Why do you believe that the rich deserve 90% +

Commies killed 100 million people, but they were all bad, eh comrade?
No, those figures are Western, capitalist Cold War propaganda, but for the sake of our friendly discussion, let's assume that we communists killed 100 million people. Saying that we did that, especially when you're a defender of capitalist-imperialism, doesn't mean shit. First of all, you have no moral high ground upon which to stand and point your crooked, feculent finger at me, because you capitalist-imperialists have killed just as many people, if not more, than us. Your mountain of dead, stinking rotting corpse is at least, just as high as ours. So fuck you Todd.

More...I'm not finished....Who are all of these dead people that communists dispatched into the aetherial dimension? Innocent little lambs like Todd and his buddies? Is it 100 million Todds? Sabateurs, burning fields, destroying farming equipment, tractors. Murdering communist teachers, officials, workers? Poor innocent little Todds, hmmm? Fuck off you hypocrite.
 
No, those figures are Western, capitalist Cold War propaganda, but for the sake of our friendly discussion, let's assume that we communists killed 100 million people. Saying that we did that, especially when you're a defender of capitalist-imperialism, doesn't mean shit. First of all, you have no moral high ground upon which to stand and point your crooked, feculent finger at me, because you capitalist-imperialists have killed just as many people, if not more, than us. Your mountain of dead, stinking rotting corpse is at least, just as high as ours. So fuck you Todd.

More...I'm not finished....Who are all of these dead people that communists dispatched into the aetherial dimension? Innocent little lambs like Todd and his buddies? Is it 100 million Todds? Sabateurs, burning fields, destroying farming equipment, tractors. Murdering communist teachers, officials, workers? Poor innocent little Todds, hmmm? Fuck off you hypocrite.
those are actual numbers proven and understood by every country on the planet,,
 
Can you understand that 10% > 0%, 12% > 0%, 22% > 0%, 24% > 0%, etc.?

Or perhaps let's put it this way:
  • The total money John received last year was $82,000
  • For Paul the total was $82,000
Who do you believe should pay more in taxes?

Received? How? Be specific.
 
No, those figures are Western, capitalist Cold War propaganda, but for the sake of our friendly discussion, let's assume that we communists killed 100 million people. Saying that we did that, especially when you're a defender of capitalist-imperialism, doesn't mean shit. First of all, you have no moral high ground upon which to stand and point your crooked, feculent finger at me, because you capitalist-imperialists have killed just as many people, if not more, than us. Your mountain of dead, stinking rotting corpse is at least, just as high as ours. So fuck you Todd.

More...I'm not finished....Who are all of these dead people that communists dispatched into the aetherial dimension? Innocent little lambs like Todd and his buddies? Is it 100 million Todds? Sabateurs, burning fields, destroying farming equipment, tractors. Murdering communist teachers, officials, workers? Poor innocent little Todds, hmmm? Fuck off you hypocrite.

What was the real number?
Is that why communism sucked? Too many saboteurs?

First of all, you have no moral high ground upon which to stand

I can stand on reality.
How many fled your commie paradise to capitalism?
How many fled from capitalism to your commie paradise?

Weird. It's almost like the people who knew communism best knew better than you.
 
capitalism has saved more lives and brought more people out of poverty than any other system,,

communism has killed more people and put more people in poverty than any other system,,
The opposite of what you're saying is true. Capitalist imperialism has ruined more lives and has started more wars than any other socioeconomic system in human history. It continues to do that right now, sending billions of dollars worth of weapons to Ukraine and to maintain our empire, with 700 military installations, including bases around the world. Of course, that money goes into the pockets of defense contractors that love war. Why do they love conflict? They profit from it. We need plenty of boobiemen, enemies that are supposedly trying to "Destroy America", "They're Hate Us, We Need To Deploy Our Troops There".



