Trump right again... We destroyed our economy for virtually nothing...

[Faun]

Oh come on! People are this stupid! Really? You really think people gurgled bleach? Really?? That would kill you. Yes it would.

Good grief....

Did people really drink bleach to prevent COVID-19? A guide for protecting survey data against problematic respondents

Survey respondents who are non-attentive, respond randomly, or misrepresent who they are can impact the outcomes of surveys. Prior findings reported by the CDC have suggested that people engaged in highly dangerous cleaning practices during the COVID-19 ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Survey respondents who are non-attentive, respond randomly, or misrepresent who they are can impact the outcomes of surveys. Prior findings reported by the CDC have suggested that people engaged in highly dangerous cleaning practices during the COVID-19 pandemic, including ingesting household cleaners such as bleach. In our attempts to replicate the CDC’s results, we found that 100% of reported ingestion of household cleaners are made by problematic respondents. Once inattentive, acquiescent, and careless respondents are removed from the sample, we find no evidence that people ingested cleaning products to prevent a COVID-19 infection. These findings have important implications for public health and medical survey research, as well as for best practices for avoiding problematic respondents in all survey research conducted online.

I thought we all knew those claims were bunk. I was assuming this was known. Apparently not. The CDC claims that people were gurgling bleach, could not be replicated by anyone. No one could find these people who gurgling bleach.

The number was more than one and it was out of the number of people with covid at that time, not every single man, woman & child in the U.S..

 

[braalian]

Trump was “forced” to declare the emergency by the Dems?

Huh. Well, guess he’s a pussy then

 

[Ringo]

 

[Dagosa]

Deniers and Trumpers had the chance……they blew it. Trump had no intention building a wall, or improving* healthcare or doing infrastructure. Nothing. For two years when in full power he focused on tax cuts..,.that was it.
Now deniers and Trumpers complain….amazing.

 

[Ringo]

Financial Times:
The largest European banks still operating in Russia paid more than €800 million in taxes to the Russian budget in 2023, four times more than before the war.

Raiffeisen Bank International, Unicredit, ING, Commerzbank, Deutsche Bank, Intesa Sanpaol, etc., have all gotten rich.

 

[dudmuck]

Yes, we see you flopping around saying Trump had never taken Covid seriously... ever... and then magically when we say Covid wasn't as bad as left-wingers claimed it was based on the stats which prove that, you claim Trump declaring an emergency proves Covid was as big a problem as you claim.

So you just flip flop around spinning any narrative that fits the moment. Trump never was serious on covid, but Trump declaring an emergency proves how serious covid was.

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[Andylusion]

He did a better job than Biden by any standard.

 

[Andylusion]

The number was more than one and it was out of the number of people with covid at that time, not every single man, woman & child in the U.S..

Nonsense.

 

[Faun]

He did a better job than Biden by any standard.

Jobs:
Trump ... -2.6 million
Biden ..... +15 million

Nope, not there.

Annualized real GDP:

Trump .... 1.8%
Biden ...... 3.0%

Nope, not there either.

 

[Andylusion]

Jobs:
Trump ... -2.6 million
Biden ..... +15 million

Nope, not there.

Annualized real GDP:

Trump .... 1.8%
Biden ...... 3.0%

Nope, not there either.

What did Trump have to do with the lock downs pushed by states? Or covid?

So you are being intellectually dishonest blaming Trump for things he had nothing do with.

If you compare the economy before Covid, it was better. I was better off under Trump. I don't know anyone who wasn't.

 

[dudmuck]

Jobs:
Trump ... -2.6 million
Biden ..... +15 million

Nope, not there.

Annualized real GDP:

Trump .... 1.8%
Biden ...... 3.0%

Nope, not there either.

the subject here is Trump's pandemic response. What is relevant today is that Trump recently said he would disband the pandemic response team again if gains office.
So, then how do they claim Trump did a good job with covid if there was no pandemic response team in the white house?

 

[AntonToo]

What did Trump have to do with the lock downs pushed by states? Or covid?

