Young people are computer nuts

The older gentleman who runs the local Carhartt outlet with his wife around here does everything with a calculator and a notepad/pencil. Totally caught me off-guard the first time I saw him doing it when I went to pay for my stuff.
 
Computers ain't the problem IMO (they factually make things a lot easier) - but people who melt down their brains via watching Media apps, You-tube garbage and similar all day long, are more then worrisome.
They ARE the problem in some cases, .....Read the OP.
 
The point is the dealer could have had his name, address & phone # (IN LARGE TYPE) as the first thing at the top of the first page. Why the barriers ?
/---/ Because used car dealers would rather pull a scam than run an open, honest business. In the professional sales industries, they are the bottom of the barrel.
It's generally for those who can't get a job doing anything else. High-end luxury car salespeople are the exception. Strictly professional. They have to be. Their wealthy clients won't put up with that crap.
 
It may be that the devices/programs/Apps that he can use to do business demand such barriers.

I am increasingly finding this out.
Then he shouldn't be using it. As a former business owner, I know that you do not do what will be an obstacle (IN ANY WAY) to your customers to getting their money to you.
 
/---/ It's not the computers. It's the websites causing the problems.
Of course that is correct. But lately it seem that these kind of problematic websites, with all these passwords et al barriers, are synonomous with computers.
 
Computers are a massive convenience. The internet might be the greatest invention in human history besides language itself.

I remember a door to door salesman selling encyclopedias. Now, right at our fingertips all the worlds information is available. It's incredible.

It has it's drawbacks and social media is one of them at times, but, if used properly and efficiently, computers with the internet are civilization changing. The Communication Age is real
Off Topic - the point is the websites are NOT set up properly so as to be used efficiently, They are as INefficient as could be.

Again, you don't do what will HINDER your customers from buying your stuff.
 
Of course that is correct. But lately it seem that these kind of problematic websites, with all these passwords et al barriers, are synonomous with computers.
I meant "synonomous, by way of numerically.
 
Off Topic - the point is the websites are NOT set up properly so as to be used efficiently, They are as INefficient as could be.

Again, you don't do what will HINDER your customers from buying your stuff.
/----/ I know some small businesses that used a family member who knew the basics of programming to build their website. They were either too cheap, didn't have the money, or didn't know any better to hire a top notch wesite builder.
 
/----/ I know some small businesses that used a family member who knew the basics of programming to build their website. They were either too cheap, didn't have the money, or didn't know any better to hire a top notch wesite builder.
Could be those were the problems here.
 
Definition of this thread > "Young people" - anybody under 60.
And the worst part of it is, they don't realize how absolutely nuts they are. Now, in most things, they are perfectly OK, and no different than any other generation. But people under 60 have one thing that they are obsessed with, and is ruining life for all the rest of us >> COMPUTERS.

Somehow the younger generations have gotten into their heads that EVERYTHING has to be done with a computer. Worse yet, all the thing being done by computers have to have obstacles put in front of the computer user, in order to do whatever he/she is trying to do. These roadblocks, barriers, or whatever anyone wants to call them are > user names, passwords, approval numbers, etc.

Here is how idiotic this gets. Yesterday, I went online to try to find a used car for a friend of mine. So I put in the search box "cheap used cars for sale". OK. So I found some URLs, each with a short description. I chose one that was entitled Used cars under $5,000. So far so good.

Then I scanned through the listings and picked out car of a reputable brand and model, relatively low miles considering the price and year, and with lots of photos of the car. The car looked clean, inside & out. Still so far so good.

Then came the roadblocks. User name, password. Don't have any - this is the first time I've ever gone to this website. So I have to "register" in to the website in order to buy this car ? No. they let yuo come in as a "guest" but you have to click in with Google or Facebook. So I tried it with Google, Bingo. More user names & passwords needed. zcpuldnt recall these an ai want in my own home at the time.

Now, the website said i could receive an approval number sent to my email. LUCKILY, I had my cell phone handy so I could check my email there, and get this approval number without having to risk losing track of the minimized car sale website. got the approval number. Popped it in, and the website wouldn't accept it. Tried same number again. Nope. Went backwards and started the procedure to where I was asked to check my email. Did it again, and got a second approval number. This one worked.

So this brings us to the website of the actual dealer (supposed to be 3 miles from our apartment building). But the dealer still isn't revealing his name, address, or phone number (should have been the first thing we saw). Nope, more interrogation before we can get to that point. Now I'm being asked to enter my name. Done. Enter my address. Done, Enter my date of birth, Done, Enter my phone number. Nope.

At his point I said, forget it.

EARTH TO Young people who think you have to make everything be done with a computer: when you are selling something, you want to make it as EASY as possible for your customer to transfer his money from him to you. The last thing you should do to a customer with MONEY IN THE HAND is be putting up barriers in front of him. Pheeew! Buying a car is complicated enough, with having to have it checked by a mechanic, checking what you can check yourself, road test it, + all the red tape TTT (tax, title, tag), without having to jump though a dozen or more hoops on the computer.