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"LET'S GET KIDS HOOKED ON A LIFETIME OF HORMONE TREATMENTS & EXPENSIVE SURGERIES" (Big Pharma/Capitalism)

Capitalism sucks, compares to communism. Communists don't do that shit, capitalists do:

Moreover, without socialism bailing out capitalism every few years with public funds, you wouldn't have an economy or market. Public funds is what keeps capitalists afloat:

RANKPARENTSUBSIDY VALUEsort iconNUMBER OF AWARDS
1Boeing$15,502,641,455957
2Intel$8,360,460,516128
3Ford Motor$7,742,056,086703
4General Motors$7,550,136,090786
5Micron Technology$6,856,681,91519
6Amazon.com$5,802,700,434455
7Alcoa$5,727,691,764134
8Cheniere Energy$5,617,152,52343
9Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)$4,820,110,11274
10Texas Instruments$4,286,328,86969
11Volkswagen$3,977,630,513216
12Sempra Energy$3,878,692,26451
13NRG Energy$3,405,383,876264
14Venture Global LNG$3,285,883,5666
15NextEra Energy$3,008,691,129116
16Sasol$2,836,049,84572
17Tesla Inc.$2,829,855,494114
18Stellantis$2,795,436,436213
19Nucor$2,538,761,123176
20Walt Disney$2,483,328,762255
21Iberdrola$2,380,558,984110
22Hyundai Motor$2,349,743,47018
23Oracle$2,272,418,28896
24Shell PLC$2,211,676,001132
25Samsung$2,178,196,44383
26Mubadala Investment Company$2,124,035,09762
27Toyota$2,111,010,689239
28Nike$2,104,917,829153
29Meta Platforms Inc.$2,098,261,27282
30Alphabet Inc.$2,054,325,527125
31Comcast$2,032,609,740398
32Paramount Global$1,973,256,854336
33Brookfield Corporation$1,969,735,585287
34Exxon Mobil$1,906,554,975227
35Apple Inc.$1,900,308,35963
36Nissan$1,892,314,16598
37Berkshire Hathaway$1,838,569,3731,194
38Summit Power$1,783,593,4146
39General Electric$1,779,446,759998
40JPMorgan Chase$1,762,150,6501,151
41Cleveland-Cliffs$1,705,497,604129
42Southern Company$1,694,958,17245
43Energy Transfer$1,680,794,666156
44Vornado Realty Trust$1,623,857,33633
45Duke Energy$1,580,421,86986
46Wolfspeed Inc.$1,564,430,56364
47Rivian Automotive Inc.$1,536,054,0125
48IBM Corp.$1,519,901,697368
49General Atomics$1,505,785,957111
50OGE Energy$1,427,570,18215
51SCS Energy$1,419,011,7965
52Panasonic$1,384,147,58461
53Microsoft$1,366,243,159113
54Lockheed Martin$1,337,674,082323
55Sagamore Development$1,320,000,0002
56Northrop Grumman$1,275,514,883284
57Corning Inc.$1,269,303,359400
58Vingroup$1,254,000,0001
59Continental AG$1,244,875,478111
60RTX Corporation$1,166,657,132781
61SK Holdings$1,081,550,2839
62Valero Energy$1,053,812,692207
63Dow Inc.$1,049,354,213640
64AES Corp.$1,039,510,135136
65Air Products & Chemicals$1,025,557,48288
66Exelon$986,892,87798
67CF Industries$982,271,715129
68Pyramid Companies$973,565,27893
69SkyWest$922,686,541339
70Centene$916,607,05459
71Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc.$900,000,0001
72Apollo Global Management$891,705,089592
73LG$883,168,46688
74Delta Air Lines$871,485,83313
75Jefferies Financial Group$871,137,33516
76Bayer$852,475,226217
77Honda$849,832,30192
78Shin-Etsu Chemical$828,683,936106
79Enterprise Products Partners$826,988,37189
80SunEdison$817,425,725115
81Goldman Sachs$800,873,386253
82Bank of America$796,947,128953
83E.ON$786,865,47340
84Warner Bros. Discovery Inc.$772,994,690218
85EDF-Electricite de France$766,205,55036
86Triple Five Worldwide$748,000,0004
87EDP-Energias de Portugal$733,674,86814
88Related Companies$714,675,5048
89Koch Industries$676,761,373498
90Caithness Energy$672,688,88830
91Dell Technologies$658,417,951185
92Wells Fargo$657,333,216542
93FedEx$647,035,546632
94Entergy$638,533,387235
95OCI N.V.$627,879,4065
96Chevron Phillips Chemical$619,839,44420
97Bedrock Detroit$618,000,0001
98Dominion Energy$615,436,08979
99Eli Lilly$601,741,36877


Socialism for the rich.
 
