Zone1 Who created all things?

[kjw47]

Been waiting for centuries now.

You haven't been. But all signs show these are the end of the last days. You better think on that.
God is offering eternal life in his kingdom, not aging like now, never sick, never without, peace always-etc. On a paradise Earth.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

You haven't been. But all signs show these are the end of the last days. You better think on that.
God is offering eternal life in his kingdom, not aging like now, never sick, never without, peace always-etc. On a paradise Earth.

What is "sick" is your beliefs.

 

[ding]

What is "sick" is your beliefs.

That's exactly how Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin and Mao saw it too.

"Religion is poison. It has two great defects: it undermines the race...(and) retards the progress of the country."
-Mao Zedong

 

[Paradoxical#1]

That's exactly how Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin and Mao saw it too.

"Religion is poison. It has two great defects: it undermines the race...(and) retards the progress of the country."
-Mao Zedong

Agreed.

 

[ding]

Agreed.

It awesome that I got you to agree with the fathers of communism.

 

[Alter2Ego]

You haven't been. But all signs show these are the end of the last days. You better think on that.
God is offering eternal life in his kingdom, not aging like now, never sick, never without, peace always-etc. On a paradise Earth.

What is "sick" is your beliefs.

Actually, Paradoxical#1:

Anyone who doesn't believe what's stated in God's inspired word, the Bible, including its promises of eternal life (never having to die again), not aging like now, never getting sick, peace always, and so on--as kjw47--such a person is in a condition of hopelessness.


Inspired Scripture says there will be no more dying in Jehovah's heavenly government which will rule over planet earth:

Revelation 21:3​

"With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them."

Revelation 21:4​

"And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”


Inspired Scripture says everyone will always be healthy and free from illnesses:
Isaiah 33:24
"And no resident will say: “I am sick.” The people dwelling in the land will be pardoned for their error."


Inspired Scripture says there will abundant peace when Jehovah's kingdom rule, through his established king, Jesus Christ, takes over the earth:

Isaiah 9:7​

"To the increase of his rulership And to peace, there will be no end, On the throne of David and on his kingdom In order to establish it firmly and to sustain it Through justice and righteousness, From now on and forever. The zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this."


Now, if your position, Paradoxical#1, is that you don't believe what the Bible says, that's an entirely different matter. kjw47 and I and millions of other people around the world happen to believe what's stated in the Judeo-Christian Bible. Why so? Because there is evidence that the Bible is the inspired word of Jehovah God, and so the Bible is therefore trustworthy.


Alter2Ego

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Actually, Paradoxical#1:

Anyone who doesn't believe what's stated in God's inspired word, the Bible, including its promises of eternal life (never having to die again), not aging like now, never getting sick, peace always, and so on--as kjw47--such a person is in a condition of hopelessness.


Inspired Scripture says there will be no more dying in Jehovah's heavenly government which will rule over planet earth:

Revelation 21:3​

"With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them."

Revelation 21:4​

"And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”


Inspired Scripture says everyone will always be healthy and free from illnesses:
Isaiah 33:24
"And no resident will say: “I am sick.” The people dwelling in the land will be pardoned for their error."


Inspired Scripture says there will abundant peace when Jehovah's kingdom rule, through his established king, Jesus Christ, takes over the earth:

Isaiah 9:7​

"To the increase of his rulership And to peace, there will be no end, On the throne of David and on his kingdom In order to establish it firmly and to sustain it Through justice and righteousness, From now on and forever. The zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this."


Now, if your position, Paradoxical#1, is that you don't believe what the Bible says, that's an entirely different matter. kjw47 and I and millions of other people around the world happen to believe what's stated in the Judeo-Christian Bible. Why so? Because there is evidence that the Bible is the inspired word of Jehovah God, and so the Bible is therefore trustworthy.


Alter2Ego

What evidence?

 

[BreezeWood]

Anyone who doesn't believe what's stated in God's inspired word, the Bible ... such a person is in a condition of hopelessness.

great news -

well, they do not have to believe the 10 commandments claimed by the liar moses that never existed because the lie is written in all three desert bibles for which in their literature the tablets were destroyed before being witnessed by anyone other than who made them up and can not possibly be heavenly.

as the fallacy undermines all three desert religions what they have used to subvert belief in fact disqualifies all three bibles as forgeries and works of fiction.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

great news -

well, they do not have to believe the 10 commandments claimed by the liar moses that never existed because the lie is written in all three desert bibles for which in their literature the tablets were destroyed before being witnessed by anyone other than who made them up and can not possibly be heavenly.

as the fallacy undermines all three desert religions what they have used to subvert belief in fact disqualifies all three bibles as forgeries and works of fiction.

