Why the US will have to negotiate with the Taliban

[High_Gravity]

Come on Sunni thats going too far, saying its their country its their business is one thing but to say they are doing nothing wrong is absurd, the Taliban are not boy scouts here.

We love to point fingers.

But we are not boy scouts either.

Never said we were, but come on Sunni, I thought you would want better for your fellow Muslims than to live under Taliban rule, even most Muslim countries know that they way the Taliban is doing this is dead wrong.

 

[paulitician]

No,we should piss on em instead.


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[Sunni Man]

Never said we were, but come on Sunni, I thought you would want better for your fellow Muslims than to live under Taliban rule, even most Muslim countries know that they way the Taliban is doing this is dead wrong.

After the CIA staged the over throw of the the democratically government in the 1950's.

Then the invasion of the Soviets.

And now the current invasion/occupation by the U.S.

Is it any wonder that Afghanistan has severe economic and social problems.

The only group in the last 50 years that stabilized the country and brought hope to the Afghan people is the Taliban.

 

[Photonic]

Never said we were, but come on Sunni, I thought you would want better for your fellow Muslims than to live under Taliban rule, even most Muslim countries know that they way the Taliban is doing this is dead wrong.

After the CIA staged the over throw of the the democratically government in the 1950's.

Then the invasion of the Soviets.

And now the current invasion/occupation by the U.S.

Is it any wonder that Afghanistan has severe economic and social problems.

The only group in the last 50 years that stabilized the country and brought hope to the Afghan people is the Taliban.

Godwin's Law, I know, but they said the same of Hitler and Stalin. Do the actions of the Taliban really speak to the best interest of the people that live there?

 

[paulitician]

Never said we were, but come on Sunni, I thought you would want better for your fellow Muslims than to live under Taliban rule, even most Muslim countries know that they way the Taliban is doing this is dead wrong.

After the CIA staged the over throw of the the democratically government in the 1950's.

Then the invasion of the Soviets.

And now the current invasion/occupation by the U.S.

Is it any wonder that Afghanistan has severe economic and social problems.

The only group in the last 50 years that stabilized the country and brought hope to the Afghan people is the Taliban.

No offense,but your assessment of the Taliban is a wildly inaccurate fairy tale. They are anything but good for the People of Afghanistan. We should not prop them up in any way. We will truly regret it if we do.

 

[High_Gravity]

Never said we were, but come on Sunni, I thought you would want better for your fellow Muslims than to live under Taliban rule, even most Muslim countries know that they way the Taliban is doing this is dead wrong.

After the CIA staged the over throw of the the democratically government in the 1950's.

Then the invasion of the Soviets.

And now the current invasion/occupation by the U.S.

Is it any wonder that Afghanistan has severe economic and social problems.

The only group in the last 50 years that stabilized the country and brought hope to the Afghan people is the Taliban.

Stability? how so? Afghanistan was locked in a civil war in 2001 when we invaded it.

 

[paulitician]

Shooting innocent young women in the head at halftime of soccer matches does not = 'Stability.' I like and respect you Sunni Man,but your take on the Taliban really is incredibly skewed. They are not good for the Afghan People.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Nuke them? That's a peaceful approach.....

There is NO dealing with these savages. No more nation building and no more middle east wars...If we have to deal with them why not? YOU FIGHT WARS TO WIN!

Do you think NUKING a muslim country like Afghanistan by the United States is just the excuse Iran needs to develop weapons themselves? Now you have a highly unstable muslim nation in the Middle East who isn't afraid to flex their muscles, nor smuggle nukes to other Islamic extremist groups that hate the west and favor their cause. How will you deal with Iran? Nuke them and give North Korea an excuse to continue development of long range missles capable of carrying nukes, because they have seen another nuclear developing country attacked? You really haven't thought this through have you?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

geez, rdean. you are sounding a lot like ron paul. why don't you just vote for him? You know he will end this foreign conundrum.

Ron Paul is a terrible person. His campaign manager from the last election raised tens of millions of dollars for Paul, but when he got cancer, he was uninsured and ended up owing over $400,000.00 and Paul did nothing to help him.

The irony is that if the guy had lived a little longer, Obamacare might have saved him.

Plenty of people die with healthcare coverage. and you're an idiot.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Such wasted blood & treasure. The Taliban will now likely end up controlling a vast portion of Afghanistan.