The opposite of what you're saying is true. Capitalist imperialism has ruined more lives and has started more wars than any other socioeconomic system in human history. It continues to do that right now, sending billions of dollars worth of weapons to Ukraine and to maintain our empire, with 700 military installations, including bases around the world. Of course, that money goes into the pockets of defense contractors that love war. Why do they love conflict? They profit from it. We need plenty of boobiemen, enemies that are supposedly trying to "Destroy America", "They're Hate Us, We Need To Deploy Our Troops There".



"LET'S GET KIDS HOOKED ON A LIFETIME OF HORMONE TREATMENTS & EXPENSIVE SURGERIES" (Big Pharma/Capitalism)

Capitalism sucks, compares to communism. Communists don't do that shit, capitalists do:

Moreover, without socialism bailing out capitalism every few years with public funds, you wouldn't have an economy or market. Public funds is what keeps capitalists afloat:

RANKPARENTSUBSIDY VALUEsort iconNUMBER OF AWARDS
1Boeing$15,502,641,455957
2Intel$8,360,460,516128
3Ford Motor$7,742,056,086703
4General Motors$7,550,136,090786
5Micron Technology$6,856,681,91519
6Amazon.com$5,802,700,434455
7Alcoa$5,727,691,764134
8Cheniere Energy$5,617,152,52343
9Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)$4,820,110,11274
10Texas Instruments$4,286,328,86969
11Volkswagen$3,977,630,513216
12Sempra Energy$3,878,692,26451
13NRG Energy$3,405,383,876264
14Venture Global LNG$3,285,883,5666
15NextEra Energy$3,008,691,129116
16Sasol$2,836,049,84572
17Tesla Inc.$2,829,855,494114
18Stellantis$2,795,436,436213
19Nucor$2,538,761,123176
20Walt Disney$2,483,328,762255
21Iberdrola$2,380,558,984110
22Hyundai Motor$2,349,743,47018
23Oracle$2,272,418,28896
24Shell PLC$2,211,676,001132
25Samsung$2,178,196,44383
26Mubadala Investment Company$2,124,035,09762
27Toyota$2,111,010,689239
28Nike$2,104,917,829153
29Meta Platforms Inc.$2,098,261,27282
30Alphabet Inc.$2,054,325,527125
31Comcast$2,032,609,740398
32Paramount Global$1,973,256,854336
33Brookfield Corporation$1,969,735,585287
34Exxon Mobil$1,906,554,975227
35Apple Inc.$1,900,308,35963
36Nissan$1,892,314,16598
37Berkshire Hathaway$1,838,569,3731,194
38Summit Power$1,783,593,4146
39General Electric$1,779,446,759998
40JPMorgan Chase$1,762,150,6501,151
41Cleveland-Cliffs$1,705,497,604129
42Southern Company$1,694,958,17245
43Energy Transfer$1,680,794,666156
44Vornado Realty Trust$1,623,857,33633
45Duke Energy$1,580,421,86986
46Wolfspeed Inc.$1,564,430,56364
47Rivian Automotive Inc.$1,536,054,0125
48IBM Corp.$1,519,901,697368
49General Atomics$1,505,785,957111
50OGE Energy$1,427,570,18215
51SCS Energy$1,419,011,7965
52Panasonic$1,384,147,58461
53Microsoft$1,366,243,159113
54Lockheed Martin$1,337,674,082323
55Sagamore Development$1,320,000,0002
56Northrop Grumman$1,275,514,883284
57Corning Inc.$1,269,303,359400
58Vingroup$1,254,000,0001
59Continental AG$1,244,875,478111
60RTX Corporation$1,166,657,132781
61SK Holdings$1,081,550,2839
62Valero Energy$1,053,812,692207
63Dow Inc.$1,049,354,213640
64AES Corp.$1,039,510,135136
65Air Products & Chemicals$1,025,557,48288
66Exelon$986,892,87798
67CF Industries$982,271,715129
68Pyramid Companies$973,565,27893
69SkyWest$922,686,541339
70Centene$916,607,05459
71Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc.$900,000,0001
72Apollo Global Management$891,705,089592
73LG$883,168,46688
74Delta Air Lines$871,485,83313
75Jefferies Financial Group$871,137,33516
76Bayer$852,475,226217
77Honda$849,832,30192
78Shin-Etsu Chemical$828,683,936106
79Enterprise Products Partners$826,988,37189
80SunEdison$817,425,725115
81Goldman Sachs$800,873,386253
82Bank of America$796,947,128953
83E.ON$786,865,47340
84Warner Bros. Discovery Inc.$772,994,690218
85EDF-Electricite de France$766,205,55036
86Triple Five Worldwide$748,000,0004
87EDP-Energias de Portugal$733,674,86814
88Related Companies$714,675,5048
89Koch Industries$676,761,373498
90Caithness Energy$672,688,88830
91Dell Technologies$658,417,951185
92Wells Fargo$657,333,216542
93FedEx$647,035,546632
94Entergy$638,533,387235
95OCI N.V.$627,879,4065
96Chevron Phillips Chemical$619,839,44420
97Bedrock Detroit$618,000,0001
98Dominion Energy$615,436,08979
99Eli Lilly$601,741,36877


