10 Key Events That Preceded The Last Financial Crisis Are Happening Again

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There has been much talk about a collapse. The technicals are not looking so hot.

-Geaux
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If you do not believe that we are heading directly toward another major financial crisis, you need to read this article. So many of the exact same patterns that preceded the great financial collapse of 2008 are happening again right before our very eyes. History literally appears to be repeating, but most Americans seem absolutely oblivious to what is going on. The mainstream media and our politicians are promising them that everything is going to be okay somehow, and that seems to be good enough for most people. But the signs that another massive financial crisis is on the horizon are everywhere. All you have to do is open up your eyes and look at them.

Bill Gross, considered by many to be the number one authority on government bonds on the entire planet, made headlines all over the world on Tuesday when he released his January Investment Outlook. I don’t know if we have ever seen Gross be more negative about a new year than he is about 2015. For example, just consider this statement



“When the year is done, there will be minus signs in front of returns for many asset classes. The good times are over.”

And this is how he ended the letter



And so that is why – at some future date – at some future Ides of March or May or November 2015, asset returns in many categories may turn negative.



What to consider in such a strange new world? High-quality assets with stable cash flows. Those would include Treasury and high-quality corporate bonds, as well as equities of lightly levered corporations with attractive dividends and diversified revenues both operationally and geographically. With moments of liquidity having already been experienced in recent months, 2015 may see a continuing round of musical chairs as riskier asset categories become less and less desirable.



Debt supercycles in the process of reversal are not favorable events for future investment returns. Father Time in 2015 is not the babe with a top hat in our opening cartoon. He is the grumpy old codger looking forward to his almost inevitable “Ides” sometime during the next 12 months. Be cautious and content with low positive returns in 2015. The time for risk taking has passed.

So why are Gross and so many other financial experts being so “negative” right now?

It is because they can see what is happening.

They can see the same patterns that we saw in early 2008 unfolding again right in front of us. I wanted to put these patterns in a single article so that they will be easy to share with people. The following are 10 key events that preceded the last financial crisis that are happening again right now…



#1 A really bad start to the year for the stock market. During the first three trading days of 2015, the S&P 500 was down a total of 2.73 percent. There are only two times in history when it has declined by more than three percent during the first three trading days of a year. Those years were 2000 and 2008, and in both years we witnessed enormous stock market declines.



#2 Very choppy financial market behavior. This is something that I discussed yesterday. In general, calm markets tend to go up. When markets get choppy, they tend to go down. For example, the chart that I have posted below shows how the Dow Jones Industrial Average behaved from the beginning of 2006 to the end of 2008. As you can see, the Dow was very calm as it rose throughout 2006 and most of 2007, but it got very choppy as 2008 played out…



As I also mentioned yesterday, it is important not to get fooled if stocks soar on a particular day. The three largest single day stock market gains in history were right in the middle of the financial crisis of 2008. When you start to see big ups and big downs in the market, that is a sign of big trouble ahead. That is why it is so alarming that global financial markets have begun to become quite choppy in recent weeks.



#3 A substantial decline for 10 year bond yields. When investors get scared, there tends to be a “flight to safety” as investors move their money to safer investments. We saw this happen in 2008, and that is happening again right now.

In fact, according to Bloomberg, global 10 year bond yields have already dropped to low levels that are absolutely unprecedented…



Taken together, the average 10-year bond yield of the U.S., Japan and Germany has dropped below 1 percent for the first time ever, according to Steven Englander, global head of G-10 foreign-exchange strategy at Citigroup Inc.



That’s not good news. The rock-bottom rates, which fall below zero when inflation is taken into account, show “that investors think we are going nowhere for a long time,” Englander wrote in a report yesterday.



