We Need Government Healthcare Like Canada!

[Markle]

Many of those attending job fairs are being offered an unrealistic picture of working in the USA. Many in the medical community are lured by promises of unlimited resources and higher income, but many health care professionals return home, because by the time the doctors pay for the added staff they need to practice medicine with insurance company pre-approvals and third party billing, they found that while they made more money in the USA, they kept more of what they made in Canada, and the were able to treat more patients in Canada absent the pre-approval process and interference from insurance companies.

Henry Ford Hospital job fair in Windsor draws nurses over the border

This "poaching" of foreign doctors is only applicable to physicians and nurses trained in the first world. North Americans make it extremely difficult for foreign trained doctors to get certified in Canada or the USA. Training of doctors is strictly controlled in first world countries.

You could solve all doctor shortgages all over North America by simply training more doctors. Medical school enrolment is strictly controlled to keep prices and income for doctors as high as possible, by ensuring there is always more demand for doctor than there are doctors.

 

[Markle]

You could solve all doctor shortgages all over North America by simply training more doctors. Medical school enrolment is strictly controlled to keep prices and income for doctors as high as possible, by ensuring there is always more demand for doctor than there are doctors.

North America doesn't have a shortage of doctors, Canada has a shortage of doctors.

"Simply training more doctors". That's your solution? Just let more kids into medical school. So if we want more quarterbacks the caliber of Tom Brady, we just send more high school kids to the University of Michigan? Well, why isn't Canada just sending more kids to medical school?

Has Canada ever heard of supply and demand?

It seems that if you WANT more doctors, you simply need to pay them a lot more. Wouldn't that work?

 

[OnePercenter]

If you want to see the left's heads explode, offer them universal healthcare with the stipulation that it is citizen run. No government or politician can touch it or the money. Their heads go BOOM!

I've been promoting universal healthcare run by a private, non-profit, for years. Conservatives call it "socialism."

We all know that if politicians and government controls it, it will be a corrupt mess. Also, able body mooching lazy deadbeats need not apply. I'm not going to work overtime to pay the healthcare bills for some fat ass lazy bum. I'm happy to contribute to the truly needy who can't work a job and need our help. I'm NOT going to fund FREE shit for everyone. Another stipulation, STOP demonizing doctors and nurses. Forcing them to work for less to fund this is not the answer. Our best and brightest will run from the healthcare profession in droves. You will get your healthcare from a bunch of stupid shit losers who scored a D- in school and accidently kill patients on a regular basis.

The HMO Act was deregulated and now it's a corrupt mess.

Right, because healthcare should be rationed and patient care decisions should be based on controlling costs not what's best for the patient. In other words Liberal Care.

How does your bloviating have anything to do with what I posted?

 

[OnePercenter]

Wow, you're just spewing random shit relating to not a damned thing.

At least you clarified for us all that you are, in fact, out of your mind.

If you followed his posts you would know that he's out of his mind.

Because I've outed you and yours?

No, because you babble utter nonsense and then brag about how "brilliant" it was.

I've outed you and yours. Suck it up, you'll just come back under a different name.

You exposed your mental instability.

Are you a citizen of the United States of America.

 

[OnePercenter]

You left out a whole range of expensive things that private insurance does which single payer does not, all of which reduce costs.

Underwriting: insurance companies have an entire department of actuaries reviewing your application, medical reports, and deciding on your premiums are. Single payer has a minimum wage data entry clerk inputing you name address and SS number.

Private insurance has a pre-approval process where doctors and nurses contact the insurance company to determine whether the company will pay for their proposed treatment. Medical staff at the insurance company decide if they will pay for it. Single payer doesn’t do pre-approvals, therefore eliminating the salaries and expenses hospitals, doctors’ offices and insurers. This frees medical staff to provide treatment to more patients, lowering costs to all.

No third party billing. With only one bill to send out to the government office, and no copses to collect, your receptionist can do the paperwork.

