65 Girls At Ohio High School Pregnant

[Mr. P]

What increase are you guys talking about?

Pregnancy and birth rates among teenagers have varied considerably over time. Figure 1 depicts rates of birth among women aged fifteen through nineteen years from 1940 to 1999. Teen birth rates were at their highest from the late 1940s through the early 1960s, mirroring the elevated rates seen among all women of childbearing age during this time period, commonly referred to as the "baby boom." More recently, birth rates showed a relatively modest increase in the late 1980s and early 1990s, and declined steadily thereafter. Data for 1999 indicated that the teenage birth rate in that year fell to a record low of 49.6 births per 1,000.

Checkout the graph ...
http://childhood.families.com/teenage-pregnancy-402-405-chdv
Another site that shows the same sorta stuff beginning in the 50s..
http://www.kidsource.com/kidsource/content2/teen.pregnancy.html

Young girls (Teens) have always gotton preg..Nothing new..But as both sites show the rate is declining.

 

[MissileMan]

Mariner, you also seem to be confusing "abstinence-based" with "abstinence only." And, uh, abstinence worked for hundreds of years before the hippies decided casual sex was perfectly acceptable. It's also worked with me. I have never had an STD, and I have never gotten anybody pregnant.

Don't kid yourself...pre-marital sex and pre-marital pregnancy is not a post-60's phenomenon. It's a tradition as old as marriage itself.

 

[MissileMan]

No problem resurrecting old threads. Your solution is messed up though. We want to solve the problem by encouraging sex. That makes sense.

You know this problem wasn't like this in the 50s. It wasn't until the late 60s the trend started. I wonder what the difference was hmm...

Training in how to avoid an automobile accident isn't encouraging someone to go have one...same thing here.

 

[Hobbit]

Don't kid yourself...pre-marital sex and pre-marital pregnancy is not a post-60's phenomenon. It's a tradition as old as marriage itself.

Revisionist history. Sure, the problem was there, but it was incredibly small, especially when compared to today's problem. You can bet there weren't people in 1920 who had a baby and didn't know which of 20 people the father was unless they were prostitutes. Now, scenarios like that aren't really that unusual.

 

[Hobbit]

Training in how to avoid an automobile accident isn't encouraging someone to go have one...same thing here.

However, a driver's ed teacher teaching kids how to speed while minimizing chances of getting in a wreck would be fired, because no matter how safely you drive, speeding is dangerous. Having sex outside of a monogomous, marital relationship where both partners have remained abstinent is DANGEROUS, and teaching people how to engage in it without facing the consequences encourages that activity.

 

[MissileMan]

However, a driver's ed teacher teaching kids how to speed while minimizing chances of getting in a wreck would be fired, because no matter how safely you drive, speeding is dangerous. Having sex outside of a monogomous, marital relationship where both partners have remained abstinent is DANGEROUS, and teaching people how to engage in it without facing the consequences encourages that activity.

I don't know of any sex-ed classes where the teachers are encouraging kids to have sex, so your argument is crap. Following your logic, we shouldn't even teach driver's ed...just tell kids not to drive.

 

[Hobbit]

I don't know of any sex-ed classes where the teachers are encouraging kids to have sex, so your argument is crap. Following your logic, we shouldn't even teach driver's ed...just tell kids not to drive.

See, here you go stretching what I've said beyond again. The driver's ed teacher isn't telling kids to speed, but he knows they'll speed anyway, so he's telling them how to speed "safely." That's exactly what sex ed classes are doing, telling kids how to do something inherintly dangerous, but 'safely.'

Also, abstinence is not 'not having sex,' it's 'having sex in the proper way, within marriage,' just like obeying all traffic laws is driving in the proper way. And all driver's ed teachers teach kids how to drive within the law, even though more teenagers break traffic laws than have sex before marriage.

 

[MissileMan]

Also, abstinence is not 'not having sex,' it's 'having sex in the proper way,

Look it up...abstinence IS "not having sex"...if you are abstaining, you aren't having. Abstinence is the same thing as celibacy except celibacy usually denotes a lifetime of going without sex.

 

[Hobbit]

Look it up...abstinence IS "not having sex"...if you are abstaining, you aren't having. Abstinence is the same thing as celibacy except celibacy usually denotes a lifetime of going without sex.

See, there you go stretching terms again. Abstinence does not entail never having sex. It entails having sex in the proper way and at the proper time, seeing as how if you are married, you can practice abstinence (in this context) by having sex only with your spouse. Sexual abstinence isn't abstaining from sex. It's abstaining from extramarital sex.

