ALL 11 Alternate (Fake) Electors, Including GOP Chair Kelli Ward, Indicted In Arizona!

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yet there's apparently a process to deal with multiple slates according to your leftie buddies in here, take it up with them.

Uh, no, I don't have to account for your confusion. That's your problem.

 

[OldFlame]

Nope. That's what you're claiming.

No I'm asking questions that go beyond what you've been told and you don't know how to answer them.

 

[Faun]

Details matter, as you're finding out.

Sorry, your strawman doesn't matter. Again, attempting to commit a crime, even if unsuccessful, is still a crime.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

No one knows the answer to that since it's never happened before as far as I'm aware. Had Pence gone through with it, no doubt that would have gone to the SCOTUS to figure out.

The Eastman Plan was to get it into the House and have the Republican be totally united in determining Trump the winner based on fraudulent certificates of electors from seven states creating neither party meeting the 270 threshold . All based on the Constitution except for the Fraud.

The crimes are knowingly with intent to defraud the United States of America and every person who voted for Biden

 

[OldFlame]

Again, it was uncharted water. He might have. All the Constitution states is:

the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;​

Sorry, I just find it hilarious what you are suggesting would have happened, as would anyone with logic and reasoning capabilities. But they count on their cult to not put much thought into anything they do.

 

[Faun]

Really, really bad analogy. Has no comparison to what we are discussing at all.

Try harder. It's a perfect analogy. You're trying to claim there was no crime because it was impossible for those fake electors to be counted. I'm giving you an apples/'apples analogy with another attempted crime with no possibility of success -- and it's still a crime.

 

[mudwhistle]

A state grand jury in Arizona on Wednesday indicted so-called "fake electors" who backed then-President Donald Trump in 2020, following a sprawling investigation into the alleged efforts to overturn Joe Biden’s win in the presidential election in the state.

Among those charged is Kelli Ward, who served as chair of the Arizona GOP during the 2020 election and the immediate aftermath. She tweeted on Jan. 6, 2021, after the attack on the U.S. Capitol: “Congress is adjourned. Send the elector choice back to the legislatures.” Ward was a consistent propagator of false claims that Arizona’s election results were rigged.

Others charged include: state legislators Anthony Kern and Jake Hoffman; Michael Ward, Kelli Ward’s husband; Tyler Bowyer, the RNC’s Arizona committeeman and the chief operating officer of the Trump-aligned Turning Point USA; Greg Safsten, the former Arizona GOP executive director; former U.S. Senate candidate Jim Lamon; Robert Montgomery, the former head of the Cochise County GOP; and Republican Party activists Samuel Moorhead, Nancy Cottle and Loraine Pellegrino.

Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes, a Democrat, won her election to be the state’s chief prosecutor in November 2022, replacing Republican Mark Brnovich, a one-time ally of Trump who later earned the former president’s scorn for not substantiating Trump’s claims of election fraud in the state.

“We have to make sure that it’s clear to everyone it’s unacceptable to try to steal an election, to undermine and overthrow an election, and that’s what happened,” Mayes told MSNBC last year after her election victory. “We have to make sure what happened in 2020 never happens again.”

Trump’s 2020 'fake electors' charged with state crimes in Arizona

The indictments follow an investigation led by Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes, a Democrat, into efforts to subvert the results of the 2020 election.

www.nbcnews.com

Could one of the unindicted co conspirators be Donald Trump?

Looks like Rudy Giulliani is one on the co conspirators. It's just getting worse and worse, and it's only April boys and girls.

Holy shit. It is worse.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/04/24/arizona-2020-election-charges-meadows-giuliani-ellis/

They're using an invented phrase to trash a legit election tactic that Democrats were contemplating using when Trump was elected in 2016.

Democrats want to make it illegal for Republicans to openly say they were robbed in a stolen election, yet every time they lose they do the same or worse.

 

[Faun]

You need to know Saint Oldfame that Eastman is indicted in the Georgia and Arizona Republican Election Fraud Cases.



See NFBW Post #447 in this thread.

See NFBW Oct 25, 2021 Post #319 in “Liz Cheney says Trump appears to have been ‘personally involved in planning’ 6 Jan insurrection”. Thread!!!!!!The

{ EASTMAN tells DJT It’s disruptive>>>}4. Howls, of course, from the Democrats, who now claim, contrary to Tribe’s prior position, that 270 is required. So Pence says, fine. Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the matter to the House, where the “the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote . . . .” Republicans currently control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote. President Trump is re-elected there as well.



Saint Oldflame submits that the above two points is what destroys my theory.

That is not my theory. It became Trump’s theory that inspired him to seek and find coconspirators in seven states and his job was to convince Pence to go along with it.

Trump took the Eastman Plan and put it into action so that he could tell the mob on J6 that if they go to the Capitol and fight like hell and if Mike Pence finds his MAGA balls then MAGA wins the 2020 election and Joe Biden will not be inaugurated ever .

And I believe Eastman already pleaded guilty to at least one of the indictments against him.

 

[OldFlame]

Sorry, your strawman doesn't matter. Again, attempting to commit a crime, even if unsuccessful, is still a crime.

There is no earthly way what you are describing could have ever been successful, not to mention that you've all contradicted each other about what is legal and what is not, what there is a process for and what there is not. It's been very amusing to say the least.

 

[OldFlame]

The Eastman Plan was to get it into the House and have the Republican be totally united in determining Trump the winner based on fraudulent certificates of electors from seven states creating neither party meeting the 270 threshold . All based on the Constitution except for the Fraud.

The crimes are knowingly with intent to defraud the United States of America and every person who voted for Biden

Talk about cult conspiracy theories, this one takes the cake!

