ya do.

The police report was not well put together, there was def a hammer AA stole, I have pics of it

Really! Maybe I should contact authorities and let them know. I’m sure they’d be interested that you are withholding evidence in a murder case.

It’s in the video, and from what I hear the new report includes the stolen hammer

it wasn’t found at the crime scene so it can’t be in the video. Nevertheless
Proof or it didn’t happen.

I saw a screen shot from the video of a hammer that he dropped. I cant guarantee its authenticity, but it look legit. Those pics are in this thread.

LOLOL

There is no hammer, ya moron.

I posted a video in rebuttal to that nonsense showing that object on the ground was already there.

Greg McMichael on the phone with 911 says nothing about a hammer.

Neither McMichael told the police about a hammer.

Nothing in the police report indicated a hammer was at or near the crime scene.

The homeowner has videos where he watched Arbery checking out his house and said nothing was taken.

Bryan was following Arbery in his car and said nothing about a hammer.

It makes no sense for Arbery to drop a hammer, if he had one, after being chased for 4 minutes and while he's approaching the McMichael's road block.

The only mention of a hammer in the news is that there wasn't one but that far rightwingers and neo-nazi's are claiming there was a hammer (and that Arbery was wearing Timberland boots and not sneakers).

I dont know if any of what you say is true, just like i said i couldnt verify the screen shots authenticity. YOU are the moron for thinking you KNOW the truth.

LOL

I already know you don't know shit. What was your point of reiterating that?

Neither of us KNOW the truth. All we have are news articles with tiny bits of information that we cant thoroughly verify, and the media is often wrong about these facts. YOU are the fucking moron for thinking you know exactly what happened.

Do you not understand how fucking dumb you are?

LOLOL

Drools the idiot who claims Arbery had a hammer.

When did i claim that? This is what i said...

"I saw a screen shot from the video of a hammer that he dropped. I cant guarantee its authenticity, but it looked legit "

Are you ever NOT wrong?

 

[Faun]

Wrong again idiot. According to Georgia Law, it is irrelevant if the structure is inhabited at the time of burglary.

The DA would have to prove “intent to steal” by a young man in broad daylight, in shorts and running shoes and no vehicle to haul away the booty. Not even a backpack.

Video of him walking, stopping, looking around to not be seen, and then running up the driveway proves intent to commit a crime. He was trespassing, period. In Georgia it could easily be charged as felony burglary. Your hero was on probation, having once taken a firearm to a school to shoot people with.

None of that is evidence of intent. He had no ability at that time to rob the house under construction.

No ability? Did he lose control of his hands or something?

He lived between 1 - 2 miles away. What was he gonna run home carrying?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

He wasn’t “jogging”, so the entire premise is bullshit.

What evidence are you going to present in the court room to prove that Arbery was not jogging that afternoon. Are you going to use a Photoshopped photo to try and prove that Arbery was wearing work boots instead of running shoes?

 

[Godboy]

Wrong again idiot. According to Georgia Law, it is irrelevant if the structure is inhabited at the time of burglary.

The DA would have to prove “intent to steal” by a young man in broad daylight, in shorts and running shoes and no vehicle to haul away the booty. Not even a backpack.

Video of him walking, stopping, looking around to not be seen, and then running up the driveway proves intent to commit a crime. He was trespassing, period. In Georgia it could easily be charged as felony burglary. Your hero was on probation, having once taken a firearm to a school to shoot people with.

None of that is evidence of intent. He had no ability at that time to rob the house under construction.

No ability? Did he lose control of his hands or something?

He lived between 1 - 2 miles away. What was he gonna run home carrying?

If he wanted, certainly some tools, but i cant imagine he would do that in broad daylight. Instead, he scouted the place out. If something big and expensive was inside (like an air compressor or a big tool cabinet), he could come back at night with a truck to steal it.

 

[meaner gene]

He wasn’t “jogging”, so the entire premise is bullshit.

What evidence are you going to present in the court room to prove that Arbery was not jogging that afternoon. Are you going to use a Photoshopped photo to try and prove that Arbery was wearing work boots instead of running shoes?

Maybe they'll find footprints from Bruno Magli shoes they can link to him.