Lop off the administration and insurance company profit of 20% (I checked Ray - it’s 20% not 15%), add in the savings to doctors and hospitals for pre-approvals and billing -another 10% and you can easily save 30% on Administration

Third party billing charges between 7.9 to 10.9% of their billing’s with a monthly minimum of $999. That’s BEFORE we talk about pre-approval costs.

Single payer, enters the doctor name, posts his patient billings by OHIP number to confirm their card number is active and eligible, and issues a cheque. One bill to one insurer. No muss, no fuss, no medical reviews.

Spent a full year visiting Calgary (at least once a month). TV commercials replete with complaints about their doctor shortage.

Wonder why ?

Because no one wants to live in Calgary?

Rural America is pretty short on doctors too.

Canada won't pay competitive wages (compared to the U.S.).

Canada doesn't pay "wages" to doctors. Doctors bill the government for services they provide to their patients. The fees for those services are lower in the USA. Unlike the USA, they can't charge whatever they want and "extra billing" is illegal. A Canadian doctor's practice can be as large or as small as they want. Our pediatrician in Toronto had his offices near the U of T. He taught medicine at the U of T, and was a part owner of a children's after-hours walk-in clinic near our home with two or three other pediatricians. My GP just had an his own office.

American hospitals and medical facilities come to Canada to hire our doctors to work in the USA. We raise em and train em, and then Americans promise them millions and poach our home grown doctors away. But even living in rural Ontario, where finding a doctor who is taking new patients is a problem, I can call my doctor up in the morning and be seen the same day.

America doesn't need to come to Canada to take your doctors away. Canadian doctors are quite aware of the income difference and come to the USA on their own free will to make a much better living. It's the same way with all other countries. We have doctors from all over the world here in Cleveland. I'm sure it's like that all over the country.

General Practice Physicians make 10% more in Canada than the US.

"12. How well are Canadian doctors paid?

On average, a Canadian general practitioner makes about 10 percent more than an American family physician; I don’t know about specialists. Office overhead runs between 15 percent and 30 percent. The cost of living, though, is very high."

An interview with an American doctor working in Canada

 

[OnePercenter]

Because no one wants to live in Calgary?

Rural America is pretty short on doctors too.

Canada won't pay competitive wages (compared to the U.S.).

Canada doesn't pay "wages" to doctors. Doctors bill the government for services they provide to their patients. The fees for those services are lower in the USA. Unlike the USA, they can't charge whatever they want and "extra billing" is illegal. A Canadian doctor's practice can be as large or as small as they want. Our pediatrician in Toronto had his offices near the U of T. He taught medicine at the U of T, and was a part owner of a children's after-hours walk-in clinic near our home with two or three other pediatricians. My GP just had an his own office.

American hospitals and medical facilities come to Canada to hire our doctors to work in the USA. We raise em and train em, and then Americans promise them millions and poach our home grown doctors away. But even living in rural Ontario, where finding a doctor who is taking new patients is a problem, I can call my doctor up in the morning and be seen the same day.

America doesn't need to come to Canada to take your doctors away. Canadian doctors are quite aware of the income difference and come to the USA on their own free will to make a much better living. It's the same way with all other countries. We have doctors from all over the world here in Cleveland. I'm sure it's like that all over the country.

You even deny this is happening. Deny, deny, deny:

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Many of those attending job fairs are being offered an unrealistic picture of working in the USA. Many in the medical community are lured by promises of unlimited resources and higher income, but many health care professionals return home, because by the time the doctors pay for the added staff they need to practice medicine with insurance company pre-approvals and third party billing, they found that while they made more money in the USA, they kept more of what they made in Canada, and the were able to treat more patients in Canada absent the pre-approval process and interference from insurance companies.

Henry Ford Hospital job fair in Windsor draws nurses over the border

This "poaching" of foreign doctors is only applicable to physicians and nurses trained in the first world. North Americans make it extremely difficult for foreign trained doctors to get certified in Canada or the USA. Training of doctors is strictly controlled in first world countries.