 

[Independentthinker]

A state grand jury in Arizona on Wednesday indicted so-called "fake electors" who backed then-President Donald Trump in 2020, following a sprawling investigation into the alleged efforts to overturn Joe Biden’s win in the presidential election in the state.

Among those charged is Kelli Ward, who served as chair of the Arizona GOP during the 2020 election and the immediate aftermath. She tweeted on Jan. 6, 2021, after the attack on the U.S. Capitol: “Congress is adjourned. Send the elector choice back to the legislatures.” Ward was a consistent propagator of false claims that Arizona’s election results were rigged.

Others charged include: state legislators Anthony Kern and Jake Hoffman; Michael Ward, Kelli Ward’s husband; Tyler Bowyer, the RNC’s Arizona committeeman and the chief operating officer of the Trump-aligned Turning Point USA; Greg Safsten, the former Arizona GOP executive director; former U.S. Senate candidate Jim Lamon; Robert Montgomery, the former head of the Cochise County GOP; and Republican Party activists Samuel Moorhead, Nancy Cottle and Loraine Pellegrino.

Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes, a Democrat, won her election to be the state’s chief prosecutor in November 2022, replacing Republican Mark Brnovich, a one-time ally of Trump who later earned the former president’s scorn for not substantiating Trump’s claims of election fraud in the state.

“We have to make sure that it’s clear to everyone it’s unacceptable to try to steal an election, to undermine and overthrow an election, and that’s what happened,” Mayes told MSNBC last year after her election victory. “We have to make sure what happened in 2020 never happens again.”

Trump’s 2020 'fake electors' charged with state crimes in Arizona

The indictments follow an investigation led by Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes, a Democrat, into efforts to subvert the results of the 2020 election.

www.nbcnews.com

Could one of the unindicted co conspirators be Donald Trump?

Looks like Rudy Giulliani is one on the co conspirators. It's just getting worse and worse, and it's only April boys and girls.

Holy shit. It is worse.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/04/24/arizona-2020-election-charges-meadows-giuliani-ellis/

Imagine that, after all this time they decide to indict just before the 2024 election. What a coincidence!

 

[mudwhistle]

The Eastman Plan was to get it into the House and have the Republican be totally united in determining Trump the winner based on fraudulent certificates of electors from seven states creating neither party meeting the 270 threshold . All based on the Constitution except for the Fraud.

The crimes are knowingly with intent to defraud the United States of America and every person who voted for Biden

The only fraud I see here is that Biden actually got 81 million legitimate votes when we keep finding out he didn't.

 

[OldFlame]

Try harder. It's a perfect analogy. You're trying to claim there was no crime because it was impossible for those fake electors to be counted. I'm giving you an apples/'apples analogy with another attempted crime with no possibility of success -- and it's still a crime.

'Fake electors to be counted' - sheer lunacy.

 

[Faun]

Pence announces that he has multiple slates of electors to Congress... yet multiple slates are illegal. You people are brain dead.

Now you're conflating state crimes with federal crimes.

 

[Faun]

No I'm asking questions that go beyond what you've been told and you don't know how to answer them.

No, you've taken the position that it's not a crime because it was impossible for those fake electors to be counted.

 

[OldFlame]

Now you're conflating state crimes with federal crimes.

Nope. You're the ones claiming Pence will announce that he has multiple slates from one state to congress, while claiming that multiple slates are illegal. That he can choose between a legal slate and an illegal one, that he can throw a legal one out and count the illegal one. Insanity.

 

[OldFlame]

No, you've taken the position that it's not a crime because it was impossible for those fake electors to be counted.

Hey, we're making progress here, at least you're now admitting it was impossible for them to be counted. You think the people that supposedly tried to put forth this plot didn't know that?

 

[Faun]

Sorry, I just find it hilarious what you are suggesting would have happened, as would anyone with logic and reasoning capabilities. But they count on their cult to not put much thought into anything they do.

Wrong. Eastman planned for that too...

4. Howls, of course, from the Democrats, who now claim, contrary to Tribe’s prior position, that 270 is required. So Pence says, fine. Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the matter to the House, where the “the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote . . . .” Republicans currently control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote. President Trump is re-elected there as well.

5. One last piece. Assuming the Electoral Count Act process is followed and, upon getting the objections to the Arizona slates, the two houses break into their separate chambers, we should not allow the Electoral Count Act constraint on debate to control. That would mean that a prior legislature was determining the rules of the present one — a constitutional no-no (as Tribe has forcefully argued). So someone – Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc. – should demand normal rules (which includes the filibuster). That creates a stalemate that would give the state legislatures more time to weigh in to formally support the alternate slate of electors, if they had not already done so.

6. The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission – either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court. Let the other side challenge his actions in court, where Tribe (who in 2001 conceded the President of the Senate might be in charge of counting the votes) and others who would press a lawsuit would have their past position -- that these are non-justiciable political questions – thrown back at them, to get the lawsuit dismissed. The fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the ultimate arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind.​

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Pence announces that he has multiple slates of electors to Congress... yet multiple slates are illegal. You people are brain dead.

Multiple slates are not illegal if a state has not resolved all disputes prior the “Safe Harbor” deadline in mid December 2020z

Trump lied on J6 that those seven states wanted their certificates back which was also part of the fraudulent attempt to convince Pence not to count those seven stars and declare Trump/Pence the winner which would have thrown the entire 2020 election into chaos all entirely based upon Trump’s lies that began on election night before all the votes were even counted.

 

[Faun]

They're using an invented phrase to trash a legit election tactic that Democrats were contemplating using when Trump was elected in 2016.

Democrats want to make it illegal for Republicans to openly say they were robbed in a stolen election, yet every time they lose they do the same or worse.

No one is making it illegal for anyone to say they were robbed in a stolen election. Who knows where you go for your bizarre news?