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I see little Christianity in the actions of the Republican Party.Yet, he did not expel her from forever having contact with him.You quoted Jesus out of contextI don't remember Christ telling people to use government force to make other people accept as legitimate certain "sinful" behaviors.I don't remember Christ saying to treat people differently when it came to ministry.
If you can cite an example, I will change my mind.
because He told the woman being stoned to “go and SIN no more.”
Ok.then it is ok to use government funding for abortion?If they get taxpayer funding they need to follow non discrimination laws. You don’t get to pick and choose what laws you want to follow, if you choose to take public funds.Are they getting taxpayer funding?What the Democrats have in store nationally.
Three Christian schools and a Christian network of pregnancy centers are suing Attorney General Mark Herring (D-Va.) in order to prevent Virginia from implementing two pro-LGBT laws that force “people of faith to adopt a particular government ideology under threat of punishment.” The two laws purport to prevent “discrimination” against LGBT people but, in reality, they force Christian ministries to choose between violating their sincerely held religious beliefs or paying hefty fines, as much as $100,000 per offense.
Virginia Forces Christian Ministries to Adopt 'Government Ideology' or Pay $100K
Every social security, medicare, food stamp, public housing, and Obama Phone user is getting tax payer funding.
Should we be able to dictate how every single person who gets money from the government, lives their lives?
Because if that's the standard, then I have a ton of rules I'd like to put in place.
The law is wrong. If you can take medicare, or any other funding, without following my demands about what you do with your life, then neither should any Christian organization.
On top of that, the right to free exercise of religion, is a fundamental aspect of this country. You don't get to demand how we follow our religious beliefs.
Now to be fair, I think we shouldn't have government funding anything. I would prefer a free-market capitalist system.
But if the government is going to hand out money, you don't get to give the money to people, and then after you give them money, say ok no you are required to do everything we want.
No, sorry, that's not how this works. The government is of the people, by the people, and religious people are part of that group.
And if you don't like it.... stuff it. I don't care. Tough. You don't get to be dictator.
Discrimination is not part of our American values. Discrimination against LGBTs is part of the "Christian values" only of certain varieties of the Christian faith. Not all. Nor are people of various religions entitled to more or superior rights to those to which other citizens are entitled, regardless of who they are. Every member of every religion must come to terms with how to observe the tenets of their faith and the requirements of the law simultaneously. There is no reason to allow anyone to transfer this burden onto other people. People forget that in cases such as these, LGBTs would bear the burden of a "government ideology," even though they are not responsible for what someone else believes.
Lots of words for forcing your beliefs on a religious organization despite their beliefs to the contrary.
Compromise is not possible with SJW morons like you, if it were we would all be better off.
How do you "compromise" when all it means is that everybody has to bow down to you? These shit-for-brains types are trying to force their beliefs on the rest of us. Sorry, we don't scapegoat a whole group of people or try to exclude them from general society just because some cults don't like them. LGBTs are NOT RESPONSIBLE for whatever beliefs someone else chooses to have. Beliefs are a choice. They should not become a government ideology. BTW: I'm proud to be an "SJW." It sure beats the alternative of being a warrior for social injustice.
How is forcing a church or religious school to hire say a secretary who lives a lifestyle that doesn't agree with said church or schools teachings making everyone "bow down"
This is the same bullshit as forcing the bakers to bake for Same sex weddings, it's not about fairness, it's about forced acceptance.
The force here is on the government, not on the school or church.
SJW's are today's fascists, really something to be proud of. You are just as bad as those Moral Majority assholes back in the 80's going after rock music.
Would you have the same response if someone refused to hire a Southern Baptist based on the chosen lifestyle of members of this "Christian" denomination, their love of discrimination, and their attacks on the rights of others, or refused to bake a cake for them?
I disagree with that. My business is my property. I can do with my property as I see fit. If I don't want to serve you because you wear yellow pants, you should not be able to force me to serve you.
Not if you want a business license. Everybody must follow the same rules, no exceptions, no matter what religion they are.
.Further, I don't see any evidence that Franklin Graham wants to "force" anyone to do anything.