You could solve all doctor shortgages all over North America by simply training more doctors. Medical school enrolment is strictly controlled to keep prices and income for doctors as high as possible, by ensuring there is always more demand for doctor than there are doctors.

Neither of your links say anything about luring Canadian doctors to the US. The first one is a medical jobs gathering, and the second link talks about nurses, which I can understand because we've been short of nurses for decades now. The shortage is shrinking, but you can never get enough nurses.

It's actually the opposite of what you state. Doctors come here trained, or get training here, and don't return home because of the money. My former specialist was from Egypt. He studied here, did his internship here, and discussed the possibility of a career in America with the doctors he worked with. So he weighted what he would make back home, and decided to make the US his permanent home.

He told me he'd have to work five years in Egypt to make what he is paid in the US for one year.

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What about exchange rates?

 

[debbiedowner]

As I said, every system has it's flaws. They are different from one another, but I've yet to read about a healthcare system that is perfect.

What I get perturbed by is when people come here and tell us how our system sucks so badly, and everyplace else around the world has such great government healthcare. The left tells us it's all the insurance companies fault, and not the government which is the real problem.

If we want to bring down the cost of our healthcare, get government out of it, not bring more government in.

The insurance companies are the reason you costs are so high, not the government. We pay administration of 7%, and some of the European companies pay even less - 5% of thereabouts. The US is around 35%. A big chunk of that is insurance company profit, "loss prevention", and administration, in other words, denying claims.

I've had private insurance for forty years and I've never had a claim denied for me, my wife, and my four children.

Helps a lot to actually learn the coverage offered instead of assuming, doesn't it?

It’s even better when there are no limitations or exclusions, everything is covered and nobody is ever denied.

Purge garbage.

There is as least one well publisized case where England would not approve an experimental drug and let a woman die (saying, in fact, she should shut up and and take it like a good Brit).

You ever take the time to read your insurance policy? Good luck with those experimental drugs.

 

[debbiedowner]

Ray, it's not just the insurance company profit that is adding to your costs. It's their administration. Obamacare required that insurance companies spend 80% of your premiums on your care, and they had to refund any amount less than 80% of your premiums not used on care. But 20% of your premiums are lost to the company. That's to pay for their underwriting, claims and pre-approval process. So if you're premium is $18,000 per year, $3,600 comes off the top and only $14,400 is spent on your care.

Another 10% is spent by hospitals and doctors on billings. My doctor's receptionist sends out one bill to the province per month. Your doctor sends out bills to each of the insurance companies his patients have coverage with. He has to collect co-pays. He has to hire a third party billing company to manage it all. Hospital billing departments are approximately 1/3 of administration staff. Not to mention the time lost in pre-approvals. One of my American friends was the "pre-approval" nurse in the clinic she worked at. Her entire job consisted of dealing with insurance companies on pre-approval. That one salary which was paid by the clinic that did nothing to help the patients.

Canadian doctors have more time to spend with patients and they can see more patients. More time and resources spent on patients and not on insurance company paperwork also lowers the cost of health care. Americans who get sick here and have to seek treatment in Canada are shocked that there are no questions about payment when they walk through the door. The entire focus is on treating the patient.

You could cut 30% of your health care costs by eliminating for-profit insurance - without affecting the prices being charged by doctors, waiting times or quality of care. Just eliminating the expense, duplication, billings and pre-approvals created by private insurance. And yes, the entire third party billing industry will be wiped out, but other than increasing the cost of health care, they's jobs aren't doing anything for health care except increasing the price.

Now I realize that you can't just wave a magic wand to make that happen. But 30% of your healthcare costs is a huge chunk of money.

Profits are what's left after taking X in amount of money, and paying X out. Health insurance companies (as I posted) have the lowest profit margin of other insurance companies. Yes, those profits are after administration costs along with all the other costs.