#4 The price of oil crashes. As I write this, the price of U.S. oil has dipped below $48 a barrel. But back in June, it was sitting at $106 at one point. As the chart below demonstrates, there is only one other time in history when the price of oil has declined by more than $50 in less than a year…



The only other time there has been an oil price collapse of this magnitude we experienced the greatest financial crisis since the Great Depression shortly thereafter. Are we about to see history repeat? For much more on this, please see my previous article entitled “Guess What Happened The Last Time The Price Of Oil Crashed Like This?



#5 A dramatic drop in the number of oil and gas rigs in operation. Right now, oil and gas rigs are going out of operation at a frightening pace. During the fourth quarter of 2014, 93 oil and gas rigs were idled, and it is being projected that another 200 will shut down this quarter. As this Business Insider article demonstrates, this is also something that happened during the financial crisis of 2008 and it continued well into 2009.


10 Key Events That Preceded The Last Financial Crisis Are Happening Again Zero Hedge
 
There must be some gene in humans that always see doom and gloom on the horizon. The irony is none of these prognosticators saw the great recession coming and most likely they were in agreement with the deregulation of Reagan Clinton and the tax policies of Bush that lead to the greed and stupidity of the crash. Bubbles are the creation of that unpredictable species. The funniest thing about the above OP is gas prices as meaningful elements in this play. If it is high the sky is falling if it is low the sky is falling. LOL

"Wealth is the enemy of understanding." J.K. Galbraith

buy-sell-cartoon.jpg


"As this unemployment chart shows, President Obama’s job creation kept unemployment from peaking at as high a level as President Reagan, and promoted people into the workforce faster than President Reagan."

Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs Growth And Investing - Forbes
 
There must be some gene in humans that always see doom and gloom on the horizon. The irony is none of these prognosticators saw the great recession coming and most likely they were in agreement with the deregulation of Reagan Clinton and the tax policies of Bush that lead to the greed and stupidity of the crash. Bubbles are the creation of that unpredictable species. The funniest thing about the above OP is gas prices as meaningful elements in this play. If it is high the sky is falling if it is low the sky is falling. LOL

"Wealth is the enemy of understanding." J.K. Galbraith

buy-sell-cartoon.jpg


"As this unemployment chart shows, President Obama’s job creation kept unemployment from peaking at as high a level as President Reagan, and promoted people into the workforce faster than President Reagan."

Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs Growth And Investing - Forbes

There were a few that called the 08 collapse. Peter Schiff to name one

-Geaux
 
The last fiscal crises was caused by deregulating financial institutions. We deregulated them again?
Untrue. The last crisis was created by dickheads in the Democrat party who intentionally set the crash in motion by first encouraging loose lending practices ... then slamming the door on everything once they took back Congress.
 
The last fiscal crises was caused by deregulating financial institutions. We deregulated them again?
Untrue. The last crisis was created by dickheads in the Democrat party who intentionally set the crash in motion by first encouraging loose lending practices ... then slamming the door on everything once they took back Congress.

Please note that William Jefferson Clinton and HOUSE Republicans worked together to deregulate. Anything else is partisan crap.
 
I think Peter is on it again. His take on the oil drop is gaining strength

-Geaux




 
The last fiscal crises was caused by deregulating financial institutions. We deregulated them again?
Untrue. The last crisis was created by dickheads in the Democrat party who intentionally set the crash in motion by first encouraging loose lending practices ... then slamming the door on everything once they took back Congress.

Please note that William Jefferson Clinton and HOUSE Republicans worked together to deregulate. Anything else is partisan crap.
So what. Clinton left office 7 years before this happened. You can't blame the recklessness that took place in 2006 on Republicans and a president that left office long before. I was in the field in the time leading up to the crash. The seeds for it were planted in 2003 and warnings were issued by Bush himself. Yet Barney Frank and others ignored them. As soon as the Democrats took back power they cut the knees from under the financial industry ... intentionally causing the collapse.
 
There has been much talk about a collapse. The technicals are not looking so hot.

