Birthright Citizenship Causes Illegal Immigration

[Independent thinker]

Have you read the 14th Amendment? It's worded pretty clearly and it doesn't mention slaves at all. Not even once you illiterate Bingo. It does say All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside. What's unclear about that? Don't projectect your Bingo education on to the rest of us. All those words are pretty clear to me. Do you need me to explain to you what All people means?

Ummmmmmmmmmm, illegals come across the borders but do not reside in a state until after the fact.

 

[Independent thinker]

There is no ambiguity in the words All persons born. That's incredibly clear. You can pretend to be the biggest Bingo in all the land and it won't change that.

Your feelings on the State of the country today have no bearing on who does and doesn't get to be a citizen. Nor should it. Sorry snowflake.

Wait which time do we have to give context to again? Back then when the law was written or today? You seem thoroughly confused. Your argument is the same one gun control advocates make about semiautomatic weapons today and the muskets that existed during the adoption of the 2nd.

No one had to enter the country illegally, they just entered. Everyone here is a descendant of an immigrant.

It also says in the state they reside but when illegals cross the border they are not residing in a state.

 

[dblack]

Conservatives' unwarranted hostility to the Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment is motivated by racism, bigotry, and hate – hence the lie that the Citizenship Clause ‘facilitates’ undocumented immigrants entering the country.

It’s about racist, bigoted, hateful conservatives wanting to keep black and Hispanic immigrants out, about keeping Spanish speakers out, and it’s about white grievance politics and racist replacement theory.

Yeah. You said that already. But you still haven't really given a good justification for birthright citizenship. Most nations don't have it.

 

[Independent thinker]

It's very clearly written.

Yes it is. It says these people have to be residing in a state but when they cross the border illegally, they are not residing in a state.

 

[Independent thinker]

Then change the Constitution. You do not get to just ignore the parts you do not like

Don't have to change it. We just need the Supreme Court to interpret it.

 

[Independent thinker]

All persons is double speak? How much are you going to embarrass yourself you Bingo?

It clearly says "in the state they reside. Illegals aren't residing in a state when they cross the border.

 

[Independent thinker]

Wrong.

This fails as a post hoc fallacy.

Wrong.

This fails as a post hoc fallacy.

 

[Independent thinker]

There's no reason to talk about "interpretation ".. it's perfectly clear. Immigration was wide open in 1866.

So, you're afraid of the SC interpreting it?

 

[Unkotare]

They aren't hurt nearly as bad by refugees as they are by hearless [sic] REPUBLICAN policies.

Are you saying that Republicans can't hear?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Don't have to change it. We just need the Supreme Court to interpret it.

Which is the same thing, just you get around the rules for making the changes.

Just get the SCOTUS to change their mind about what it means and BOOM, the constitution is changed.

What fun the Left can have next time they have a majority on the court.

 

[Unkotare]

So, you agree, now would be a good time?

I "agree" that if the matter had any merit it would have been reconsidered by the court by now. Why do you think it hasn't been?

 

[Unkotare]

Yeah. You said that already. But you still haven't really given a good justification for birthright citizenship. Most nations don't have it.

Most Americans don't give a shit about what "most nations" do.

 

[dblack]

Most Americans don't give a shit about what "most nations" do.

Fair enough. But that still doesn't really justify it.

In the past, I've tacitly supported the policy for pretty cynical reasons - I assumed it would overload the welfare state and collapse it.

But if it would silence the border whiners, why not get rid of it? What good is it serving?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

You have to examine the context of the time in which the amendment was written, they didn't have a crystal ball seeing hundreds of thousands of desperate people pouring into the country TAKING RESOURCES AWAY from poor American citizens. Birthright citizenship was never intended to be a carrot to entice these people to endanger themselves entering the country illegally.

Turning America Into a Coloring Book

Considering that the government at that time had just killed off 600,000 White people on behalf of Africans, its intent must have been even more White Replacement with anchor babies. After all, the ruling race-traitors had reduced the Army to a mere 25,000 men, proving that they didn't care if the Indigian savages slaughtered even more White people pioneering west of the Mississippi.

 

[MarathonMike]

They aren't hurt nearly as bad by refugees as they are by hearless REPUBLICAN policies.

What a weak attempt at deflection. FAIL

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

What illegal behavior has an infant US citizen engaged in?

Race Traitors Use Babies As Shields

If you buy a car that you have no way of knowing it was stolen, do you get to keep the car instead of letting the police return it to its real owner. Common sense, not the academic double-talk taught in Law School, would tell anybody who is not a mind slave that no one can get a right through illegal means, intentional or not.

 

[MarathonMike]

Turning America Into a Coloring Book

Considering that the government at that time had just killed off 600,000 White people on behalf of Africans, its intent must have been even more White Replacement with anchor babies. After all, the ruling race-traitors had reduced the Army to a mere 25,000 men, proving that they didn't care if the Indigian savages slaughtered even more White people pioneering west of the Mississippi.

That's a different subject, but you bring up some interesting points.

 

[Unkotare]

``Blood that has soaked into the sands of a beach is all of one color. America stands unique in the world: the only country not founded on race but on a way, an ideal. Not in spite of but because of our polyglot background, we have had all the strength in the world. That is the American way.''

 

[Unkotare]

Race Traitors Use Babies As Shields

...

Nobody but an idiotic anachronism uses expressions like "race traitor."

 

[MarathonMike]

``Blood that has soaked into the sands of a beach is all of one color. America stands unique in the world: the only country not founded on race but on a way, an ideal. Not in spite of but because of our polyglot background, we have had all the strength in the world. That is the American way.''

So let's just get rid of legal immigration. If bringing one hundred thousand unknown people into the country every month is fine then aren't we just wasting money and personnel on clunky old legal immigration?