DumBama forced insurance companies to pay 85% of collected premiums on claims which decreased their ability to make profit. Insurance companies operate by taking your premium money, investing it, and the profits they gain from those investments help offset the claims they payout. So premiums had to increase because of that loss inflicted on them by the Democrats, who think they know how to run businesses better than the businesses do.

Left to their own without government intrusion, insurance companies are vastly more efficient than the government. That's why government hires the insurance companies to handle their billing for Medicare and Medicaid. If you eliminate insurance companies, then the government would have all those additional administrative costs, and we save very little.

You left out a whole range of expensive things that private insurance does which single payer does not, all of which reduce costs.

Underwriting: insurance companies have an entire department of actuaries reviewing your application, medical reports, and deciding on your premiums are. Single payer has a minimum wage data entry clerk inputing you name address and SS number.

Private insurance has a pre-approval process where doctors and nurses contact the insurance company to determine whether the company will pay for their proposed treatment. Medical staff at the insurance company decide if they will pay for it. Single payer doesn’t do pre-approvals, therefore eliminating the salaries and expenses hospitals, doctors’ offices and insurers. This frees medical staff to provide treatment to more patients, lowering costs to all.

No third party billing. With only one bill to send out to the government office, and no copses to collect, your receptionist can do the paperwork.

Lop off the administration and insurance company profit of 20% (I checked Ray - it’s 20% not 15%), add in the savings to doctors and hospitals for pre-approvals and billing -another 10% and you can easily save 30% on Administration

Third party billing charges between 7.9 to 10.9% of their billing’s with a monthly minimum of $999. That’s BEFORE we talk about pre-approval costs.

Single payer, enters the doctor name, posts his patient billings by OHIP number to confirm their card number is active and eligible, and issues a cheque. One bill to one insurer. No muss, no fuss, no medical reviews.

Spent a full year visiting Calgary (at least once a month). TV commercials replete with complaints about their doctor shortage.

Wonder why ?

Because no one wants to live in Calgary?

Rural America is pretty short on doctors too.

I live in rural America and whenever my wife and I need a medical appointment it’s either that day or the next. And that includes specialists and special procedures like MRI’s.

What you suffer from is Ruralphobia, brought on by spending your live surrounded by concrete.

No one believes that, a specialist or mri within a day? No fucking way unless in ER but I guess you have to say something since you get paid to do so.

 

[berg80]

How long is the wait for an American who can't afford healthcare? Forever. Unless they are lucky enough to be able to hook up with something like this. https://www.ramusa.org/
Something that should not be necessary in the richest country in the world.

What I learned as a Canadian reporting on healthcare in America — and what Americans can learn from Canada
What I learned as a Canadian reporting on healthcare in America — and what Americans can learn from Canada

 

[Weatherman2020]

Profits are what's left after taking X in amount of money, and paying X out. Health insurance companies (as I posted) have the lowest profit margin of other insurance companies. Yes, those profits are after administration costs along with all the other costs.

DumBama forced insurance companies to pay 85% of collected premiums on claims which decreased their ability to make profit. Insurance companies operate by taking your premium money, investing it, and the profits they gain from those investments help offset the claims they payout. So premiums had to increase because of that loss inflicted on them by the Democrats, who think they know how to run businesses better than the businesses do.

Left to their own without government intrusion, insurance companies are vastly more efficient than the government. That's why government hires the insurance companies to handle their billing for Medicare and Medicaid. If you eliminate insurance companies, then the government would have all those additional administrative costs, and we save very little.

You left out a whole range of expensive things that private insurance does which single payer does not, all of which reduce costs.

Underwriting: insurance companies have an entire department of actuaries reviewing your application, medical reports, and deciding on your premiums are. Single payer has a minimum wage data entry clerk inputing you name address and SS number.