100% correct on all counts.

 

[onefour1]

great news -

well, they do not have to believe the 10 commandments claimed by the liar moses that never existed because the lie is written in all three desert bibles for which in their literature the tablets were destroyed before being witnessed by anyone other than who made them up and can not possibly be heavenly.

as the fallacy undermines all three desert religions what they have used to subvert belief in fact disqualifies all three bibles as forgeries and works of fiction.

100% correct on all counts.

When Moses came down off the Mount with the 10 commandments and saw the children of Israel engaged in idolatry and other sins he cast the stone tablets and broke them all in pieces. However, Moses later went back into the Mount and the Lord provided him another set of tablets which were housed within the Ark of the Covenant for many years on which the Israelites were able to view and come to know the 10 commandment by heart. No, we don't have the tablets today but I imagine that for the many years that the Israelites did have the plates that they were read frequently and copied in their other books such as Exodus 20. Read Exodus 33 and 34 for the history of the broken plates and then the new ones that were made.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

When Moses came down off the Mount with the 10 commandments and saw the children of Israel engaged in idolatry and other sins he cast the stone tablets and broke them all in pieces. However, Moses later went back into the Mount and the Lord provided him another set of tablets which were housed within the Ark of the Covenant for may years on which the Israelites were able to view and come to know the 10 commandment by heart. No, we don't have the tablets today but I imagine that for the many years that the Israelites did have the plates that they were read frequently and copied in their other books such as Exodus 20. Read Exodus 33 and 34 for the history of the broken plates and then the new ones that were made.

Good story Bro! Got any other fabricated fantasies?

 

[BreezeWood]

No, we don't have the tablets today ...

the liar moses had no right to destroy what was meant for others entrusted to him only illustrating their corruption for an ulterior motive than providing what most likely was not what they approved of - from the heavens.

nor would allowing moses to rewrite them prove reasonable or the original pieces put back together and their disappearance again only highlights they are obvious forgeries what is now written in all three desert bibles - making them not heavenly rather counterfeit.

 

[onefour1]

the liar moses had no right to destroy what was meant for others entrusted to him only illustrating their corruption for an ulterior motive than providing what most likely was not what they approved of - from the heavens.

nor would allowing moses to rewrite them prove reasonable or the original pieces put back together and their disappearance again only highlights they are obvious forgeries what is now written in all three desert bibles - making them not heavenly rather counterfeit.

EXODUS 34:1
1 And the Lord said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Actually, Paradoxical#1:

Anyone who doesn't believe what's stated in God's inspired word, the Bible, including its promises of eternal life (never having to die again), not aging like now, never getting sick, peace always, and so on--as kjw47--such a person is in a condition of hopelessness.


Inspired Scripture says there will be no more dying in Jehovah's heavenly government which will rule over planet earth:

Revelation 21:3​

"With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them."

Revelation 21:4​

"And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”


Inspired Scripture says everyone will always be healthy and free from illnesses:
Isaiah 33:24
"And no resident will say: “I am sick.” The people dwelling in the land will be pardoned for their error."


Inspired Scripture says there will abundant peace when Jehovah's kingdom rule, through his established king, Jesus Christ, takes over the earth:

Isaiah 9:7​

"To the increase of his rulership And to peace, there will be no end, On the throne of David and on his kingdom In order to establish it firmly and to sustain it Through justice and righteousness, From now on and forever. The zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this."


Now, if your position, Paradoxical#1, is that you don't believe what the Bible says, that's an entirely different matter. kjw47 and I and millions of other people around the world happen to believe what's stated in the Judeo-Christian Bible. Why so? Because there is evidence that the Bible is the inspired word of Jehovah God, and so the Bible is therefore trustworthy.


Alter2Ego

I see you have not answered my question of what evidence there is that the bible is inspired. The only "evidence" is that the CHURCH decided that is was/is. Who were the "church"? They were humans like you and me, except they had a stake in making people believe that because to any question of the truth and legitimacy of their beliefs could be answered by saying "It is stated in verse such and such that --------------and since the bible is the word of "God", that is the answer to your question.

I have debated religion for decades now and the response as to where the evidence is usually is met by "Prophecies were fulfilled", and one person gave me one which was debunked because scholars found that it most likely was written after the event.

When you have a document written by unknown humans over centuries and those writings are not dated or signed and then compiled there is no way anyone can tell for certain when and by whom they were written. They are just compiled writings assembled into one book and of course, some of the geography and history would be correct. Why wouldn't it be.