He wants to force us all to accept discrimination against our fellows. He pretends to speak for the Supreme Being. He takes his "my way or the highway" approach out to the general public and seeks to misuse the law to force the rest of us to go along with his views. He even tries to take his message of hate-mongering and scapegoating to other countries. He's nothing but a cheap politician.
Now if you want to play act like you are married with someone that's the same sex, by all means do whatever you want.
It's not playing acting. We live under civil law, not sectarian law, and people are married if they go through the proper legal procedures and secure the proper documentation. To pretend otherwise is play acting. Some have civil weddings and some choose to be married by clergy who have the authority to officiate in a legal marriage; their choice.
"I never claimed that anyone has to be just like me." you followed that up with a litany of screaming and bitching about people who are not like you.
What "screaming and bitching" about people who are not like me did I do? What did I say that would constitute "screaming and bitching"?
The bottom line is, you can do what you want.... but you don't get to force those views on others. Meaning, that if I have a Christian Wedding services company, like wedding cakes, hosting venues, or any other such service.... Christian weddings can't involve same-sex marriages, because same sex marriage doesn't exist in Christianity. We believe G-d created marriage between a man and woman. Period.
Not up for debate.
You cannot say "Christian" without stating what denomination/sect you are in. There is plenty of disagreement among Christians on the matter of same-sex marriages. Some Christian congregations solemnize same-sex marriages and some don't. Just saying "Christian" doesn't cut it. Yes, it IS a matter up for debate, obviously.
Whether left-wingers personally believe that or not, doesn't matter. We believe that and left-wingers claim to be tolerant, so they should shut their mouths, follow what they claim to be, and tolerate people of different views.
If they can't do that, then at least they should admit they are bigots themselves, and that they have no interest in tolerance, and then they at least wouldn't be hypocrites.
Your reference to "left-wingers" switches the topic from Christianity to politics. Christians hold a variety of political opinions; the whole spectrum, but your reference to "we" apparently applies only to those who follow your particular sect and support right-wing politics. You are ordering Christians and those of all faiths who support their fellows regardless of sexual orientation or faith to "shut their mouths," as if no one else has a right to speak except you folks. No thank you. Tolerance applies to you, too. You cannot use your version of the Christian faith as a weapon to attack the rights of people who are outside your congregation/denomination without opposition. I don't know what your version of "tolerance" of your "views" would be.
Not if you want a business license. Everybody must follow the same rules, no exceptions, no matter what religion they are.
Don't need a business license. I've run my own business. Short time for sure, but I have done it. You know how to start a business? You contact people and say "I'm willing to do X, for Y pay".
And quite frankly business licenses are actually evil, and used by bad politicians with political supporters, to allow rich people to keep poor people poor.
Seriously, what do you really think business licenses do? They protect the rich that can afford the time and money to get them, and keep the poor from becoming wealthy. That's it. It's always ironic to hear left-wingers claim they hate politicians propping up the rich, and then spin around and support every possible measure of propping up the rich.
It's not playing acting. We live under civil law, not sectarian law
Whoa whoa whoa.... you are talking to a Christian. I'm a Christian first, before anything. Jesus Christ is the one and only Lord of my life. I follow human laws, only in so far, as they don't conflict with the laws of G-d.
When you say "We", that "We" doesn't include me.
I might wave the American flag, and stand for the national anthem, but that will only last until the flag and the nation, contradicts the laws of G-d. I'm a Christian first, even before I'm an America.
So I don't care what the laws says about myth of same-sex marriage. That doesn't matter to me. You can claim that until the end of my life, and far as I'm concerned, that isn't marriage. Never will be.
And I'll be more than happy to go to jail, for refusing to agree with same sex marriage. There is no "we". There are pagans, who believe whatever they want, and there are Christian who believe what G-d says.
If you want to tolerate different opinions, then practice what you preach. But if not, that doesn't change anything for me.
You cannot say "Christian" without stating what denomination/sect you are in. There is plenty of disagreement among Christians on the matter of same-sex marriages.
Not true. You can say Christian without stating what denomination, because I've been a Christian my whole life, and have never belonged to any denomination or sect.