Private insurance has a pre-approval process where doctors and nurses contact the insurance company to determine whether the company will pay for their proposed treatment. Medical staff at the insurance company decide if they will pay for it. Single payer doesn’t do pre-approvals, therefore eliminating the salaries and expenses hospitals, doctors’ offices and insurers. This frees medical staff to provide treatment to more patients, lowering costs to all.

No third party billing. With only one bill to send out to the government office, and no copses to collect, your receptionist can do the paperwork.

Lop off the administration and insurance company profit of 20% (I checked Ray - it’s 20% not 15%), add in the savings to doctors and hospitals for pre-approvals and billing -another 10% and you can easily save 30% on Administration

Third party billing charges between 7.9 to 10.9% of their billing’s with a monthly minimum of $999. That’s BEFORE we talk about pre-approval costs.

Single payer, enters the doctor name, posts his patient billings by OHIP number to confirm their card number is active and eligible, and issues a cheque. One bill to one insurer. No muss, no fuss, no medical reviews.

Spent a full year visiting Calgary (at least once a month). TV commercials replete with complaints about their doctor shortage.

Wonder why ?

Because no one wants to live in Calgary?

Rural America is pretty short on doctors too.

I live in rural America and whenever my wife and I need a medical appointment it’s either that day or the next. And that includes specialists and special procedures like MRI’s.

What you suffer from is Ruralphobia, brought on by spending your live surrounded by concrete.

No one believes that, a specialist or mri within a day? No fucking way unless in ER but I guess you have to say something since you get paid to do so.

Not my fault you live in a crappy area and have no clue what’s going on in the real world.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Spent a full year visiting Calgary (at least once a month). TV commercials replete with complaints about their doctor shortage.

Wonder why ?

Because no one wants to live in Calgary?

Rural America is pretty short on doctors too.

Canada won't pay competitive wages (compared to the U.S.).

Canada doesn't pay "wages" to doctors. Doctors bill the government for services they provide to their patients. The fees for those services are lower in the USA. Unlike the USA, they can't charge whatever they want and "extra billing" is illegal. A Canadian doctor's practice can be as large or as small as they want. Our pediatrician in Toronto had his offices near the U of T. He taught medicine at the U of T, and was a part owner of a children's after-hours walk-in clinic near our home with two or three other pediatricians. My GP just had an his own office.

American hospitals and medical facilities come to Canada to hire our doctors to work in the USA. We raise em and train em, and then Americans promise them millions and poach our home grown doctors away. But even living in rural Ontario, where finding a doctor who is taking new patients is a problem, I can call my doctor up in the morning and be seen the same day.

America doesn't need to come to Canada to take your doctors away. Canadian doctors are quite aware of the income difference and come to the USA on their own free will to make a much better living. It's the same way with all other countries. We have doctors from all over the world here in Cleveland. I'm sure it's like that all over the country.

General Practice Physicians make 10% more in Canada than the US.

"12. How well are Canadian doctors paid?

On average, a Canadian general practitioner makes about 10 percent more than an American family physician; I don’t know about specialists. Office overhead runs between 15 percent and 30 percent. The cost of living, though, is very high."

An interview with an American doctor working in Canada

That all depends on where you practice at. I posted the chart, it's for the average. You should look at it.

 

[Markle]

Spent a full year visiting Calgary (at least once a month). TV commercials replete with complaints about their doctor shortage.

Wonder why ?

Because no one wants to live in Calgary?

Rural America is pretty short on doctors too.

Canada won't pay competitive wages (compared to the U.S.).

Canada doesn't pay "wages" to doctors. Doctors bill the government for services they provide to their patients. The fees for those services are lower in the USA. Unlike the USA, they can't charge whatever they want and "extra billing" is illegal. A Canadian doctor's practice can be as large or as small as they want. Our pediatrician in Toronto had his offices near the U of T. He taught medicine at the U of T, and was a part owner of a children's after-hours walk-in clinic near our home with two or three other pediatricians. My GP just had an his own office.