Socialism for the rich.

so you depend on what other people tell you to think for your talking points,,

I just use my eyes and watch the world around me,,
 
What was the real number?
Is that why communism sucked? Too many saboteurs?

First of all, you have no moral high ground upon which to stand

I can stand on reality.
How many fled your commie paradise to capitalism?
How many fled from capitalism to your commie paradise?

Weird. It's almost like the people who knew communism best knew better than you.

Communism doesn't suck, it's the future, so you might as well become a communist today Todd. Your children and grandkids are going to be communists, thanks to advanced automation and artificial intelligence. Advanced technology = Communist mass-production.

You don't stand on reality, you stand on Cold War bullshit propaganda. If you consider the population of the USSR, as large as it was, not too many people wanted to leave it. You're just regurgitating old misconceptions about public opinion in communist countries promoted by your capitalist masters.








People in Russia, even today in 2024, hate Gorbachev and prefer Stalin.


Capitalism sucks. Communism is the future.
 
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Communism doesn't suck, it's the future, so you might as well become a communist today Todd. Your children and grandkids are going to be communists, thanks to advanced automation and artificial intelligent. Advanced technology = Communist mass-production.

You don't stand on reality, you stand on Cold War bullshit propaganda. If you consider the population of the USSR, as large as it was, not too many people wanted to leave it. You're just regurgitating old misconceptions about public opinion in communist countries promoted by your capitalist masters.





People in Russia, even today in 2024, hate Gorbachev and prefer Stalin.


Capitalism sucks. Communism is the future.

COMMINISM SUCKS ASS AND ENDS IN THE DEATH OF MILLIONS,,
 
The US government does not make decisions based on what it's constituents want. It has become an entity unto itself and the two parties fight each other for control. The Democrats are not even a pro-American party anymore. They advance the interests of China, Iran, Mexico and the Drug Cartels.
I agree, but the Republicans do that as well. That's why we need to establish a people's democracy a.k.a. A modern democratic socialist government, ASAP.
 
You're essentially responding to a strawman argument. SincThe government is a social apparatus, organized by the people, to manage their large-scale socioeconomic projects and civil affairs.e when did I ever argue for a government that "presumes to manage society", dictating "its form" of society upon us by force? Never.
I'm just responding to what you typed: "The government is a social apparatus, organized by the people, to manage their large-scale socioeconomic projects and civil affairs."

I disagree with your characterization of the purpose of government. Seems pretty central to the argument to me.
I was 100% clear that we the people decide what society we're going to have, not politicians or capitalist plutocrats. You prefer for capitalists and their markets to decide what type of society we're going to have. How about? You prefer private for-profit dictatorships, companies that don't give a shit about the public good but only their "bottom line" (i.e. profits), to rule the roost. I SAY NO!
I prefer freedom.
Due to the advancing, evolutionary, innovative nature of science and technology, we will be forced by necessity to adopt a non-profit, marketless, centrally planned, system of mass production, soon.
Forced? By whom? "We the people"?
This will be the only way to avoid techno-feudalism, and mass civil unrest due to gross, out-of-control inequality and scarcity. Democratic socialism is the beginning stage or level of communism, which ends with the individual consumer having complete control over production, without a government entity or anyone else. Technology will one day allow the individual person, to produce everything that they consume. That future can only come through socialism, not capitalism.

