Zelenskiy made case for security guarantees at Paris meeting with Trump, but there are difficulties in realizing them

[CrusaderFrank]

People suddenly start to die en mass anywhere Russians come to supposedly save someone.

Strange coincidence, right?

No deaths to speak of before Russians invade eastern Ukraine in 2014. Then Girkin and other Russian lead militants start taking over cities like Sloviansk and it's tens of thousands dead.

Conflict casulaties between 2019 and 2022 can be counted on hands, but as soon as "saviors" come over in 2022 it's hundreds of thousands dead and leveled cities as far as the eye can see.

Behold all the SAVING:

^ After the Maiden Coup

Also, neglects to count 14,000 Russians murdered by Ukie Nazis in his "figgering"

 

[Rigby5]

Putin has started a war that he cannot win
He no longer has the troops or weapons to invade Ukraine.

But he knows Trump has a short attention span and can push him into a ceasefire that offers no protection for Ukraine

False.
Putin did not at all "start" this war and it was the US that toppled the legal government in 2014 with bribes.
The war is over treaty violations by Kyiv that amount to acts of war.
Like trying to stop Russian use of Sevastopol, trying to join NATO, murdering over 30k ethnic Russian natives of the Ukraine, etc.
The Ukraine used to have Russian nukes, so is inside the Russian defense grid.
That means if US nukes were installed there, they could not be detected before detonation.
So obviously Russia can never allow the Ukraine to join NATO.
Russia would be forced to nuke the US first, if that ever appeared possible.

Biden added $7 trillion to the national debt over these wars, and clearly we are the one who "cannot win".
Russia can easily win by taking their time until we go bankrupt and BRICS becomes the international currency.
The Ukraine has no weapons of their own, and will then have to surrender completely.

 

[rightwinger]

False.
Putin did not at all "start" this war and it was the US that toppled the legal government in 2014 with bribes.
The war is over treaty violations by Kyiv that amount to acts of war.
Like trying to stop Russian use of Sevastopol, trying to join NATO, murdering over 30k ethnic Russian natives of the Ukraine, etc.
The Ukraine used to have Russian nukes, so is inside the Russian defense grid.
That means if US nukes were installed there, they could not be detected before detonation.
So obviously Russia can never allow the Ukraine to join NATO.
Russia would be forced to nuke the US first, if that ever appeared possible.

Biden added $7 trillion to the national debt over these wars, and clearly we are the one who "cannot win".
Russia can easily win by taking their time until we go bankrupt and BRICS becomes the international currency.
The Ukraine has no weapons of their own, and will then have to surrender completely.

Putin sent his tanks across the border unprovoked killing hundreds of thousands.

Means he started it

 

[Rigby5]

Prove otherwise

Putin has lost 700,000 casualties, thousands of tanks, his logistics is shot, his troops are deserting

The ruble is worth less than a penny today

Those "casualties" are mostly minor injuries that do not prevent future service.
The tanks lost were mostly obsolete, like T-72s, that were sacrificed to make the US spend trillions.
Putin has more support than ever, since the Ukraine offenses have all failed to retake any territory.
The value of the ruble on the world market is irrelevant since Russia does not conduct international trade.
And the internal market in Russia is booming better than ever.
You are listening to propaganda.
Russia did not start this war.
The US did by using Hunter to bribe the 2014 coup.

 

[Rigby5]

Putin sent his tanks across the border unprovoked killing hundreds of thousands.

Means he started it

Wrong.
Putin was warning the US and the Ukraine about trying to join NATO since 1991.
It was Zelensky who cut off negotiations with Moscow.
Moscow was willing to keep negotiating forever.

The traitor generals in Kyiv who ousted the elected government in 2014 are the criminals.

If you knew history, you would know Kyiv used to be the capital of Russia.
The Ukraine has always historically been Russian and it was illegal for the Treaty of Versailles to take it away.

 

[rightwinger]

Wrong.
Putin was warning the US and the Ukraine about trying to join NATO since 1991.
It was Zelensky who cut off negotiations with Moscow.
Moscow was willing to keep negotiating forever.

The traitor generals in Kyiv who ousted the elected government in 2014 are the criminals.

If you knew history, you would know Kyiv used to be the capital of Russia.
The Ukraine has always historically been Russian and it was illegal for the Treaty of Versailles to take it away.

Ukraine was not going to join NATO

Now they have to
Just like Finland and Sweden

 

[AntonToo]

^ After the Maiden Coup

Also, neglects to count 14,000 Russians murdered by Ukie Nazis in his "figgering"

What about Maidan? It was an internal Ukranian matter that had nothing to do with ethnicity or killing people.


14,000 is a death toll from Russian invasion of Eastern Ukraine that began with Russian led separatists violent take over of cities like Sloviansk.

Here is a prominent Russian millitant who led them, explaining to you very clearly who started the war:

Russia's Igor Strelkov: I Am Responsible for War in Eastern Ukraine

Russian national Igor Strelkov, a former commander of pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine, has claimed personal responsibility for unleashing the conflict in which 4,300 people have been killed since April.

www.themoscowtimes.com

 

[Ret Old Man]

I wouldn't give Zelnsky the time of day, he campaigned for Kamala Harris and now he is currying up to Trump.

 

[AntonToo]

I wouldn't give Zelnsky the time of day, he campaigned for Kamala Harris and now he is currying up to Trump.

...because his country is at war and at the end of the day he needs American support no matter who wins our domestic elections.

 

[otto105]

Left wing commie cult fucks want anything but an end to the Ukraine war.

They love dead people from war.

LOVE IT…THEY LOVE WAR!

You want a sellout of the Peoples of Ukraine to a dictator because you're a fuckup.

You want less freedom for them for daddy leader.

 

[otto105]

I wouldn't give Zelnsky the time of day, he campaigned for Kamala Harris and now he is currying up to Trump.

Yeah, you're an ill moral piece of old shit.