American hospitals and medical facilities come to Canada to hire our doctors to work in the USA. We raise em and train em, and then Americans promise them millions and poach our home grown doctors away. But even living in rural Ontario, where finding a doctor who is taking new patients is a problem, I can call my doctor up in the morning and be seen the same day.

America doesn't need to come to Canada to take your doctors away. Canadian doctors are quite aware of the income difference and come to the USA on their own free will to make a much better living. It's the same way with all other countries. We have doctors from all over the world here in Cleveland. I'm sure it's like that all over the country.

General Practice Physicians make 10% more in Canada than the US.

"12. How well are Canadian doctors paid?

On average, a Canadian general practitioner makes about 10 percent more than an American family physician; I don’t know about specialists. Office overhead runs between 15 percent and 30 percent. The cost of living, though, is very high."

An interview with an American doctor working in Canada

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[berg80]

Not my fault you live in a crappy area and have no clue what’s going on in the real world.

I have no idea where you live but you definitely don't know what's happening in the real world. Every post you write proves that.

 

[berg80]

"In a later exchange with Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) Comey said Clinton wasn’t sophisticated enough to understand what information was classified and what wasn’t."

Perhaps that's because the classification system is vague, conflicting, and inconsistent.

Overclassification and National Security Whistleblowing

 

[SmokeALib]

"In a later exchange with Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) Comey said Clinton wasn’t sophisticated enough to understand what information was classified and what wasn’t."

Perhaps that's because the classification system is vague, conflicting, and inconsistent.

Overclassification and National Security Whistleblowing

Right. If someone is stupid, don't blame the person - blame the subject. Typical worthless leftist traitor mantra.

 

[Markle]

The insurance companies are the reason you costs are so high, not the government. We pay administration of 7%, and some of the European companies pay even less - 5% of thereabouts. The US is around 35%. A big chunk of that is insurance company profit, "loss prevention", and administration, in other words, denying claims.

I've had private insurance for forty years and I've never had a claim denied for me, my wife, and my four children.

Helps a lot to actually learn the coverage offered instead of assuming, doesn't it?

It’s even better when there are no limitations or exclusions, everything is covered and nobody is ever denied.

Purge garbage.

There is as least one well publisized case where England would not approve an experimental drug and let a woman die (saying, in fact, she should shut up and and take it like a good Brit).

You ever take the time to read your insurance policy? Good luck with those experimental drugs.

Reading your insurance policy is fine, but you obviously have not kept up with all the great things being done for our country by President Donald Trump.

Trump signs ‘right-to-try’ allowing gravely ill patients to bypass FDA for experimental medicines
PUBLISHED WED, MAY 30 20182:00 PM EDT UPDATED WED, MAY 30 20185:13 PM EDT
Trump signs 'right-to-try' allowing gravely ill patients to bypass FDA for experimental medicines

 

[joaquinmiller]

Canada's system has been in place since 1968. The European democracies have all had universal healthcare since 1948, or not long thereafter. One reason it was instituted was WWII. The Europeans had fought on their own soil, and they had made sacrifices that created the feeling they were all in it together. The US could hardly argue that, when in large swaths of the country, blacks and white couldn't even use the same hospital, and there was no fucking way Johnny Redneck was going to help provide healthcare to black people. Seriously? Dang, it took an executive order to integrate the military. Integrating a hospital? Get the fuck out of here!

That was a big reason UHC wasn't instituted then, and the disproportionate number of minorities in lower income brackets are a reason Americans reject UHC today. We hear absurd horror stories about Euro healthcare, but they all studiously avoid reporting those health systems have taken care of 100% of their citizenry for 70+ years.

"It will never work here!" Well, sure, if you're determined to make sure it won't work.

 

[Dragonlady]

Profits are what's left after taking X in amount of money, and paying X out. Health insurance companies (as I posted) have the lowest profit margin of other insurance companies. Yes, those profits are after administration costs along with all the other costs.

