Zelenskiy made case for security guarantees at Paris meeting with Trump, but there are difficulties in realizing them

[BlackWizard91]

President Volodymyr Zelenskiy used his first meeting with Donald Trump since the U.S. election to explain Ukraine's need for security guarantees in any negotiated end to the war with Russia, two sources familiar with the Dec. 7 discussions said.

French President Emmanuel Macron hosted the meeting in Paris during which Ukraine's leader sought to build a rapport with Trump, whose promise to end the conflict swiftly has raised concerns in Kyiv that it could be largely on Moscow's terms.

The three leaders, who talked for 35 minutes without advisers in the Elysee's Golden Room, did not discuss specific details of any vision for peace, but Trump repeated that he wanted an immediate ceasefire and negotiations to end the war quickly.

The meeting offered some early clues as to how negotiations on ending the conflict might play out, although the process that would involve Russian President Vladimir Putin is fraught with difficulty and the role of the United States as yet unclear.

Kyiv has been pushing the outgoing U.S. administration for an invitation to join the NATO military alliance, having long made the case that it will need security guarantees to prevent any new Russian invasion later on.

"Some key points were mentioned during the meeting – for example, it was said that peace needs guarantees because a ceasefire alone isn't enough, Putin could break it again, as he has done before, without proper guarantees," a source in the Ukrainian president's office said.

But, in the circumstances, only Putin will dictate his terms to Ukraine because the Russian war and political machine is winning this battle on all fronts.​

 

[ColonelAngus]

Left wing commie cult fucks want anything but an end to the Ukraine war.

They love dead people from war.

LOVE IT…THEY LOVE WAR!

 

[rightwinger]

But, in the circumstances, only Putin will dictate his terms to Ukraine because the Russian war and political machine is winning this battle on all fronts.

Putin has started a war that he cannot win
He no longer has the troops or weapons to invade Ukraine.

But he knows Trump has a short attention span and can push him into a ceasefire that offers no protection for Ukraine

 

[ColonelAngus]

Can any of you sicko lefties explain why it is good FOR YOU that the Ukraine war continues?

Be specific.

 

[rightwinger]

Can any of you sicko lefties explain why it is good FOR YOU that the Ukraine war continues?

Be specific.

Because Russia is the biggest threat to America
Having Ukraine neutralize that threat makes us safer

Allowing Putin to conquer who he wants without consequences only encourages him

 

[EvilCat Breath]

If Russia is so weak that a small country like Ukraine can neutralize it, then Russia poses no threat to the United States. What's the real reason for this war?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Because Russia is the biggest threat to America
Having Ukraine neutralize that threat makes us safer

Allowing Putin to conquer who he wants without consequences only encourages him

So why do Obama and Biden keep encouraging and allow that?

Really weird

 

[rightwinger]

So why do Obama and Biden keep encouraging and allow that?

Really weird

What universe do you reside in?

Putin is facing severe consequences with 700,000 casualties and destruction of his tanks, helicopters, jets and Black Sea fleet

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Does Zelen$ky thinks he fooling ANYBODY with his war for BlackRock?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What universe do you reside in?

Putin is facing severe consequences with 700,000 casualties and destruction of his tanks, helicopters, jets and Black Sea fleet

Seriously out of your fucking mind. Ukraine has at least that many killed or wounded

 

[g5000]

Can any of you sicko lefties explain why it is good FOR YOU that the Ukraine war continues?

Be specific.

Well, when you are as ignorant as you are, it naturally follows you would say such stupid things.

1. There are 110 statues honoring Joseph Stalin in Russia. Putin has erected 95 of them. When you tards claim to be against leftists, you simply cannot be believed. Putin is trying to reconstitute the Soviet Union. You think that isn't a threat to our interests, and you parrot all of his bullshit talking points like good little comrades.

2. You tards whine about "rigged elections" and yet you support a dictator who has rigged elections to stay in power for a quarter of a century, and counting. There have not been free and fair elections in Russia since 1999. Putin has murdered or imprisoned anyone who is a threat to his continued dictatorship, and even rewrote the Russian constitution to stay in power. So fuck you and your whining about "rigged elections".

3. Ukraine is the breadbasket to the world. You want even higher prices for your groceries? Then let Putin gain control of a significant portion of the world's food supply in that vast agricultural land.
'
4. Ukraine is a trading partner to the US. We import iron, steel, inorganic chemicals, oil, iron and steel products, and agricultural products from Ukraine. We export coal, machinery, vehicles, agricultural products, fish, seafood, and aircraft to Ukraine.

5. We are benefitting from Putin's military being decimated. That makes the whole world safer. And we get to observe the strategy and tactics of the Russian war machine. That is invaluable information. Without a single American life put at risk. That is worth every penny we spend on Ukraine.


You should be embarrassed this has to be explained to you useful idiots, but you just don't have the intellect to be.

 

[rightwinger]

Seriously out of your fucking mind. Ukraine has at least that many killed or wounded

And Ukraine wants to keep on fighting

Ukraine is getting top of the line military equipment to kill Russians.
Russia is begging for hand me downs from N Korea

 

[AntonToo]

But, in the circumstances, only Putin will dictate his terms to Ukraine because the Russian war and political machine is winning this battle on all fronts.​

With "winning on all fronts" like this, who needs losing?