Fun Fact: Denominations do not exist in Christian doctrine. If you want to read the Bible, and tell me where Baptists, or Methodists are listed, I'll gladly look up whatever reference you want.
Christianity is not based, or dependent on denominations. What is Christianity based on? The Bible. Without the Bible, there is no Christianity.
With that understanding, I don't care what any denomination says, or what disagreements there are. All I need to know, is what the Bible says.
Genesis 19:1–11 G-d rained down judgment on Sodom and Gomorrah, which were known for homosexuality.
Leviticus 18:22, 20:13 Condemns homosexuality.
1 Corinthians 6:9–10 and 1 Timothy 1:10 both list homosexuality with other evils like greed, thievery and so on.
Romans 1:26–27, talks about the penalty given for those who turn to homosexuality.
And I could list dozens of verses about what marriage is, which never describes it as between two women, or two men.
So it doesn't matter what disagreements people have. The Bible is clear. The Bible is the word of G-d. That's all there is to it.
Christians hold a variety of political opinions; the whole spectrum, but your reference to "we" apparently applies only to those who follow your particular sect and support right-wing politics.
Yes, I would agree with that.
Jim Gaffigan has a great joke (and he's not a Christian. He's a comedian.). The joke is he stands on stage saying "I'm a vegetarian. Any vegetarians here? Well I'm not a strict vegetarian.... I eat pork and beef, but not fish, because that's disgusting". You can look up his videos on youtube. Very funny.
But the point is.... are you vegetarian, because you said you are? If you eat beef and pork.... are you a vegetarian, because you said you were a vegetarian?
No. Not eating meat..... is a fundamental requirement of being a vegetarian.
Well.... similarly.... being a Christian isn't a pick your own meal buffet. You don't get to pick and choose what you believe. G-d did not send down a survey to find out from us, what we think he should do.
He's G-d. We're not.
So anyone who says "I'm a Christian, and the Bible is wrong about X".... no, the Bible isn't wrong, they are just not Christians.
Just like if you claim to be a vegetarian, and you are eating steak at Texas Roadhouse... no, Vegetarianism isn't wrong about eating steak... you are just not a Vegetarian.
So I agree with your statement above. Christians do not hold a variety of opinions. Those that deny what the Bible clearly says.... are simply not Christians. People do not define what Christianity is. G-d does. If you have a different opinion... that just means you are not Christian.
What did I say that would constitute "screaming and bitching"?
The "fucking busybody asshole" who want to force everyone to be just like them are people like frankie graham and, it seems, you.
You wrote that. Not me.
Christians have varying beliefs. You apparently believe that the bible was written by the Supreme Being and is inerrant and infallible. Not all Christians do, and even among the ones that do, disputes are constant about what this or that passage means. We don't know what criteria Constantine's committee used in choosing which writings to include and which to drop, anyway. Saul/Paul wrote the letters to the Romans and the Corinthians. The writers of Genesis and Leviticus are lost to history.
I don't see many people living according to Leviticus. The closest I can come are the ultra-orthodox Jews. Leviticus is full of animal sacrifices, declaring a woman who has given birth is somehow impure for a length of time, depending on the sex of her child, even though it is the father's contribution to the pregnancy that determines the sex of the child, leprosy, kosher rules, sex rules, and other tidbits like " 9:13 Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning," "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.," lots of folks who "shall be put to death," rules for slavery, and much more, with caution after caution that one must follow every rule "for I am the LORD your God," so no cherry-picking.
Then they are not Christian. The inerrant and infallibility of the Bible, is a core fundamental belief of Christianity. Without the Bible, then you are not Christian. It's impossible to be Christian, without the Bible.
No. It is not a "core fundamental belief of Christianity". There are differences in versions of the bible. There also are many other ancient writings in the Christian world, and many ended up on the cutting room floor. And what happened to the Gnostic Gospels (such as those of Mary of Magdala, Thomas, Judas), that have been discovered recently, for instance?
The whole point of the Bible, is that no person can live perfectly. That's why we need a savior. We are all a fallen people, that can't live up to the perfection of G-d. That's whole reason Jesus came to pay the price for sin, so that we can be made clean before G-d.