It's hard to fight off a religious belief twisted by hatred that has been instilled for generations through influencing the youth. This is nothing less than a religious war to them, one that must be won against those who don't agree with their faith -- the infidels.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Such wasted blood & treasure. The Taliban will now likely end up controlling a vast portion of Afghanistan.

You have that right! What a waste. If they're truly the threat the neo-cons believe they're...Why not blow them off the face of the planet?

More Wars to fight in other places. They're done with Afghanistan now. Time for more War elsewhere. And the vicious cirlcle just continues round & round.

It's high time this government gets SERIOUS about tightening up the border between the United States and Mexico, and enforcing Federal immigration laws. The muslim extremists will look to any means to enter this country, or use this "opportunity" to develop close ties with those groups behind the violence in Mexico. There is too much "politics" that has taken priority over national security and allowing current illegal immigration laws to simply be ignored for 'political party favoritism' (a.k.a. the hispanic vote).

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Regardless of being a "waste of time". Honest trade between nations should be encouraged and this paranoid delusional ignorance, should subside.

But, at least you view the wars as wasteful. Even if you're pushing the realms of bigotry.

Is preventing a man from allowing his village to stone his wife wrong?

Then you want to talk about bigotry.

War can be just and it also can be redundant.

The only thing wrong with that argument is the matter of perception. What makes the United States the responsible moral high ground of the world? I'm sure there are a few Muslims in that part of the world that view our moral tolerance for certain behaviors, and towards certain groups of people, as morally disgraceful and wrong. Their religion wouldn't permit it, and to them that becomes their "just cause" for going against the United States as well. Remember you are fighting someone's religious view of the world, it's no longer just a nation bent on domination simply based upon ideals or looking to build a controlling wealth of our natural resources.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

More War is 100% certain. The New World Order will make it so. A whole lot more needs to be destroyed before they can rebuild it all in their image. This War also entails destroying economies. A One World all-powerful Government must be achieved. But the sovereignty of nations needs to be destroyed first. And ours is the most important nation on the list. Little by little they're becoming successful at chipping away our sovereignty. But hey,back to the stupid reality tv,porn,sports,cell phones,facebook,twitter,and so and so on. Nothing to see here people. It's all good.

Our military warships will always be patrolling overseas, as long as we continue to depend upon nations abroad for our oil instead of drilling for our own supply here in the United States. That's what many that are against our military presence overseas don't understand. Along with all this talk from the left about jobs going overseas, and our greatest resource need [oil] continues to be outsourced by other nations all too willing to get richer from us. When we no longer depend upon the Mid East to supply their wealth for oil, then I'm sure you will see a whole new attitude by Arabs towards the United States.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Ron Paul is a terrible person. His campaign manager from the last election raised tens of millions of dollars for Paul, but when he got cancer, he was uninsured and ended up owing over $400,000.00 and Paul did nothing to help him.

The irony is that if the guy had lived a little longer, Obamacare might have saved him.

I am no Ron Paul supporter but what do you really expect Ron Paul to do? Pay for his medical bills. Do a fund raiser?? It is not Ron Pauls responsibility to pay for anything.

Ron Paul calls himself a Christian and a doctor. Clearly he believe in "every man for himself".

Are the only two options "Take 100% care of the guy" or "let him die"? They are if you're a Republican. Everything is "either/or" and nothing in between. It's why they can't negotiate.

Another effort to try and link Christian to healthcare? Obviously you didn't know Christianity was about changing the heart and mind of the "individual", this is precisely the reason you will not find a single passage in the New Testament where the Roman government was approached by Jesus nor the disciples with this new "Christian" message and told it would be their responsiblity to change. Besides, I thought it was the left who tried to convince the rest of us there should be a separation of church and state? I suppose now we see, that was until Obamacare came along and then look what "moral" excuse came surfacing to defend it? Religion.

 

[Sunni Man]

Shooting innocent young women in the head at halftime of soccer matches does not = 'Stability.' I like and respect you Sunni Man,but your take on the Taliban really is incredibly skewed. They are not good for the Afghan People.

The woman who was executed at the soccer stadium had murdered her husband.

She had been found guilty in a legal court of law and was sentenced to death.

We have capitol punishment here in the U.S.

So I fail to see the difference between them and us.

Except the method of execution.

 

[Sunni Man]

Never said we were, but come on Sunni, I thought you would want better for your fellow Muslims than to live under Taliban rule, even most Muslim countries know that they way the Taliban is doing this is dead wrong.