Will let me correct myself, by giving proper credit to capitalism. Without capitalism, we wouldn't be living in the modern age and there would be no socialism or high-tech communism. So as a communist I will give credit where it's due. Marx also acknowledged the virtues of capitalism in his work, Capital. Capitalism was necessary, and good, being better and more innovative than chattel slavery and feudalism. However, capitalism, eventually becomes imperialistic, cronyistic, and obsolete, as a result of advanced technology.

Socialism, which includes communism, is the natural, inevitable successor of capitalism. It tips its hat to capitalism and says "Thank You Sir", and inherits its productive estate and enterprise, along with the government that it once controlled, through its cronyism.




What failure are you referring to? Be precise and clear.
"Precise and clear"? Stow the pedantic posturing or we're done.

You claimed I want people to "be at the mercy of greedy capitalists", among other things. You're either a mind reader, or you have some other reason to make that statement. I was inviting you to support your claim with quotes. Did you find any? Or did you fail?
When did I ever say that? The "only way anyone" really? I never said that. That's another false charge.
You claimed "You don't know what communism actually is, only what you were told by your capitalist masters and a government run by capitalists during the Cold War."

That's pretty empty, as an argument goes. How did you decide that I don't know what communism is??

I'll dump it with your bullshit "100 million" innocent little lambs. death-toll figure.
Looks like you're confusing me with one of your other discussions here.
I already expressed my position, with plenty of propositions and claims. Just choose the points you want to "debunk", go ahead.


What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I'm simply mirroring the attitude of my capitalist opponents, who constantly resort to emotional, death-toll arguments and false assumptions about both communism and capitalis.
I do likewise. You wanna be a prick, I can be one right back. But I like to shoot for more worthwhile exchanges.

My biggest beef with communism, or socialism, is the reliance on majority rule. I'm just not a fan. In general, majority rule is a terrible way to make decisions in society, and should be limited to circumstances where it's truly necessary. Otherwise, people should be free to sort things out for themselves.

From what I've seen, communists, socialists, etc .., especially as expressed by guise of modern "Democratic Socialists", want far more majority rule than I'm comfortable with. Notably, they want our economic decisions to be "democratic", but most write ups also suggest that all, or most, social decisions should be decided democratically.

I don't agree. Forcing everyone to conform to the will of the majority should only be employed, or tolerated, when it's vital for us all to be on the same page. Most of the time, it isn't. Most of the time, freedom is better.
 
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Why do you republicans believe that the rich deserve 90% + the wealth, huge tax breaks for anyone making more then one million per year and everyone else should just go fuck themselves? I am serious, why do you believe these people should be able to mistreat their workers, unregulate industiries to mistreat their workers, child labor and to pollute to their hearts intent. Your party is now literally allowing companies to work their workers to death in high heat, decreasing the age bringing back child labor and fighting like hell not to pay the workers right. You seem to enjoy the fact that the ceo makes 1,000 times more then his workers?

Why do you push a form of religion that forces these same little people to live a certain way when they're not breaking their backs for their betters? You must enjoy torturing the hell out of your follow man....Why do you think going back to the 18th century is even a good idea? It isn't but you seem to be utterly stone aged in your mindset.
If the people that earned the money don’t deserve to keep it then who does?
 
