When Deportations Start, Don't Freak Out

[daveman]

Not really? How do Parole officers encounter them?

Or Air Force Police?

Or the National Guard?

Now, yeah the Sheriff of HIck County might be on board with this, but he's not going to encounter them.

The sheriffs of big counties that do aren't going to be keen on using up their valued jail space for non-violent undocumented immigrants.

My wife was a Security Police Airman at Laughlin AFB in Texas in the late 1980s. They routinely picked up illegals crossing the border at the base.

 

[daveman]

Okay... you have to have a hearing to determine that. Or do you think that "Well, his name is Juan, is that good enough?"

And you get back to the original problem. Their home countries don't really want them back.

That's not our problem.

 

[daveman]

We give more than 5 Million $ to 124 Countries ( some getting up to 1 billion )

We should put tariffs on the home countries of illegals.

 

[daveman]

Not really that impressive.

We really need to do a lot more.

What we need for Latin America is something like the Marshall Plan for Europe.

"WE" don't need to do shit. We are not the world's ATM. You feel bad for them, you send your own money. Keep your damn hands out of other people's pockets.

 

[JohnDB]

Cattle Cars? You mean like the Nazis used?

You do realize that most of what you are proposing has some very ugly imagery, right?

 

[JoeB131]

Do you think they do, when they don't even show up to their hearings?

Most immigrants do show up for their hearings. In fact, 83% of them do, and most of the others either didn't get notice or couldn't find reliable transportation and had to reschedule.

Now, all that said, I doubt there would ever be another draft. The military doesn't really want it. (Training the people who WANT to be there is enough of a hassle, much less people who don't want to be there.) and the public wouldn't stand for it.

 

[Mac-7]

Most immigrants do show up for their hearings. In fact, 83% of them do, and most of the others either didn't get notice or couldn't find reliable transportation and had to reschedule.

Now, all that said, I doubt there would ever be another draft. The military doesn't really want it. (Training the people who WANT to be there is enough of a hassle, much less people who don't want to be there.) and the public wouldn't stand for it.

Do you have a link?

I will be surprised if that 83% includes illegal aliens

Or migrants seeking asylum

 

[JoeB131]

"WE" don't need to do shit. We are not the world's ATM. You feel bad for them, you send your own money. Keep your damn hands out of other people's pockets.

I think this is where you are confused, stupid.

It's going to cost us money regardless. The only question is do we spend smart, or do we spend mean and stupid.

Those who are against immigration rightly complain immigrants put a strain on our health, education, and public services. Okay, this is fair enough. But until we address the reasons why people are fleeing, they are going to keep coming no matter how many Trump tries to deport or how much he wastes on walls that can be easily defeated.

So, my Six point plan for fixing immigration.

1) Create a system of National ID so that identify can be quickly confirmed.
2) Create a guest worker program to address legitimate labor needs, linking it directly to a time limit and seasonal work, if needed.
3) Go after those who are hiring illegals. (No excuses after steps 1 and 2 are taken.)
4) Sufficiently staff immigration courts so that asylum and immigration cases are heard expeditiously.
5) Life economic sanctions on Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua. We should stop trying to punish countries for picking forms of government we don't like, as it only creates refugees.
6) And as stated, created a Marshall Plan for Latin America, to create better economic conditions (and eventually, markets for American products.)

Or we can just wait for the Chinese to do it. They've already displaced us in most of Asia and Africa as the top trading partner merely by helping them build infrastructure.

 

[JoeB131]

Do you have a link?

I will be surprised if that 83% includes illegal aliens

Or migrants seeking asylum

Well, obviously, Illegal aliens wouldn't have court dates because no one knows where they are or even who they are.

11 Years of Government Data Reveal That Immigrants Do Show Up for Court

A new report released today by the American Immigration Council examines 11 years of government data on the rate at which immigrants appear for hearings in U.S. immigration court. The report, “Measuring In Absentia Removal in Immigration Court,” concludes that an overwhelming 83% of immigrants...

www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

The main findings of the report include:

• 83% of nondetained immigrants with completed or pending removal cases attended all of their hearings.
• 96% of nondetained immigrants represented by a lawyer attended all of their hearings.
• 15% of those who were ordered deported because they did not appear in court successfully reopened their cases and had their removal orders rescinded. In some years, as many as 20% of all orders of removal for missing court were later overturned.
• Individuals who apply for relief from removal have especially high rates of appearance.
• Appearance rates vary strongly based on the immigration court’s location.
• The Executive Office for Immigration Review’s method for measuring the rate at which immigrants fail to appear in court presents a limited picture of the frequency of missed court appearances.

 

[daveman]

Most immigrants do show up for their hearings. In fact, 83% of them do, and most of the others either didn't get notice or couldn't find reliable transportation and had to reschedule.

Now, all that said, I doubt there would ever be another draft. The military doesn't really want it. (Training the people who WANT to be there is enough of a hassle, much less people who don't want to be there.) and the public wouldn't stand for it.

You've been lied to. It seems you like the taste of bullshit.

EXCLUSIVE: Most illegal immigrants are no-shows after catch-and-release ​

Less than 25% compliance rate for illegal immigrants released at border without court dates​

DHS chief reveals startling stat on asylum seekers who skip hearings, disappear​

The acting Homeland Security secretary gave lawmakers a glimpse Tuesday into just how many asylum seekers skip their hearings after being released into the United States -- telling a Senate panel that a recent program found 90 percent miss their court dates.​

 

[daveman]

I think this is where you are confused, stupid.

