Zone1 Who created all things?

[pknopp]

I say cultists need to prove their warped beliefs.

Well, unless they are wanting to force it on you, they really dont.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

I didn't ask when or where it started. BTW, there is zero proof that Exodus happened just as there is zero proof there was any god to follow.

There are no Egyptian records of any mass departures or plagues and the bible exaggerated smaller migrations. IOW, like so many other stories, it was made up by zealots to claim people were "chosen" by "God".

I just listened to a former black pastor yesterday on his YouTube channel saying the same thing I maintain which is that behind all the lies, the beliefs, the imaginations, Christians are narcissists.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Incorrect on every front. The universe popping into existence is knowable and monotheists did not insert God there. They moved away from polytheistic beliefs that did that. Monotheists believe in a creator God that set creation into motion but does not interfere or control nature or man. Those were the beliefs of polytheists which monotheists rejected.

IOW, you contrived a God because you are a narcissist and think by virtue of drinking the Kool-aid, you get out of here alive?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

So now we no longer have a one-person deity religion.

They created the insane trinity for that question. Their "God" is like Wrigley chewing gum. He is three flavors in one. Only took them 300 years to decide that.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Well, unless they are wanting to force it on you, they really dont.

They force it through their lies and indoctrination tactics of fear, guilt, self-loathing, and because they are tax-exempt and claim privileged status.

 

[pknopp]

They force it through their lies and indoctrination tactics of fear, guilt, self-loathing, and because they are tax-exempt and claim privileged status.

Well, actually our Constitution does that.

 

[Moonglow]

I just love Judo-Hellenistic eschatology.

 

[hadit]

So, then, everything has always existed. Doesn't need to have been created. Just, it's there.

If God was just there. Then so to can energy.

Science tells us that it hasn't always existed, that the universe had a beginning. Before that, it wasn't, now it is.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Well, actually our Constitution does that.

Only because at the time the religious whack jobs were so powerful.

 

[ding]

IOW, you contrived a God because you are a narcissist and think by virtue of drinking the Kool-aid, you get out of here alive?

Incorrect. That's exactly the kind of thing a socialist would argue to subordinate religion.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Incorrect. That's exactly the kind of thing a socialist would argue to subordinate religion.

what does "socialist" have to do with religion being fabricated?

 

[kjw47]

????

Either one lives to do Jesus' Fathers will to stand on Gods side, or they are mislead into opposition by satan.

 

[kjw47]

4: He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

God is going to allow someone other than Himself to receive worship?

Catholicism mistranslated that Greek word as worship for Jesus-Obeisance to a king is correct for Jesus=same Greek word=Proskeneu

 

[kjw47]

Based upon what we are finding out in space and on exo-planets and asteroids, we are the stuff of stars.

I don't know what you are saying.

 

[pknopp]

Only because at the time the religious whack jobs were so powerful.

Irrelevant to the fact that the Constitution provides for all of this. If you want it changed, you know the process.

 

[hadit]

Catholicism mistranslated that Greek word as worship for Jesus-Obeisance to a king is correct for Jesus=same Greek word=Proskeneu

Okay, let's word it this way. Where do we ever see God accepting man's obeisance to a heavenly king other than Himself? It's very convenient for your "translators" who can't even read the original texts to yell, "mistranslation" when they find something inconvenient in the Scriptures. If they were literary scholars who could read the originals, they would have more credibility. Instead, they (and you) insist we have to just take their word for it.

God is not going to have all of creation down before another in His presence.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

I don't know what you are saying.

All the very basic ingredients that lead to life on this planet are found throughout the universe.
For instance, exo-planet K2-18b, 124 light years from Earth, has been found to have water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, dimethyl sulfide and a similar temperature to Earth. Dimethyl sulfide is only produced by phytoplanktons, a marine alga.
Marine alga are a lifeform made up of cells.
This is why I say that we are the stuff of stars.

 

[ding]

what does "socialist" have to do with religion being fabricated?