 

[manu1959]

never beeeeeeeen to O HI O and you can't prove otherwise.

that is my story and i am sticking to it

 

[Avatar4321]

I never really liked the word abstinence. it has negative connotations. Chastity is much better. It has positive ones.

 

[Mr. P]

I never really liked the word abstinence. it has negative connotations. Chastity is much better. It has positive ones.

I like the word SEX, it’s easier to spell than abstinence or chastity, and MUCH more fun! :tng:

 

[HorhayAtAMD]

Mariner, you also seem to be confusing "abstinence-based" with "abstinence only." And, uh, abstinence worked for hundreds of years before the hippies decided casual sex was perfectly acceptable. It's also worked with me. I have never had an STD, and I have never gotten anybody pregnant.

I've heard statistics before that suggest abstinence based sex ed results in more pregnancies and more STDs than safe sex based education. I would just like to clarify something about that. There is absolutely no arguing that abstinence will result in no STDs and no pregnancy but there is a huge difference between "education" and "usage of education". What the statistics suggest is that if you educate people to be abstinant, some large percentage of them won't be and that percentage is at a DRASTICALLY greater risk of getting pregnant or getting an STD. To this, you could have 3 responses:
1. Who cares? The ones that refuse to follow their education deserve everything they get.
2. We need better abstinance based education then because the current methods simply don't work.
3. We need to accept that abstinance based education is fundamentally flawed so safe sex education is the better way to go.

Abstinance education, when it works, is far better than safe sex education. Abstinance education, when it fails, is far worse than safe sex education. Right now, it is failing.

 

[Mr. P]

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Abstinance education, when it works, is far better than safe sex education. Abstinance education, when it fails, is far worse than safe sex education. Right now, it is failing.

It will always fail for the majority, it always has. 14 year old boys and 14 year old girls get horney, it's a fact that ain't going away. We may be able to hold em back a bit, but to expect that will be until marriage is ridicules.

I’d love to see a valid survey of how many people were really Virgins when they married, my guess would be, less than 10%.

 

[musicman]

I agree. Abotion might not be the worst option for some of these people.

Hell, man - it's too late for that; they're already grown up, and screwing.

Oh - you mean their BABIES!!

Why punish them? And, why so SEVERELY??!!

 

[musicman]

Abstinance education, when it works, is far better than safe sex education. Abstinance education, when it fails, is far worse than safe sex education. Right now, it is failing.

Let's give it more than five minutes, shall we? The liberal socialists have had it their way for the last thirty years - with disastrous results.

 

[Said1]

You know this problem wasn't like this in the 50s. It wasn't until the late 60s the trend started. I wonder what the difference was hmm...

I won' deny the increase in teen pregnancies, however, I would like to point out one major difference between then and now - the numbers getting married, or better put - the number of fathers sticking around.

 

[William Joyce]

dillo's right --- the school is half black. Blacks end up pregnant at 12 for this reason, which nobody dares mention:

[ame]http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0965683613/102-0067107-6180920?v=glance&n=283155[/ame]

Ever seen those nature specials where the little turtles get squirt out by the mama turtle by the thousands, and only a few live, and that's their reproductive strategy? Blacks are like that, human-style. So, should we have to pay for that, as whites? No.

Funny thing about this book is, it employs evolutionary theory to explain racial difference, thus causing both conservatives and liberals to go into brain meltdown. Enjoy!

 

[Mariner]

likely that a good sex ed class will demystify sex, implant a proper fear of pregnancy and its consequences, and implant an even greater fear of STD's--and therefore reduce teen pregnancy and STD's?

As for how pregnant teens were treated in the past, has anyone here seen that awful movie about the Irish laundresses? Pregnant girls were sent to workhouses, having brought shame on their entire families. There they were often abused by the self-righteous nuns. Were the good old days really so good?

Mariner.

 

[Said1]

dillo's right --- the school is half black. Blacks end up pregnant at 12 for this reason, which nobody dares mention:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0965683613/102-0067107-6180920?v=glance&n=283155&tag=ff0d01-20

Ever seen those nature specials where the little turtles get squirt out by the mama turtle by the thousands, and only a few live, and that's their reproductive strategy? Blacks are like that, human-style. So, should we have to pay for that, as whites? No.

I thought the baby turtles got run over heading to the sea?