As a former business owner and supervisor of 3 branch managers, I have never seen worse sales incompetence than in this pitiful case of an auto sale. Now I'm sure there will be some computer geek/wizards who will disagree and think the whole world should revolve around computers (as complicated as possible), but as computer astute as they many be, they are not up to going one on one against > COMMON SENSE.


I've been programming machines since I was about 17, beginning with programmable calculators on 1976. I was - I suppose - what would now be termed a "geek" but back then next to nobody had even seen a computer in person let alone used or owned a computer.

Lots has changed since then, back then in the 70s and even 80s being a computer programmer was somewhat elite, a bit like being a lawyer or even a doctor, some people were in awe and because computers were a mystery to most people and only really seen in science fiction, it was quite a unique experience, people would always be fascinated and ask about how fast they were, whether they could play chess well and if they would one day be intelligent.

Fast forward to today. A huge amount of public facing software is bad, poorly written, confusing, riddled with weird bugs and poorly thought out workflows and as you point out often an endless series of hurdles just to do something basic.

It will not get better, now that any tit with half a brain can get a job writing websites and so on, the quality continues to decline and the confusion increase.

Its far too easy to produce and expose crappy websites with all kinds of weird behaviors, most recently I read about the DOGE website and it too was riddled with issues and security problems, this is the norm now, computers everywhere and terrible software running on them. People build these sites with very little understanding of the user's needs and expectations, they just cobble something together and expect user's to find the problems.
 
Definition of this thread > "Young people" - anybody under 60.
I would have said anyone under 50.

So this brings us to the website of the actual dealer (supposed to be 3 miles from our apartment building). But the dealer still isn't revealing his name, address, or phone number (should have been the first thing we saw). Nope, more interrogation before we can get to that point. Now I'm being asked to enter my name. Done. Enter my address. Done, Enter my date of birth, Done, Enter my phone number. Nope. At his point I said, forget it.

Notice that too, eh? Everyone directs you to a website, a website that isolates you from the actual supplier, which then pumps you for maximum information essentially telling them everything about yourself giving up all rights and privacy, before you even find out enough to realize you're not interested in doing business with them, then they still have all your private data and you got nothing--- maybe still not even the name, address and number of the company you were dealing with, but now they know what year your hamster died.
 
/---/ I'm 73 and spent 36 years in B2B sales.
You sure are one old coot. :SMILEW~130:

As a car guy from the 60s, $5,000 in those days got you a new Caddy or Lincoln.
Hell, as a kid, I remember by neighbor's dad buying a Caddy and it ran him $4,000. Going price for a nice average car then was about $2500.

You could buy one helluva nice bike for $999.
 
You sure are one old coot. :SMILEW~130:


Hell, as a kid, I remember by neighbor's dad buying a Caddy and it ran him $4,000. Going price for a nice average car then was about $2500.

You could buy one helluva nice bike for $999.
/—-/ Being an old coot beats the alternative— dying young. Yes prices were less back then, so were salaries.
 
/—-/ Being an old coot beats the alternative— dying young. Yes prices were less back then, so were salaries.

All very true, CB, still, I remember my dad buying me these medical encyclopedias when I was 5-6 years old, a new volume came out each month for a $1 apiece. A buck was no big deal in those days and that was considered cheap, and though my father wasn't rich, he bought me these books without argue (I still have them), yet today, that buck is worth over $10.00 each. In effect, my dad spent over $120 in today's money on that set of books, for a little kid's whimsical interest.

Despite increases in salaries, etc., somehow, we seemed to have more money back then than we do now.
 
I would have said anyone under 50.

Notice that too, eh? Everyone directs you to a website, a website that isolates you from the actual supplier, which then pumps you for maximum information essentially telling them everything about yourself giving up all rights and privacy, before you even find out enough to realize you're not interested in doing business with them, then they still have all your private data and you got nothing--- maybe still not even the name, address and number of the company you were dealing with, but now they know what year your hamster died.
What in the world company wants to do "business" like this ? Bizzare.
 
What in the world company wants to do "business" like this ? Bizzare.

I blame the government for allowing this to happen. Where are our rights? We are FORCED to own a computer, a back up computer, a computer cellphone, texting service, internet access, telephone access, and everything involved, and to keep it all floating, just to be able to live in the world today. These days after being forced to do business this way (100% electronically), you stand a better chance of getting ripped off, and never getting satisfaction than you do having a good business experience where you are treated with respect, get good service and a good product, just what you paid for and were promised.

But as to the why is simple: money. They have eliminated a great many people that used to be necessary to run the business and better still, most of the ones you have are low skilled, low pay, no benefits jobs.

Hey, if you're really lucky, most of those will be illegals. :smoke:

I just heard the figure that for the first time in several years now with Trump in office, more jobs are once again going to Americans than they are to illegal foreigners.
 

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