Russia’s rouble plunges to lowest rate since early weeks of Ukraine war

Rouble hit 110 against the dollar after US introduced sanctions against Gazprombank, Russia’s third largest bank

www.theguardian.com

Russia's daily losses in Ukraine pass grim new milestone: Kyiv

If accurate, the latest casualty figures make grim reading for Vladimir Putin, with record daily and monthly losses recorded.

www.newsweek.com

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-interest-rate-inflation-seen-higher-after-roubles-fall-2024-12-03/

https://finimize.com/content/russias-inflation-spike-puts-rate-hike-on-the-horizon

 

[ColonelAngus]

Well, when you are as ignorant as you are, it naturally follows you would say such stupid things.

1. There are 110 statues honoring Joseph Stalin in Russia. Putin has erected 95 of them. When you tards claim to be against leftists, you simply cannot be believed. Putin is trying to reconstitute the Soviet Union. You think that isn't a threat to our interests, and you parrot all of his bullshit talking points like good little comrades.

2. You tards whine about "rigged elections" and yet you support a dictator who has rigged elections to stay in power for a quarter of a century, and counting. There have not been free and fair elections in Russia since 1999. Putin has murdered or imprisoned anyone who is a threat to his continued dictatorship, and even rewrote the Russian constitution to stay in power. So fuck you and your whining about "rigged elections".

3. Ukraine is the breadbasket to the world. You want even higher prices for your groceries? Then let Putin gain control of a significant portion of the world's food supply in that vast agricultural land.
'
4. Ukraine is a trading partner to the US. We import iron, steel, inorganic chemicals, oil, iron and steel products, and agricultural products from Ukraine. We export coal, machinery, vehicles, agricultural products, fish, seafood, and aircraft to Ukraine.

5. We are benefitting from Putin's military being decimated. That makes the whole world safer. And we get to observe the strategy and tactics of the Russian war machine. That is invaluable information. Without a single American life put at risk. That is worth every penny we spend on Ukraine.


You should be embarrassed this has to be explained to you useful idiots, but you just don't have the intellect to be.

Now I see the COVID shot causes brain damage and retardation.

You should try to sue the maker of the sheep shot you took…OH, BUT YOU CANNOT…THEY HAVE IMMUNITY!!

Idiot

 

[rightwinger]

Well, when you are as ignorant as you are, it naturally follows you would say such stupid things.

1. There are 110 statues honoring Joseph Stalin in Russia. Putin has erected 95 of them. When you tards claim to be against leftists, you simply cannot be believed. Putin is trying to reconstitute the Soviet Union. You think that isn't a threat to our interests, and you parrot all of his bullshit talking points like good little comrades.

2. You tards whine about "rigged elections" and yet you support a dictator who has rigged elections to stay in power for a quarter of a century, and counting. There have not been free and fair elections in Russia since 1999. Putin has murdered or imprisoned anyone who is a threat to his continued dictatorship, and even rewrote the Russian constitution to stay in power. So fuck you and your whining about "rigged elections".

3. Ukraine is the breadbasket to the world. You want even higher prices for your groceries? Then let Putin gain control of a significant portion of the world's food supply in that vast agricultural land.
'
4. Ukraine is a trading partner to the US. We import iron, steel, inorganic chemicals, oil, iron and steel products, and agricultural products from Ukraine. We export coal, machinery, vehicles, agricultural products, fish, seafood, and aircraft to Ukraine.

5. We are benefitting from Putin's military being decimated. That makes the whole world safer. And we get to observe the strategy and tactics of the Russian war machine. That is invaluable information. Without a single American life put at risk. That is worth every penny we spend on Ukraine.


You should be embarrassed this has to be explained to you useful idiots, but you just don't have the intellect to be.

 

[g5000]

Now I see the COVID shot causes brain damage and retardation.

You should try to sue the maker of the sheep shot you took…OH, BUT YOU CANNOT…THEY HAVE IMMUNITY!!

Idiot

Is that all you got, tard?

Sad.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

And Ukraine wants to keep on fighting

Ukraine is getting top of the line military equipment to kill Russians.
Russia is begging for hand me downs from N Korea

Whatever

Believe the lies

Ukraine and BlackRock are both fucking finished

 

[ColonelAngus]

The left wing cucks in this thread think Iraq had WMDs.

 

[rightwinger]

Whatever

Believe the lies

Ukraine and BlackRock are both fucking finished

Prove otherwise

Putin has lost 700,000 casualties, thousands of tanks, his logistics is shot, his troops are deserting

The ruble is worth less than a penny today

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Well, when you are as ignorant as you are, it naturally follows you would say such stupid things.

1. There are 110 statues honoring Joseph Stalin in Russia. Putin has erected 95 of them. When you tards claim to be against leftists, you simply cannot be believed. Putin is trying to reconstitute the Soviet Union. You think that isn't a threat to our interests, and you parrot all of his bullshit talking points like good little comrades.

2. You tards whine about "rigged elections" and yet you support a dictator who has rigged elections to stay in power for a quarter of a century, and counting. There have not been free and fair elections in Russia since 1999. Putin has murdered or imprisoned anyone who is a threat to his continued dictatorship, and even rewrote the Russian constitution to stay in power. So fuck you and your whining about "rigged elections".

3. Ukraine is the breadbasket to the world. You want even higher prices for your groceries? Then let Putin gain control of a significant portion of the world's food supply in that vast agricultural land.
'
4. Ukraine is a trading partner to the US. We import iron, steel, inorganic chemicals, oil, iron and steel products, and agricultural products from Ukraine. We export coal, machinery, vehicles, agricultural products, fish, seafood, and aircraft to Ukraine.

5. We are benefitting from Putin's military being decimated. That makes the whole world safer. And we get to observe the strategy and tactics of the Russian war machine. That is invaluable information. Without a single American life put at risk. That is worth every penny we spend on Ukraine.


You should be embarrassed this has to be explained to you useful idiots, but you just don't have the intellect to be.