Let's take the lie that Jesus filled a prophecy that the messiah was pierced for our transgressions. There is no way to know first of all if anyone did stick a spear in him as he lie on the cross as that is merely a claim decades later in John 19:34 written in 90-100CE and of course, the UNKNOWN writer would want to make that claim. In any event, Isaiah was originally about Israel being a suffering servant and not some alleged messiah.

 

[BreezeWood]

EXODUS 34:1
1 And the Lord said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.

had they been given the first tablets to those in scorn by moses to correct their ways then there would be meaning for exactly what was written - there is no proof for either instance something from the heavens were offered as a guide as the originals are destroyed - - and substituted for their own callous objectives.

a corruption and fatal flaw for all three desert bibles and among the reasons for the repudiation of judaism in the 1st century and the role of jesus in support of the heavens and the original heavenly goal to triumph over evil -

there are no commandments from the heavens, servitude and denial claimed by judaism - only the heavenly goal for admission to the everlasting to triumph over evil that if accomplished they will be judged as exactly what they accomplished.

 

[Alter2Ego]

I see you have not answered my question of what evidence there is that the bible is inspired. The only "evidence" is that the CHURCH decided that is was/is. Who were the "church"? They were humans like you and me, except they had a stake in making people believe that because to any question of the truth and legitimacy of their beliefs could be answered by saying "It is stated in verse such and such that --------------and since the bible is the word of "God", that is the answer to your question.

I have debated religion for decades now and the response as to where the evidence is usually is met by "Prophecies were fulfilled", and one person gave me one which was debunked because scholars found that it most likely was written after the event.

When you have a document written by unknown humans over centuries and those writings are not dated or signed and then compiled there is no way anyone can tell for certain when and by whom they were written. They are just compiled writings assembled into one book and of course, some of the geography and history would be correct. Why wouldn't it be.

Let's take the lie that Jesus filled a prophecy that the messiah was pierced for our transgressions. There is no way to know first of all if anyone did stick a spear in him as he lie on the cross as that is merely a claim decades later in John 19:34 written in 90-100CE and of course, the UNKNOWN writer would want to make that claim. In any event, Isaiah was originally about Israel being a suffering servant and not some alleged messiah.

Paradoxical#1:

I just started a thread on that topic. The weblink to my OP is below.

Zone1 Thread 'Proof Judeo-Christian Bible Written by Inspiration of God'

Monday at 7:27 PM

The difference between the Judeo-Christian Bible and bibles from other types of religion is that there is EVIDENCE of its divine inspiration by the Abrahamic God. Bibles from other types of religions (eg. the Islamic Koran) are unable to provide evidence of divine inspiration because no such evidence exists.

The Judeo-Christian Bible contains some 2,000 prophesies that have been fulfilled, some written centuries before the fulfillment of the prophesied events. Secular history and archeology bears this out. In addition, Bible writers were privy to information that was not discovered...

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When you get there, you will see that three members of the Religion of Atheism have already showed up, displaying their skepticism.


I will copy this, your latest post, into that thread and address some of your concerns from time to time.


Alter2Ego

 

[OneIsTheWord]

The Spider-Man cartoon is more believable than your Bible.

Then, when you're drowning, call for Spider-Man

It doesn't matter what you believe is where you're going
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[Paradoxical#1]

Then, when you're drowning, call for Spider-Man
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It doesn't matter what you believe is where you're going
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Calling for Spiderman when I am drowning will be just as good as calling for Jesus. How many people called for Jesus/God when they were being tortured, had terminal cancer, were being raped, were bound to a chair by some maniac who said he was going to kill them, were in a cave-in and never rescued through their prayers.

Duly noted that as I have told many others that Christians trot out the fear card as their Trump card as you just have. When all else fails, threaten them with hell.

 

[ding]

Calling for Spiderman when I am drowning will be just as good as calling for Jesus. How many people called for Jesus/God when they were being tortured, had terminal cancer, were being raped, were bound to a chair by some maniac who said he was going to kill them, were in a cave-in and never rescued through their prayers.

Duly noted that as I have told many others that Christians trot out the fear card as their Trump card as you just have. When all else fails, threaten them with hell.

There's no historical evidence for spiderman. There is for Jesus.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

There's no historical evidence for spiderman. There is for Jesus.

Even his existence is debatable as he could have been confused with others at that time who were alleged to have performed miracles, like Apollonius. I will not dispute he existed. Now what? He was a Jewish Rabbi who preached the Torah, who upset the wealthy money changers, who like the politicians and thieves of today, went to the powerful Roman leaders who had barely heard of him but knew the wealthy people were upset and claimed that people were calling him a king of the Jews. They believed he represented a threat to their power (See Democrats going after Trump) and they hung him for sedition.

Jesus existed and..................................that does not prove the bible, miracles, virgin birth, resurrection or anything at all.