Ooooh I see what you are saying.

Trump did better than Biden at everything...because bad economic developments are only President's fault if President's name is Biden.

 

[Andylusion]

the subject here is Trump's pandemic response. What is relevant today is that Trump recently said he would disband the pandemic response team again if gains office.
So, then how do they claim Trump did a good job with covid if there was no pandemic response team in the white house?

Because he did? You don't need the team to respond. And he did respond.
I don't even understand your logic.

We already have the CDC which started screenings at JFK on Jan 20th or 2020.

What action do you think required some sort of pandemic response team, when we already have the CDC? The CDC already has the authority needed to take actions.

Trump didn't need some stupid team, to have the CDC start screening people entering the country.

 

[Andylusion]

Ooooh I see what you are saying.

Trump did better than Biden at everything...because bad economic developments are only President's fault if President's name is Biden.

They are only the fault of the president if the president is the cause of the problem.

 

[Dagosa]

He did a better job than Biden by any standard.

Sure, that’s why he’s waiting trials and in the middle of another one. That’s why he keeps losing civil cases. He’s a real gem.

 

[AntonToo]

They are only the fault of the president if the president is the cause of the problem.

And since you are sure Biden (not Trump) caused global inflation, it's his fault and Trump is therefore better.

Right?

I'll let you know on a little secret - tribalist nutbags like you will always find some rationalization why nothing is ever [R]'s fault, and why everything is [D]'s fault.

 

[Andylusion]

And since you are sure Biden (not Trump) caused global inflation, it's his fault and Trump is therefore better.

Right?

I'll let you know on a little secret - tribalist nutbags like you will always find some rationalization why nothing is ever [R]'s fault, and why everything is [D]'s fault.

Yes, he is.

So let's look at the facts. You see that massive increase in the money supply in 2021?
That was Biden.
That's what facts show. So if you call "using facts to draw conclusions" to be your idea of 'rationalization', then we need a lot more rationalizing.

 

[dudmuck]

Because he did? You don't need the team to respond. And he did respond.
I don't even understand your logic.

We already have the CDC which started screenings at JFK on Jan 20th or 2020.

What action do you think required some sort of pandemic response team, when we already have the CDC? The CDC already has the authority needed to take actions.

Trump didn't need some stupid team, to have the CDC start screening people entering the country.

The pandemic response team has always been part of the NSC. They prepare for pandemics to quickly respond to contain outbreaks to minimize spread. Thus involves multiple agencies which are beyond the reach of CDC. Only the national security Council in the executive branch can coordinate this.

 

[Faun]

What did Trump have to do with the lock downs pushed by states? Or covid?

So you are being intellectually dishonest blaming Trump for things he had nothing do with.

If you compare the economy before Covid, it was better. I was better off under Trump. I don't know anyone who wasn't.

"Therefore, my administration is recommending that all Americans, including the young and healthy, work to engage in schooling from home when possible, avoid gathering in groups of more than 10 people, avoid discretionary travel and avoid eating and drinking in bars, restaurants, and public food courts." ~ Donald Trump, 3.16.2020​

 

[Andylusion]

The pandemic response team has always been part of the NSC. They prepare for pandemics to quickly respond to contain outbreaks to minimize spread. Thus involves multiple agencies which are beyond the reach of CDC. Only the national security Council in the executive branch can coordinate this.

Give me a specific example. Name something specific that the CDC could not do, that the pandemic response team could?
And then show that Trump did not do that action, because he didn't have a team?
And be specific.
This generalized answer is something that all government agencies use to justify their existence. I don't buy that.
Further, at the time there was no pandemic.

Further, what exactly is this team doing during the years where we don't have a pandemic?

They are sucking up government resources, while doing what exactly?
We had the Swine Flu in 2009, and then Covid in 2020.
What exactly do you think the pandemic response team is doing for 11 years?

This is actually one of the problems with left-wing ideology in my opinion. People complain they need more tax money, and yet we see hundreds of billions wasted with no value for our tax dollars, but you complain we don't want to pay more taxes.