They subordinate religion like you do. What was it you said? Religion is highly detrimental to society and should be abolished? So what it has to do with this is you can't be objective about religion.

 

[ding]

Based upon what we are finding out in space and on exo-planets and asteroids, we are the stuff of stars.

Yes, the laws of nature and even the fabric of matter itself are fine tuned to produce intelligence. Which is why the universe popping into existence not being created from existing matter/energy should give you pause for concern.

 

[ding]

All the very basic ingredients that lead to life on this planet are found throughout the universe.
For instance, exo-planet K2-18b, 124 light years from Earth, has been found to have water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, dimethyl sulfide and a similar temperature to Earth. Dimethyl sulfide is only produced by phytoplanktons, a marine alga.
Marine alga are a lifeform made up of cells.
This is why I say that we are the stuff of stars.

Actually it's even simpler than that.

George Wald explains:

Now, to leave the elementary particles and go on to atoms, to elements. Of the 92 natural elements, ninety-nine percent of the living matter we know is composed of just four: hydrogen (H), oxygen (O), nitrogen (N), and carbon (C). That is bound to be true wherever life exists in the universe, for only those four elements possess the unique properties upon which life depends.

Their unique position in chemistry can be stated in a sentence: They -- in the order given -- are the lightest elements that achieve stable electronic configurations (i.e., those mimicking the inert gases) by gaining respectively one, two, three, and four electrons. Gaining electrons, in the sense of sharing them with other atoms, is the mechanism of forming chemical bonds, hence molecules. The lightest elements make not only the tightest bonds, hence the most stable molecules, but introduce a unique property crucial for life: of all the natural elements, only oxygen, nitrogen and carbon regularly form double and triple bonds with one another, so saturating all their tendencies to combine further.

Now, professors sometimes tell their students foolish things, which the students carefully learn and reproduce on exams and eventually teach the next generation. When chemistry professors teach the periodic system of elements, one has those horizontal periods of the elements and the professors say, “If you go down vertically, the elements repeat their same properties.” That is utter nonsense, as any kid with a chemistry set would know. For under oxygen comes sulfur. Try breathing sulfur somethime. Under nitrogen comes phosphorus. There is not any phosphorus in that kid’s chemistry set. It is too dangerous; it bursts into flame spontaneously on exposure to air. And under carbon comes silicon.

If that chemistry professor were talking sense, there are two molecules that should have very similar properties: carbon dioxide (CO2) and silicon dioxide (SiO2). Well, in carbon dioxide the central carbon is tied to both of the oxygen atoms by double bonds O=C=O. Those double bonds completely saturate the combining tendencies of all three atoms, hence CO2 is a happy, independent molecule. It goes off in the air as a gas, and dissolves in all the waters of the Earth, and those are the places from which living organisms extract their carbon.

But silicon cannot form a double bond, hence in silicon dioxide the central silicon is tied to the two oxygens only by single bonds, leaving four half‑formed bonds -- four unpaired electrons -- two on the silicon and one on each oxygen, ready to pair with any other available lone electrons. But where can one find them? Obviously on neighboring silicone dioxide molecules, so each molecule binds to the next, and that to the next, and on and on until you end up with a rock -- for example quartz, which is just silicone dioxide molecules bound to one another to form a great super-molecule. The reason quartz is so hard is that to break it one must break numerous chemical bonds. And that is why, though silicon is 135 times as plentiful as carbon in the Earth’s surface, it makes rocks, and to make living organisms one must turn to carbon. I could make a parallel argument for oxygen and nitrogen.

These four elements, Hydrogen, carbon, oxygen and nitrogen, also provide an example of the astonishing togetherness of our universe. They make up the “organic” molecules that constitute living organisms on a planet, and the nuclei of these same elements interact to generate the light of its star. Then the organisms on the planet come to depend wholly on that starlight, as they must if life is to persist. So it is that all life on the Earth runs on sunlight. I do not need spiritual enlightenment to know that I am one with the universe -- that is just good physics.

George Wald: Life and Mind in the Universe