You want to see real CHAOS? How about an electoral college tie - 269 to 269

[postman]

This is correct - a 269-269 EC tie is not broken by the VP.
The Constitution has a procedure for addressing a non-majority result in the EC and the VP has nothing to do with it.

Actually the Constitution is ambiguous on that point.
It gives the VP the power to break ties in the senate.
And the EC vote count, takes place in the senate.

 

[M14 Shooter]

That's not what the text of the Constitution says.

12th Amendment
the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;
Article I
The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

Juvenile dumbassery, above.

Counting the EVs is not a senate function, and the senators do not vote.
The VP only votes when there is a tied vote by senators in the senate.

Troll better.

 

[CrazyTrader55]

Juvenile dumbassery, above.

Counting the EVs is not a senate function, and the senators do not vote.
The VP only votes when there is a tied vote by senators in the senate.

Troll better.

THIS. Each state gets one vote to break the EC tie.

 

[postman]

What is ambiguous?

Senate tied, ie 50 -50... Then President of the Senate get vote...

Or a tie during the EC count in the senate of 269-269

The constitution is ambiguous on what vote's that occur in the senate it applies to.

 

[Auld Phart]

Or a tie during the EC count in the senate of 269-269

The constitution is ambiguous on what vote's that occur in the senate it applies to.

Or a tie during the EC count in the senate of 269-269

if there is a 269-269 tie, it goes to the Senate/House.

each state, no matter how many reps or senators it has, get 1 vote, ONLY 1.

House decides the President, Senate decides the VP.


How many times does this have to be posted before you get it?

 

[postman]

Juvenile dumbassery, above.

Counting the EVs is not a senate function, and the senators do not vote.
The VP only votes when there is a tied vote by senators in the senate.

Troll better.

Then you'll need to find constitutional language with that restriction. Because I can't find it anywhere in there.

But it does say.

The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

The use of "they" instead of "the senate" is where the ambiguity lies.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The use of "they" instead of "the senate" is where the ambiguity lies.

Only for those who deliberately choose to not understand simple and plain English.
Buh-bye.

 

[postman]

Only for those who deliberately choose to not understand simple and plain English.
Buh-bye.

The clause was left ambiguous. Meaning it can be applied different ways.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Any member of the house can

How a speaker of the House can be ousted with a 'motion to vacate'

Speaker Kevin McCarthy made concessions to the far right to get his job, including changing the rules to allow any member of Congress to force a vote to remove him.

www.nbcnews.com

How a speaker of the House can be ousted with a 'motion to vacate'

One was a rule change to allow just a single member to try to force him from office.

Under the new House rules passed Monday, only one member of Congress — Democrat or Republican — is needed to bring a "motion to vacate," which forces a vote on removing the speaker. That would need only a simple majority of the House to pass to oust McCarthy.

How a speaker of the House can be ousted with a 'motion to vacate'

A new house makes its own rules.
Is that rule going to be in effect yet? Or at all?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Don't think so...

In case of a tie,
the new Congress coming in votes on who is President (amount top 3)
the new Senate selects the VP from top 2. IF there is a tie then the President VP breaks the tie. The Senate convenes on the 3rd of Jan and Old admin still in charge.

That is how I understand it...


The bookies have it as a Democrat House and a GOP Senate...

This would mean Harris and JD Vance as the President and VP..

IF there is a tie then the President VP breaks the tie.

The Constitution doesn't say that.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Then you'll need to find constitutional language with that restriction. Because I can't find it anywhere in there.

But it does say.

The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

The use of "they" instead of "the senate" is where the ambiguity lies.

The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

They is the Senate. No mention of the VP breaking any tie in the Electoral College.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

In a nutshell.

After the chaotic 1800 presidential election ended with Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr each at 73 electoral votes, the 12th Amendment was ratified to better govern the process of choosing a chief executive.

\It established rules about what to do in case of a tie or if no candidate received a majority of electoral votes, finding its solution in a contingent election that takes place Jan. 6 in the new Congress.

In this scenario, the House of Representatives decides who among the top three Electoral College finishers becomes president, and the Senate determines who becomes vice president among the top two finishers for that position.

Each state’s delegation in the House (i.e., all its allotted representatives) gets a single vote, and the next president becomes the candidate who receives a majority 26 of 50 state votes. In the Senate, each senator gets one vote to pick the vice president, with 51 votes needed to determine a winner.

The Founding Fodder's Total Ignorance of Political Reality

But if a state has an even number of votes, half Democrat and half Republican, it can't vote in the House election at all unless someone switches his Party affiliation. So another deadlock.

Their original stupidity was even worse: whoever came in second would be Vice-President. So Hillary would've been Trump's and Trump would've been Biden's. Yet we're supposed to glorify these scheming clowns as if they were sacred Evangelists, and bow down to their elitist Constitution the way Fundamentalist worship the Bible.

 

[22lcidw]

Not gonna happen. Nebraska not gonna go for it.

Another shill in Nebraska acting as a Republican helping the Progs.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

What if trump won the house vote and Waltz won the Senate vote?

I'd laugh my ass off.

 

[postman]

IF there is a tie then the President VP breaks the tie.

The Constitution doesn't say that.

The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

It depends what the meaning of "they" is.

 

[postman]

The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

They is the Senate. No mention of the VP breaking any tie in the Electoral College.

And the EC votes are counted in the Senate.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

It depends what the meaning of "they" is.

The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

 

[CrazyTrader55]

Here's a tidbit I just saw:
Plus, Washington, DC, which gets three votes in the Electoral College, would be cut out of the contingent election.

GOOD. DC shouldn't get electoral votes at all. It should be merged with Maryland or Virginia as it's over represented right now.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And the EC votes are counted in the Senate.

Right. Votes by "not the Senate" are counted in the Senate.

 

[postman]

The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

Two independent clauses. They actually have nothing to do with each other than being said in the same sentence.

Take this from the Constitution: The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

Does being commander in chief have anything to do with pardons?

NO!!!