-Geaux
----------------------------------------

If you do not believe that we are heading directly toward another major financial crisis, you need to read this article. So many of the exact same patterns that preceded the great financial collapse of 2008 are happening again right before our very eyes. History literally appears to be repeating, but most Americans seem absolutely oblivious to what is going on. The mainstream media and our politicians are promising them that everything is going to be okay somehow, and that seems to be good enough for most people. But the signs that another massive financial crisis is on the horizon are everywhere. All you have to do is open up your eyes and look at them.

Bill Gross, considered by many to be the number one authority on government bonds on the entire planet, made headlines all over the world on Tuesday when he released his January Investment Outlook. I don’t know if we have ever seen Gross be more negative about a new year than he is about 2015. For example, just consider this statement



“When the year is done, there will be minus signs in front of returns for many asset classes. The good times are over.”

And this is how he ended the letter



And so that is why – at some future date – at some future Ides of March or May or November 2015, asset returns in many categories may turn negative.



What to consider in such a strange new world? High-quality assets with stable cash flows. Those would include Treasury and high-quality corporate bonds, as well as equities of lightly levered corporations with attractive dividends and diversified revenues both operationally and geographically. With moments of liquidity having already been experienced in recent months, 2015 may see a continuing round of musical chairs as riskier asset categories become less and less desirable.



Debt supercycles in the process of reversal are not favorable events for future investment returns. Father Time in 2015 is not the babe with a top hat in our opening cartoon. He is the grumpy old codger looking forward to his almost inevitable “Ides” sometime during the next 12 months. Be cautious and content with low positive returns in 2015. The time for risk taking has passed.

So why are Gross and so many other financial experts being so “negative” right now?

It is because they can see what is happening.

They can see the same patterns that we saw in early 2008 unfolding again right in front of us. I wanted to put these patterns in a single article so that they will be easy to share with people. The following are 10 key events that preceded the last financial crisis that are happening again right now…



#1 A really bad start to the year for the stock market. During the first three trading days of 2015, the S&P 500 was down a total of 2.73 percent. There are only two times in history when it has declined by more than three percent during the first three trading days of a year. Those years were 2000 and 2008, and in both years we witnessed enormous stock market declines.



#2 Very choppy financial market behavior. This is something that I discussed yesterday. In general, calm markets tend to go up. When markets get choppy, they tend to go down. For example, the chart that I have posted below shows how the Dow Jones Industrial Average behaved from the beginning of 2006 to the end of 2008. As you can see, the Dow was very calm as it rose throughout 2006 and most of 2007, but it got very choppy as 2008 played out…



As I also mentioned yesterday, it is important not to get fooled if stocks soar on a particular day. The three largest single day stock market gains in history were right in the middle of the financial crisis of 2008. When you start to see big ups and big downs in the market, that is a sign of big trouble ahead. That is why it is so alarming that global financial markets have begun to become quite choppy in recent weeks.



#3 A substantial decline for 10 year bond yields. When investors get scared, there tends to be a “flight to safety” as investors move their money to safer investments. We saw this happen in 2008, and that is happening again right now.

In fact, according to Bloomberg, global 10 year bond yields have already dropped to low levels that are absolutely unprecedented…



Taken together, the average 10-year bond yield of the U.S., Japan and Germany has dropped below 1 percent for the first time ever, according to Steven Englander, global head of G-10 foreign-exchange strategy at Citigroup Inc.



That’s not good news. The rock-bottom rates, which fall below zero when inflation is taken into account, show “that investors think we are going nowhere for a long time,” Englander wrote in a report yesterday.



#4 The price of oil crashes. As I write this, the price of U.S. oil has dipped below $48 a barrel. But back in June, it was sitting at $106 at one point. As the chart below demonstrates, there is only one other time in history when the price of oil has declined by more than $50 in less than a year…



The only other time there has been an oil price collapse of this magnitude we experienced the greatest financial crisis since the Great Depression shortly thereafter. Are we about to see history repeat? For much more on this, please see my previous article entitled “Guess What Happened The Last Time The Price Of Oil Crashed Like This?