Moreover, without socialism bailing out capitalism every few years with public funds, you wouldn't have an economy or market. Public funds is what keeps capitalists afloat:

RANKPARENTSUBSIDY VALUEsort iconNUMBER OF AWARDS
1Boeing$15,502,641,455957
2Intel$8,360,460,516128
3Ford Motor$7,742,056,086703
4General Motors$7,550,136,090786
5Micron Technology$6,856,681,91519
6Amazon.com$5,802,700,434455
7Alcoa$5,727,691,764134
8Cheniere Energy$5,617,152,52343
9Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)$4,820,110,11274
10Texas Instruments$4,286,328,86969
11Volkswagen$3,977,630,513216
12Sempra Energy$3,878,692,26451
13NRG Energy$3,405,383,876264
14Venture Global LNG$3,285,883,5666
15NextEra Energy$3,008,691,129116
16Sasol$2,836,049,84572
17Tesla Inc.$2,829,855,494114
18Stellantis$2,795,436,436213
19Nucor$2,538,761,123176
20Walt Disney$2,483,328,762255
21Iberdrola$2,380,558,984110
22Hyundai Motor$2,349,743,47018
23Oracle$2,272,418,28896
24Shell PLC$2,211,676,001132
25Samsung$2,178,196,44383
26Mubadala Investment Company$2,124,035,09762
27Toyota$2,111,010,689239
28Nike$2,104,917,829153
29Meta Platforms Inc.$2,098,261,27282
30Alphabet Inc.$2,054,325,527125
31Comcast$2,032,609,740398
32Paramount Global$1,973,256,854336
33Brookfield Corporation$1,969,735,585287
34Exxon Mobil$1,906,554,975227
35Apple Inc.$1,900,308,35963
36Nissan$1,892,314,16598
37Berkshire Hathaway$1,838,569,3731,194
38Summit Power$1,783,593,4146
39General Electric$1,779,446,759998
40JPMorgan Chase$1,762,150,6501,151
41Cleveland-Cliffs$1,705,497,604129
42Southern Company$1,694,958,17245
43Energy Transfer$1,680,794,666156
44Vornado Realty Trust$1,623,857,33633
45Duke Energy$1,580,421,86986
46Wolfspeed Inc.$1,564,430,56364
47Rivian Automotive Inc.$1,536,054,0125
48IBM Corp.$1,519,901,697368
49General Atomics$1,505,785,957111
50OGE Energy$1,427,570,18215
51SCS Energy$1,419,011,7965
52Panasonic$1,384,147,58461
53Microsoft$1,366,243,159113
54Lockheed Martin$1,337,674,082323
55Sagamore Development$1,320,000,0002
56Northrop Grumman$1,275,514,883284
57Corning Inc.$1,269,303,359400
58Vingroup$1,254,000,0001
59Continental AG$1,244,875,478111
60RTX Corporation$1,166,657,132781
61SK Holdings$1,081,550,2839
62Valero Energy$1,053,812,692207
63Dow Inc.$1,049,354,213640
64AES Corp.$1,039,510,135136
65Air Products & Chemicals$1,025,557,48288
66Exelon$986,892,87798
67CF Industries$982,271,715129
68Pyramid Companies$973,565,27893
69SkyWest$922,686,541339
70Centene$916,607,05459
71Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc.$900,000,0001
72Apollo Global Management$891,705,089592
73LG$883,168,46688
74Delta Air Lines$871,485,83313
75Jefferies Financial Group$871,137,33516
76Bayer$852,475,226217
77Honda$849,832,30192
78Shin-Etsu Chemical$828,683,936106
79Enterprise Products Partners$826,988,37189
80SunEdison$817,425,725115
81Goldman Sachs$800,873,386253
82Bank of America$796,947,128953
83E.ON$786,865,47340
84Warner Bros. Discovery Inc.$772,994,690218
85EDF-Electricite de France$766,205,55036
86Triple Five Worldwide$748,000,0004
87EDP-Energias de Portugal$733,674,86814
88Related Companies$714,675,5048
89Koch Industries$676,761,373498
90Caithness Energy$672,688,88830
91Dell Technologies$658,417,951185
92Wells Fargo$657,333,216542
93FedEx$647,035,546632
94Entergy$638,533,387235
95OCI N.V.$627,879,4065
96Chevron Phillips Chemical$619,839,44420
97Bedrock Detroit$618,000,0001
98Dominion Energy$615,436,08979
99Eli Lilly$601,741,36877


Socialism for the rich.

Commies had all the public funds.
Tell us about all the awesome commie companies.
What are your 3 favorite commie products?
Trabants?
 

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