There is quite a long list of rules for you to follow. Vayikra (Leviticus): Full Text
So you basically live it, with a few slip-ups. Do you keep kosher? Are you up to date on your animal sacrifices? Love your neighbor? Work for justice? You are the one claiming that the bible is inerrant and infallible.
I see little Christianity in the actions of the Republican Party.Yet, he did not expel her from forever having contact with him.You quoted Jesus out of contextI don't remember Christ telling people to use government force to make other people accept as legitimate certain "sinful" behaviors.I don't remember Christ saying to treat people differently when it came to ministry.
If you can cite an example, I will change my mind.
because He told the woman being stoned to “go and SIN no more.”
/—-/ You only see what doesn’t fit your perverted agenda like killing babies and Gaye everything.I see little Christianity in the actions of the Republican Party.Yet, he did not expel her from forever having contact with him.You quoted Jesus out of contextI don't remember Christ telling people to use government force to make other people accept as legitimate certain "sinful" behaviors.I don't remember Christ saying to treat people differently when it came to ministry.
If you can cite an example, I will change my mind.
because He told the woman being stoned to “go and SIN no more.”
If memory serves, this Lazy Strata chick believes Christianity is embodied in the Beatitudes. The meek inherit the earth. The passivity that she and other liberal "Christians" preaches seems by design: to inject complacency into the church and dispirit American exceptionalism.Then they are not Christian. The inerrant and infallibility of the Bible, is a core fundamental belief of Christianity. Without the Bible, then you are not Christian. It's impossible to be Christian, without the Bible.
No. It is not a "core fundamental belief of Christianity". There are differences in versions of the bible. There also are many other ancient writings in the Christian world, and many ended up on the cutting room floor. And what happened to the Gnostic Gospels (such as those of Mary of Magdala, Thomas, Judas), that have been discovered recently, for instance?
The whole point of the Bible, is that no person can live perfectly. That's why we need a savior. We are all a fallen people, that can't live up to the perfection of G-d. That's whole reason Jesus came to pay the price for sin, so that we can be made clean before G-d.
There is quite a long list of rules for you to follow. Vayikra (Leviticus): Full Text
So you basically live it, with a few slip-ups. Do you keep kosher? Are you up to date on your animal sacrifices? Love your neighbor? Work for justice? You are the one claiming that the bible is inerrant and infallible.
Show of hands, everyone who wants to be lectured on the "real" way to practice their beliefs by a religiophobic hypocrite who champions "tolerance" by trying to control people's thoughts and beliefs.
If memory serves, this Lazy Strata chick believes Christianity is embodied in the Beatitudes. The meek inherit the earth. The passivity that she and other liberal "Christians" preaches seems by design: to inject complacency into the church and dispirit American exceptionalism.Then they are not Christian. The inerrant and infallibility of the Bible, is a core fundamental belief of Christianity. Without the Bible, then you are not Christian. It's impossible to be Christian, without the Bible.
No. It is not a "core fundamental belief of Christianity". There are differences in versions of the bible. There also are many other ancient writings in the Christian world, and many ended up on the cutting room floor. And what happened to the Gnostic Gospels (such as those of Mary of Magdala, Thomas, Judas), that have been discovered recently, for instance?
The whole point of the Bible, is that no person can live perfectly. That's why we need a savior. We are all a fallen people, that can't live up to the perfection of G-d. That's whole reason Jesus came to pay the price for sin, so that we can be made clean before G-d.
There is quite a long list of rules for you to follow. Vayikra (Leviticus): Full Text
So you basically live it, with a few slip-ups. Do you keep kosher? Are you up to date on your animal sacrifices? Love your neighbor? Work for justice? You are the one claiming that the bible is inerrant and infallible.
Show of hands, everyone who wants to be lectured on the "real" way to practice their beliefs by a religiophobic hypocrite who champions "tolerance" by trying to control people's thoughts and beliefs.