#5 A dramatic drop in the number of oil and gas rigs in operation. Right now, oil and gas rigs are going out of operation at a frightening pace. During the fourth quarter of 2014, 93 oil and gas rigs were idled, and it is being projected that another 200 will shut down this quarter. As this Business Insider article demonstrates, this is also something that happened during the financial crisis of 2008 and it continued well into 2009.


10 Key Events That Preceded The Last Financial Crisis Are Happening Again Zero Hedge
More reasons why we'll tank:

(1) A poor and dependent citizenry living off of government assistance programs and unemployment checks.
(2) Our dependency on cheap foreign imports.
(3) Very low interest on savings accounts.
(4) Troubled pension funds.
(5) Lost home equity.
(6) Big chain stores closing many of their stores, and malls becoming ghost buildings.
(7) Too many part-time and temporary workers.
(8) An inadequate number of self-supporting opportunities.
(9) An economy kept afloat by government debt.
(10) Lower over all wages and a lower standard of living.
(11) We've become consumers and not producers.
(12) The gap between the cost of living and real wages.
(13) The growing gap between the rich and the poor.
(14) Our rapidly growing population.
(15) Concentrated wealth at the top.
 
The last fiscal crises was caused by deregulating financial institutions. We deregulated them again?
Untrue. The last crisis was created by dickheads in the Democrat party who intentionally set the crash in motion by first encouraging loose lending practices ... then slamming the door on everything once they took back Congress.

Please note that William Jefferson Clinton and HOUSE Republicans worked together to deregulate. Anything else is partisan crap.
So what. Clinton left office 7 years before this happened. You can't blame the recklessness that took place in 2006 on Republicans and a president that left office long before. I was in the field in the time leading up to the crash. The seeds for it were planted in 2003 and warnings were issued by Bush himself. Yet Barney Frank and others ignored them. As soon as the Democrats took back power they cut the knees from under the financial industry ... intentionally causing the collapse.

Mud, lobbiest spent record amounts of money to convince congress that deregulation and mortgage insurance was the way to go. It took a while for the roof to cave and by 2005, banks were already trying to hold back the reigns. This is a normal amount of time for a problem of this magnitude to manifest.
 
I think Peter is on it again. His take on the oil drop is gaining strength

-Geaux






The price of oil is low because of:

1) Seasonal low demand.

2) Rise in US production.

OPEC is keeping their prices down in order to compete.

Just a few months ago, Republicans were pointing to the high price of gas as an Obama failure.
 
The last fiscal crises was caused by deregulating financial institutions. We deregulated them again?
Untrue. The last crisis was created by dickheads in the Democrat party who intentionally set the crash in motion by first encouraging loose lending practices ... then slamming the door on everything once they took back Congress.

Please note that William Jefferson Clinton and HOUSE Republicans worked together to deregulate. Anything else is partisan crap.
So what. Clinton left office 7 years before this happened. You can't blame the recklessness that took place in 2006 on Republicans and a president that left office long before. I was in the field in the time leading up to the crash. The seeds for it were planted in 2003 and warnings were issued by Bush himself. Yet Barney Frank and others ignored them. As soon as the Democrats took back power they cut the knees from under the financial industry ... intentionally causing the collapse.

Mud, lobbiest spent record amounts of money to convince congress that deregulation and mortgage insurance was the way to go. It took a while for the roof to cave and by 2005, banks were already trying to hold back the reigns. This is a normal amount of time for a problem of this magnitude to manifest.
You're forgetting Democrats standing on the floor of the Senate encouraging depositors to start a run on evil bankers and telling everyone that the rich were giving them unfair loans. Those unfair loans were encouraged by Democrats. They decided that it would be racist to not grant a loan to anyone based on their race. People that normally couldn't qualify were pushed into loans that were rigged to become an albatross later down the road because it was the only kind of loan they could get into. Jumbo loans ... adjustable rate mortgages ... interest only loans with a massive balloon payment at maturity ... Stated loans for borrowers with unstable income. Once the Dems took Congress they slammed the doors and everyone that got into their homes discovered that they couldn't re-qualify for another to get them out of financial trouble. Then Democrats literally told them they should default... so millions did.
 