It's going to cost us money regardless. The only question is do we spend smart, or do we spend mean and stupid.

Those who are against immigration rightly complain immigrants put a strain on our health, education, and public services. Okay, this is fair enough. But until we address the reasons why people are fleeing, they are going to keep coming no matter how many Trump tries to deport or how much he wastes on walls that can be easily defeated.

So, my Six point plan for fixing immigration.

1) Create a system of National ID so that identify can be quickly confirmed.
2) Create a guest worker program to address legitimate labor needs, linking it directly to a time limit and seasonal work, if needed.
3) Go after those who are hiring illegals. (No excuses after steps 1 and 2 are taken.)
4) Sufficiently staff immigration courts so that asylum and immigration cases are heard expeditiously.
5) Life economic sanctions on Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua. We should stop trying to punish countries for picking forms of government we don't like, as it only creates refugees.
6) And as stated, created a Marshall Plan for Latin America, to create better economic conditions (and eventually, markets for American products.)

Or we can just wait for the Chinese to do it. They've already displaced us in most of Asia and Africa as the top trading partner merely by helping them build infrastructure.

We can't fix the world.

And you skipped a step: Deporting illegals.

It's not immigration reform if you're just rolling out a red carpet.

 

[Mac-7]

Well, obviously, Illegal aliens wouldn't have court dates because no one knows where they are or even who they are.

11 Years of Government Data Reveal That Immigrants Do Show Up for Court

A new report released today by the American Immigration Council examines 11 years of government data on the rate at which immigrants appear for hearings in U.S. immigration court. The report, “Measuring In Absentia Removal in Immigration Court,” concludes that an overwhelming 83% of immigrants...

www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

The main findings of the report include:

• 83% of nondetained immigrants with completed or pending removal cases attended all of their hearings.
• 96% of nondetained immigrants represented by a lawyer attended all of their hearings.
• 15% of those who were ordered deported because they did not appear in court successfully reopened their cases and had their removal orders rescinded. In some years, as many as 20% of all orders of removal for missing court were later overturned.
• Individuals who apply for relief from removal have especially high rates of appearance.
• Appearance rates vary strongly based on the immigration court’s location.
• The Executive Office for Immigration Review’s method for measuring the rate at which immigrants fail to appear in court presents a limited picture of the frequency of missed court appearances.

Your source is the American Immigration Council, a pro illegal alien lobby group

You’ll have to do better than that

 

[daveman]

Your source is the American Immigration Council, a pro illegal alien lobby group

You’ll have to do better than that

He really can't.

 

[LeftofLeft]

I'll be more impressed when the big corporations are actually fined for hiring and employing undocumented workers.

THAT will be something to freak out over.

Yea, all of those sex and fentanyl traffickers working those corporate jobs. Can’t wait.

 

[JoeB131]

ou've been lied to. It seems you like the taste of bullshit.

Dude, you went to the Moonie Times and Faux News.

Your source is the American Immigration Council, a pro illegal alien lobby group

You’ll have to do better than that

Where do you get that they're pro-illegal immigrant. They are pro-immigrant.

He really can't.

Says the guy who went to a source founded by the Moonie Cult.

 

[Leo123]

Deportations on a large scale, are going to begin very soon after Trump takes office in January. Some of us may have gotten to know some of the people being deported.

Let's remember that all these deportees knew what they were getting into, when they came here, in violation of US law. For them, this has always been possibility, and is not a shock.
Let's also take note of the fact that thousands of the deportees committed a crime (US Code 8, Section 1325- EWI - Entry Without Inspection), and could arrested and imprisoned for 6 months + fined. That is IF they did not commit any other crime while they were here, in which case, the penalties could be much stiffer.

Getting off with only deportation and no fines or imprisonment, is not too bad, considering the consequences if they were held fully accountable, as thousands of American prisoners are, serving time in US prisons.

So just remember that the deportees created this situation, and they now are entering into the final phase of it. For children of the deportees, it is unfortunate, since they were either dragged here by their careless parents, or were born here. In either case, they can return to the original country with their parents, and hopefully those countries will not resist them at all.

Yes, they create their own problems. That being said, I do not think most of them will be deported anytime soon, there are way too many. Trump will concentrate on the really bad ac;tors first and that will take some time, IMO.

 

[Rawley]

Why not? The man fucks up literally everything he touches.

First and foremost, Trump has to get the countries of origin to agree to take these people back. I'm sure he can try to dump them on Mexico's side of the border, but they'll probably just sneak right back in.

And they are STILL entitled to a hearing, that's the thing.

They can come back for their hearing. In 2027

Support for his policies will disappear the minute the news puts on a crying child asking, "Where's my Mommy?"

LOL, like this one?

 

[Mac-7]

Dude, you went to the Moonie Times and Faux News.



Where do you get that they're pro-illegal immigrant. They are pro-immigrant.



Says the guy who went to a source founded by the Moonie Cult.

You and they want to blend legals and illegals into one mass

 

[Failzero]

You and they want to blend legals and illegals into one mass

Marxists are goood at that

 

[MarathonMike]

There have been deportations for years and years.

Very true. Clinton and Obama deported millions while the media just shrugged. Imagine that.