DumBama forced insurance companies to pay 85% of collected premiums on claims which decreased their ability to make profit. Insurance companies operate by taking your premium money, investing it, and the profits they gain from those investments help offset the claims they payout. So premiums had to increase because of that loss inflicted on them by the Democrats, who think they know how to run businesses better than the businesses do.

Left to their own without government intrusion, insurance companies are vastly more efficient than the government. That's why government hires the insurance companies to handle their billing for Medicare and Medicaid. If you eliminate insurance companies, then the government would have all those additional administrative costs, and we save very little.

You left out a whole range of expensive things that private insurance does which single payer does not, all of which reduce costs.

Underwriting: insurance companies have an entire department of actuaries reviewing your application, medical reports, and deciding on your premiums are. Single payer has a minimum wage data entry clerk inputing you name address and SS number.

Private insurance has a pre-approval process where doctors and nurses contact the insurance company to determine whether the company will pay for their proposed treatment. Medical staff at the insurance company decide if they will pay for it. Single payer doesn’t do pre-approvals, therefore eliminating the salaries and expenses hospitals, doctors’ offices and insurers. This frees medical staff to provide treatment to more patients, lowering costs to all.

No third party billing. With only one bill to send out to the government office, and no copses to collect, your receptionist can do the paperwork.

Lop off the administration and insurance company profit of 20% (I checked Ray - it’s 20% not 15%), add in the savings to doctors and hospitals for pre-approvals and billing -another 10% and you can easily save 30% on Administration

Third party billing charges between 7.9 to 10.9% of their billing’s with a monthly minimum of $999. That’s BEFORE we talk about pre-approval costs.

Single payer, enters the doctor name, posts his patient billings by OHIP number to confirm their card number is active and eligible, and issues a cheque. One bill to one insurer. No muss, no fuss, no medical reviews.

Spent a full year visiting Calgary (at least once a month). TV commercials replete with complaints about their doctor shortage.

Wonder why ?

Because no one wants to live in Calgary?

Rural America is pretty short on doctors too.

I live in rural America and whenever my wife and I need a medical appointment it’s either that day or the next. And that includes specialists and special procedures like MRI’s.

What you suffer from is Ruralphobia, brought on by spending your live surrounded by concrete.

No one believes that, a specialist or mri within a day? No fucking way unless in ER but I guess you have to say something since you get paid to do so.

For those who are talking about waiting times and shitty care in Calgary, Alberta, I would like to point out to from 1971 to 2015, Conservative governments ruled Alberta. The Province lost its collective mind in 2015, or maybe the stench of graft and corruption got to be too much for even conservatives to stomach, but they elected the NDP, in 2015. It would be like Texas suddenly voting for the Green Party to State Governor and the House. The crash you heard was the sound all of our jaws hitting the floor on election night. Oil rich Alberta is Canada's Texas - staunchy Conservative, hates liberalism, the French, and anyone named Trudeau.

Of course conservative Alberta wants American style health care. They're the only province in the country with Charter schools too. Taxes on oil production form the basis of their Heritage Fund, which means that Alberta is the only Province in Canada with no provincial sales tax. Alberta is more like an American state, than a Canadian Province.

Because no one wants to live in Calgary?

Rural America is pretty short on doctors too.

Canada won't pay competitive wages (compared to the U.S.).

Canada doesn't pay "wages" to doctors. Doctors bill the government for services they provide to their patients. The fees for those services are lower in the USA. Unlike the USA, they can't charge whatever they want and "extra billing" is illegal. A Canadian doctor's practice can be as large or as small as they want. Our pediatrician in Toronto had his offices near the U of T. He taught medicine at the U of T, and was a part owner of a children's after-hours walk-in clinic near our home with two or three other pediatricians. My GP just had an his own office.