Discrimination is not part of our American values. Discrimination against LGBTs is part of the "Christian values" only of certain varieties of the Christian faith. Not all. Nor are people of various religions entitled to more or superior rights to those to which other citizens are entitled, regardless of who they are. Every member of every religion must come to terms with how to observe the tenets of their faith and the requirements of the law simultaneously. There is no reason to allow anyone to transfer this burden onto other people. People forget that in cases such as these, LGBTs would bear the burden of a "government ideology," even though they are not responsible for what someone else believes.
BS. "I don't like this, so that makes it Unamerican!" So very tired of this line from the left, a group of people who spend most of their time telling us how much America and anything American sucks and is evil. Oh, but now we're supposed to view you asshats as experts who can dictate "American values" to us?
America is about freedom, including the freedom to disagree with you, disapprove of you, and not want to associate with you. I suggest that it's high past time you grow the fuck up and stop whining to Daddy Government to make the other kids play with you.
Discrimination is not part of our American values. Discrimination against LGBTs is part of the "Christian values" only of certain varieties of the Christian faith. Not all. Nor are people of various religions entitled to more or superior rights to those to which other citizens are entitled, regardless of who they are. Every member of every religion must come to terms with how to observe the tenets of their faith and the requirements of the law simultaneously. There is no reason to allow anyone to transfer this burden onto other people. People forget that in cases such as these, LGBTs would bear the burden of a "government ideology," even though they are not responsible for what someone else believes.
BS. "I don't like this, so that makes it Unamerican!" So very tired of this line from the left, a group of people who spend most of their time telling us how much America and anything American sucks and is evil. Oh, but now we're supposed to view you asshats as experts who can dictate "American values" to us?
America is about freedom, including the freedom to disagree with you, disapprove of you, and not want to associate with you. I suggest that it's high past time you grow the fuck up and stop whining to Daddy Government to make the other kids play with you.
I want people to stop thinking government is there to force all of us, regardless of religion or lack thereof, not only to play with sectarian Christian fundies, but also to run our lives according to their ideology. If the fundies want to live in an isolationist society, let them build one. Anyone who wants to live in American society has the responsibility to juggle their respective faith beliefs with their participation in American society. Do not demand that others leave our society or demand that we exclude anyone or make them invisible. Work your way around it. This is what everybody else of every faith does.
I have known and have been blessed with many friends who are Black (mostly Christian), Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, and Buddhist, on first name basis, and LGBTs of all faiths, as well.. I would not trade their friendships for the world in diamonds and gold. There is nothing that you could ever say that would ever turn me against my friends.
Headed directly to the Supreme Court where VA will lose its stupid dumb ass.What the Democrats have in store nationally.
Three Christian schools and a Christian network of pregnancy centers are suing Attorney General Mark Herring (D-Va.) in order to prevent Virginia from implementing two pro-LGBT laws that force “people of faith to adopt a particular government ideology under threat of punishment.” The two laws purport to prevent “discrimination” against LGBT people but, in reality, they force Christian ministries to choose between violating their sincerely held religious beliefs or paying hefty fines, as much as $100,000 per offense.
Virginia Forces Christian Ministries to Adopt 'Government Ideology' or Pay $100K
Discrimination is not part of our American values. Discrimination against LGBTs is part of the "Christian values" only of certain varieties of the Christian faith. Not all. Nor are people of various religions entitled to more or superior rights to those to which other citizens are entitled, regardless of who they are. Every member of every religion must come to terms with how to observe the tenets of their faith and the requirements of the law simultaneously. There is no reason to allow anyone to transfer this burden onto other people. People forget that in cases such as these, LGBTs would bear the burden of a "government ideology," even though they are not responsible for what someone else believes.
BS. "I don't like this, so that makes it Unamerican!" So very tired of this line from the left, a group of people who spend most of their time telling us how much America and anything American sucks and is evil. Oh, but now we're supposed to view you asshats as experts who can dictate "American values" to us?
America is about freedom, including the freedom to disagree with you, disapprove of you, and not want to associate with you. I suggest that it's high past time you grow the fuck up and stop whining to Daddy Government to make the other kids play with you.