After the CIA staged the over throw of the the democratically government in the 1950's.

Then the invasion of the Soviets.

And now the current invasion/occupation by the U.S.

Is it any wonder that Afghanistan has severe economic and social problems.

The only group in the last 50 years that stabilized the country and brought hope to the Afghan people is the Taliban.

Stability? how so? Afghanistan was locked in a civil war in 2001 when we invaded it.

The Taliban controlled 90% of Afghanistan in 2001

The Northern Alliance only controlled the very northern 10% part of the country and was slowly loosing ground to the Taliban.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

After all these years and the Taliban is still THE major force within Afghanistan. Why is that?

Remember, even inside the old USSR and inside Modern China, still religion has a foothold. The Taliban in Afghanistan is their state church. You can't stomp it out unless you kill everyone.

Many Republicans believe (they believe so many odd and strange things) that the Taliban was part of the WTC Terrorist attack because they wouldn't give up al Qaeda. But we now know in their culture, you can't "turn over" an honored guest once you have accepted them into your home. And remember, al Qaeda fought with the Taliban against Soviet Incursion. They were most certainly "honored guests".

Republicans, even if they cared, don't understand this. Remember, John McCain didn't even know the difference between Sunni and Shiite. Add in the Republicans complete lack of understanding in this country of anyone other than a white conservative and you have a recipe for disaster.

Obama is going to have to cut a deal with the Taliban. There is not a shred of evidence that the Taliban had a hand in 9/11. Considering where all the bombers came from, the US is probably looking in the wrong country.

Hopefully, Obama will be re-elected. We need a president who will get this country out of Afghanistan and you know that no Republican will do that. Republicans see foreign wars as highly profitable ways to make lots of money. And we only lose a few poor kids so it's a "Win-Win". Money to people already rich versus the cost of the lives of a few poor kids. Eliminate abortion laws and they can be replaced easily enough.

We will be stuck there until after the presidential elections because Republicans will never, ever allow peace between the US and the Taliban. They would say Obama is friends with terrorists and that's the proof.

Remember, the generals told us Gitmo was a "recruiting tool" for al Qaeda. Republicans say that if you close Gitmo you will have to release terrorists onto the streets and into backyards as if they never heard of "maximum security prisons" before. So sick of this "willful ignorance".

Republicans know this and fought to keep it open even though it threatens the lives of young patriotic American soldiers. They don't care. It's all about getting the black guy out of the WHITE House. If they can't control the country, they will see it destroyed. Like a dog guarding a pile of hay, their natural instinct is to keep others from using it even when they have no use for it.

If I'm not mistaken - the last time the U.S. didn't have to negotiate with the enemy to end a conflict - we used 2 atomic bombs on civilian targets.


I don't think its ever a good idea to go to war unless you're willing to kill everyone who isn't a U.S. Citizen.

I would hardly call witnessing greater bloodshed through an American invasion onto the mainland of Japan "negotiations". Yet, that was the determining factor behind using the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

And now it's a heartbreak again. I've been fighting for Afghan womens rights for a decade and a half. And now here we go again.

Women will be forced to stay in their homes. Covered head to toe with only a slit to be able to see where they can walk when they are let out.Children won't be allowed to fly kites because the Koran might have been recycled to make the kite.
All gays will be hung or stoned to death. This is a sad day. And some asswipe will come on tv tonight on the CBC and crow about freedom from western influences as troops withdraw.

Afghan women will be better off when busy bodies like you and your friends are banned from the country under the new Taliban controlled government.

The Afghan people want to be left alone and free from Western influence.

They already have their own culture, values, and morals; and don't need people like you telling them how to live.

Just curious. Have you ever seen the film, The Stoning of Soraya M? It depicts the kind of culture that many Arab nations seem to support, morals are hardly as important as their perception of "property" for their own self interest.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Here ya go sparky. Thought I'd do it for a laugh.

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And let's do Shaman because obviously the Shaman is having too many orders at the drive thru tonight to post....

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You're living in the wrong era on this.

Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over

guardian.co.uk, Sunday 14 October 2001 17.19 EDT

Does it matter, when you have another previous administration that refused to deal with the issue of terrorism before 9-11?

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Sharia law is barbaric to women and vews them as second class citizens!

No, it doesn't; but that's the western media spin, so it must be true.

So you are saying that the women there are free to marry who they choose, and share in independent lives able to make decisions for themselves without the influence of men? Does that happen to be your view of their culture?