American hospitals and medical facilities come to Canada to hire our doctors to work in the USA. We raise em and train em, and then Americans promise them millions and poach our home grown doctors away. But even living in rural Ontario, where finding a doctor who is taking new patients is a problem, I can call my doctor up in the morning and be seen the same day.

America doesn't need to come to Canada to take your doctors away. Canadian doctors are quite aware of the income difference and come to the USA on their own free will to make a much better living. It's the same way with all other countries. We have doctors from all over the world here in Cleveland. I'm sure it's like that all over the country.

General Practice Physicians make 10% more in Canada than the US.

"12. How well are Canadian doctors paid?

On average, a Canadian general practitioner makes about 10 percent more than an American family physician; I don’t know about specialists. Office overhead runs between 15 percent and 30 percent. The cost of living, though, is very high."

An interview with an American doctor working in Canada

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Average General Practitioner Salary in Canada
C$125,829
Avg. Salary
C$1,000
The average salary for a General Practitioner in Canada is C$125,829.
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Average Family or General Practitioner Salary
$184,786
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The average salary for a Family or General Practitioner is $184,786.
Family or General Practitioner Salary | PayScale

You can’t compare salaries in Canada and the USA since our health care is part of taxes, mortgage payments on your home aren’t tax deductible (home sales are free of capital gains), and our food production industry doesn’t massive amounts of low wage illegals.

 

[OnePercenter]

Because no one wants to live in Calgary?

Rural America is pretty short on doctors too.

Canada won't pay competitive wages (compared to the U.S.).

Canada doesn't pay "wages" to doctors. Doctors bill the government for services they provide to their patients. The fees for those services are lower in the USA. Unlike the USA, they can't charge whatever they want and "extra billing" is illegal. A Canadian doctor's practice can be as large or as small as they want. Our pediatrician in Toronto had his offices near the U of T. He taught medicine at the U of T, and was a part owner of a children's after-hours walk-in clinic near our home with two or three other pediatricians. My GP just had an his own office.

American hospitals and medical facilities come to Canada to hire our doctors to work in the USA. We raise em and train em, and then Americans promise them millions and poach our home grown doctors away. But even living in rural Ontario, where finding a doctor who is taking new patients is a problem, I can call my doctor up in the morning and be seen the same day.

America doesn't need to come to Canada to take your doctors away. Canadian doctors are quite aware of the income difference and come to the USA on their own free will to make a much better living. It's the same way with all other countries. We have doctors from all over the world here in Cleveland. I'm sure it's like that all over the country.

General Practice Physicians make 10% more in Canada than the US.

"12. How well are Canadian doctors paid?

On average, a Canadian general practitioner makes about 10 percent more than an American family physician; I don’t know about specialists. Office overhead runs between 15 percent and 30 percent. The cost of living, though, is very high."

An interview with an American doctor working in Canada

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The average salary for a General Practitioner in Canada is C$125,829.
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The average salary for a Family or General Practitioner is $184,786.
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That's because the US dollar is worth more than the Canadian dollar. A GP in the UK makes £200,000.

 

[Markle]

That was a big reason UHC wasn't instituted then, and the disproportionate number of minorities in lower income brackets are a reason Americans reject UHC today. We hear absurd horror stories about Euro healthcare, but they all studiously avoid reporting those health systems have taken care of 100% of their citizenry for 70+ years.

"It will never work here!" Well, sure, if you're determined to make sure it won't work.

Your racist excuse won't work.

We simply did not want Socialist healthcare and far more people had a little thing called personal responsibility. Progressives kept forcing insurance companies to cover more and more things by mandate and the prices went crazy.

Horror stories are not absurd, they are accurate and causing painful problems in Europe.

Finland: Government Collapses Over Universal Health Care Costs
Posted by Fuzzy Slippers Sunday, March 10, 2019 at 7:30pm
“Similar problems are bedeviling Sweden and Denmark, two other countries frequently held up as models to follow on health care”
Finland: Government Collapses Over Universal Health Care Costs, #Bernie2020 Hardest Hit

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