I think Peter is on it again. His take on the oil drop is gaining strength

-Geaux






The price of oil is low because of:

1) Seasonal low demand.

2) Rise in US production.

OPEC is keeping their prices down in order to compete.

Just a few months ago, Republicans were pointing to the high price of gas as an Obama failure.


Re #2-

U.S. Oil Producers Cut Rigs as Price Declines

HOUSTON — With oil prices plunging at an ever-quickening rate, producers are beginning to slash the number of drilling rigs around the country.

The national rig count had remained surprisingly resilient over recent months even as oil prices dropped by more than 50 percent since June, and it still tops the count of a year ago as domestic production continues to surge.

But an announcement on Wednesday by Helmerich & Payne, the giant contract rig company, that it planned to idle up to 50 rigs over the next month sent shudders through the industry. And that came on top of 11 rigs that it has already mothballed, meaning that in just a few weeks, its shale drilling activity will be reduced by about 20 percent.

“Low oil prices are increasingly impacting the U.S. land drilling market,” the company said in a presentation to a Goldman Sachs energy conference.



http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/08/business/us-oil-producers-cut-rigs-as-price-declines.html
 
I think Peter is on it again. His take on the oil drop is gaining strength

-Geaux






The price of oil is low because of:

1) Seasonal low demand.

2) Rise in US production.

OPEC is keeping their prices down in order to compete.

Just a few months ago, Republicans were pointing to the high price of gas as an Obama failure.


Re #2-

U.S. Oil Producers Cut Rigs as Price Declines

HOUSTON — With oil prices plunging at an ever-quickening rate, producers are beginning to slash the number of drilling rigs around the country.

The national rig count had remained surprisingly resilient over recent months even as oil prices dropped by more than 50 percent since June, and it still tops the count of a year ago as domestic production continues to surge.

But an announcement on Wednesday by Helmerich & Payne, the giant contract rig company, that it planned to idle up to 50 rigs over the next month sent shudders through the industry. And that came on top of 11 rigs that it has already mothballed, meaning that in just a few weeks, its shale drilling activity will be reduced by about 20 percent.

“Low oil prices are increasingly impacting the U.S. land drilling market,” the company said in a presentation to a Goldman Sachs energy conference.



http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/08/business/us-oil-producers-cut-rigs-as-price-declines.html


Would you like for Obama to raise the price of gas for you?

Lower gas prices are encouraging people to ride more cabs, etc. The good will far outweigh the bad.
 
What could possibly go wrong with 18 trillion in debt and growing, 100 million working age Americans not working, gov regulations exploding, Fed Res printing money out of thin air, fed gov becoming more tyrannical daily???
 
If you wonder, what I think about it: the Fed will manipulate the economy according to whoever they want to be presiden. It does make sense, actually. The economy soared in 2000 to keep the dems in power. Then the markets crashed almost the next day.
 
What could possibly go wrong with 18 trillion in debt and growing, 100 million working age Americans not working, gov regulations exploding, Fed Res printing money out of thin air, fed gov becoming more tyrannical daily???

All money (in all of its various incarnations) is worthless.

Be it gold or be it elephant tails, it is only a reprisentaion of goods. This country prints the amount that it needs ... period.
 
What affect could sub-prime auto loans play in Great Recession 2.0?
"Booming U.S. car sales and a push by private equity investors are creating a renaissance in the market for auto loan-backed securities. Corporations like Apple, Google and 3M as well as institutional and insurance-industry investors have been looking for the promise of steady yields in exchange for limited risk.

"But a panoply of investigations into lending practices for so-called subprime, or riskier, borrowers, coupled with concerns about the exits of some auto-finance company investors, have some market observers warning that trouble could lie ahead."

New debt crisis fear Subprime auto loans
 

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