I want people to stop thinking government is there to force all of us, regardless of religion or lack thereof, not only to play with sectarian Christian fundies, but also to run our lives according to their ideology. If the fundies want to live in an isolationist society, let them build one. Anyone who wants to live in American society has the responsibility to juggle their respective faith beliefs with their participation in American society. Do not demand that others leave our society or demand that we exclude anyone or make them invisible. Work your way around it. This is what everybody else of every faith does.
I have known and have been blessed with many friends who are Black (mostly Christian), Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, and Buddhist, on first name basis, and LGBTs of all faiths, as well.. I would not trade their friendships for the world in diamonds and gold. There is nothing that you could ever say that would ever turn me against my friends.
No, what you want is for people to accept that government is there to force all of us, regardless of religion or lack thereof, to act and talk and think the way YOU want, and your method is what the leftist method always is: to ludicrously claim to be a "victim" of the crime YOU are trying to commit.
Spare me your longwinded diatribes attempting to justify your atheocracy because you're so "oppressed" by the knowledge that someone, somewhere, dislikes and disapproves of you and doesn't want to associate with you. The truth is, that's probably less about your weird sexual habits and more just about the fact that you're a putrid excuse for an organic lifeform.
No one's "forcing" anything on you, other than maybe their absence by way of avoiding you like the humanoid plague that you are.
What the Democrats have in store nationally.
Three Christian schools and a Christian network of pregnancy centers are suing Attorney General Mark Herring (D-Va.) in order to prevent Virginia from implementing two pro-LGBT laws that force “people of faith to adopt a particular government ideology under threat of punishment.” The two laws purport to prevent “discrimination” against LGBT people but, in reality, they force Christian ministries to choose between violating their sincerely held religious beliefs or paying hefty fines, as much as $100,000 per offense.
Virginia Forces Christian Ministries to Adopt 'Government Ideology' or Pay $100K
Discrimination is not part of our American values. Discrimination against LGBTs is part of the "Christian values" only of certain varieties of the Christian faith. Not all. Nor are people of various religions entitled to more or superior rights to those to which other citizens are entitled, regardless of who they are. Every member of every religion must come to terms with how to observe the tenets of their faith and the requirements of the law simultaneously. There is no reason to allow anyone to transfer this burden onto other people. People forget that in cases such as these, LGBTs would bear the burden of a "government ideology," even though they are not responsible for what someone else believes.
BS. "I don't like this, so that makes it Unamerican!" So very tired of this line from the left, a group of people who spend most of their time telling us how much America and anything American sucks and is evil. Oh, but now we're supposed to view you asshats as experts who can dictate "American values" to us?
America is about freedom, including the freedom to disagree with you, disapprove of you, and not want to associate with you. I suggest that it's high past time you grow the fuck up and stop whining to Daddy Government to make the other kids play with you.
I want people to stop thinking government is there to force all of us, regardless of religion or lack thereof, not only to play with sectarian Christian fundies, but also to run our lives according to their ideology. If the fundies want to live in an isolationist society, let them build one. Anyone who wants to live in American society has the responsibility to juggle their respective faith beliefs with their participation in American society. Do not demand that others leave our society or demand that we exclude anyone or make them invisible. Work your way around it. This is what everybody else of every faith does.
I have known and have been blessed with many friends who are Black (mostly Christian), Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, and Buddhist, on first name basis, and LGBTs of all faiths, as well.. I would not trade their friendships for the world in diamonds and gold. There is nothing that you could ever say that would ever turn me against my friends.
No, what you want is for people to accept that government is there to force all of us, regardless of religion or lack thereof, to act and talk and think the way YOU want, and your method is what the leftist method always is: to ludicrously claim to be a "victim" of the crime YOU are trying to commit.
Spare me your longwinded diatribes attempting to justify your atheocracy because you're so "oppressed" by the knowledge that someone, somewhere, dislikes and disapproves of you and doesn't want to associate with you. The truth is, that's probably less about your weird sexual habits and more just about the fact that you're a putrid excuse for an organic lifeform.
No one's "forcing" anything on you, other than maybe their absence by way of avoiding you like the humanoid plague that you are.
All that I can say after this diatribe is to recommend that you get some help with your mental state. I do not peer into any other person's bedroom.
