9.1 trillion dollar deficit.

[VaYank5150]

Then why use them to sell a entitlement program that affects 1/6th of the U.S. economy.

Why use them in any case? Because while they're not perfect, they serve the purpose of a baseline against which to measure.

That's horseshit and you know it. If Obama thinks he can get rid of fraud to pay for the new healthcare scheme he's dreaming up then why not prove to America he can do THAT first.

I'll tell you.....he plans on eliminating Medicare as we know it. He's too chicken to admit it to seniors because he knows his plan and his Presidency would both come to abrupt ends.

Are you serious? The ONE voter block that McCain beat Obama in was seniors. Yeah, he sure needs them to win in 2012, right?

 

[Charles Stucker]

"We have to deficit spend now to save money in the future."

Perhaps the money he saves is campaign money he won't need to spend if he can appease enough backers with massive government spending programs - remember that worked well for FRD - so that his reelection secure

 

[Polk]

I'm seaching my old posts for the link...I did find this on Google though...
Obama Proposes Eliminating Medicare Advantage, Ousting 9 Million Seniors from Their Health Plans | Cato @ Liberty

That's not eliminating Medicare. That's eliminating a handout to private insurers.

 

[Polk]

and Obama said he will make significant cuts in Medicare/Medicaid to pay for his healthcare reform.

Obama: Cut Medicare, Medicaid for Health Care

Wednesday, June 3, 2009 4:55 PM

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama said Wednesday he wants at least $200 billion cut from Medicare and Medicaid spending over the next decade to help pay for overhauling the nation's health care system and providing coverage to 50 million uninsured Americans.


The reductions in the programs would come on top of the $300 billion in cuts already proposed in his budget.
© 2009 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved

A 500 billion dollar cut in Medicare funding. What do you think that means for seniors? After Obama PROMISED to let people keep their current coverage.

The "cut" doesn't reduce actual program funding. It comes from getting rid of Medicare Advantage, which is nothing but a massive handout to private insurers while doing nothing to improve the health care of seniors and from reducing payments to medical device manufacturers by using competitive bidding for the contracts.

 

[Care4all]

and Obama said he will make significant cuts in Medicare/Medicaid to pay for his healthcare reform.

Obama: Cut Medicare, Medicaid for Health Care

Wednesday, June 3, 2009 4:55 PM

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama said Wednesday he wants at least $200 billion cut from Medicare and Medicaid spending over the next decade to help pay for overhauling the nation's health care system and providing coverage to 50 million uninsured Americans.


The reductions in the programs would come on top of the $300 billion in cuts already proposed in his budget.
© 2009 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved

A 500 billion dollar cut in Medicare funding. What do you think that means for seniors? After Obama PROMISED to let people keep their current coverage.

The "cut" doesn't reduce actual program funding. It comes from getting rid of Medicare Advantage, which is nothing but a massive handout to private insurers while doing nothing to improve the health care of seniors and from reducing payments to medical device manufacturers by using competitive bidding for the contracts.

thank you Polk...where we can save money on any program, we should try to do such, and this would NOT be considered a bad thing imo....

Care

 

[VaYank5150]

and Obama said he will make significant cuts in Medicare/Medicaid to pay for his healthcare reform.

Obama: Cut Medicare, Medicaid for Health Care

Wednesday, June 3, 2009 4:55 PM

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama said Wednesday he wants at least $200 billion cut from Medicare and Medicaid spending over the next decade to help pay for overhauling the nation's health care system and providing coverage to 50 million uninsured Americans.


The reductions in the programs would come on top of the $300 billion in cuts already proposed in his budget.
© 2009 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved

A 500 billion dollar cut in Medicare funding. What do you think that means for seniors? After Obama PROMISED to let people keep their current coverage.

The "cut" doesn't reduce actual program funding. It comes from getting rid of Medicare Advantage, which is nothing but a massive handout to private insurers while doing nothing to improve the health care of seniors and from reducing payments to medical device manufacturers by using competitive bidding for the contracts.

Our Federal Government, using a system of competitive bidding? Hmmm, change we can believe in....

EDIT: Haliburton and KBR are going to be PISSED if the DoD ever implements such as policy.