JoeB131
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Also, whatever version of USMB I'm using doesn't do "dotted red lines" xienownr see. No red lines.
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Where is the fair share crowd? I mean this is just one buisness out of many that will need to make this decision. We can thank liberals every where for doing this to small buisness.
Screw small businesses.
Here's the problem. EVERY other industrialized country has single payer, universal health care EXCEPT for the US.
This bakery's problem could have been solved by simply having a Public Option. Republicans shot that down. Big Insurance didn't want the competition.
Screw small business, screw big business... Would you mind telling us who exactly it is that you want employing people then?
Screw small businesses.
Here's the problem. EVERY other industrialized country has single payer, universal health care EXCEPT for the US.
This bakery's problem could have been solved by simply having a Public Option. Republicans shot that down. Big Insurance didn't want the competition.
Screw small business, screw big business... Would you mind telling us who exactly it is that you want employing people then?
Guy, the economy is about all of us, not just the business douchebags.
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So why aren't you angry with Joe Flacco of the Ravens.. He's paid PAID not stock options PAID over a six-year contract with the Baltimore Ravens is worth $120.6 million -- PAID cold hard cash $20 million a year!
Why are you not upset with THAT?
The vast majority of that total went to former chairman and CEO H. Edward Hanway who left his post with a retirement package worth $110.9 million --
which included $18.8 million in executive compensation for 2009 as well as a healthy pension plan, deferred compensation and stock options.
NOTE: the BIASED Ignorant MEDIA always includes the pension, deferred compensation, stock options so that the ignorant little idiots like you say SEE they get $73 million !!!!
Here's why this comparison is sort of RETARDED. The people who pay Joe Flacco's salary are paying to see the game or paying for Raven's merchandise. that's the business model.
The people paying Ed Scumaway's salary are the policy holders in Cigna. And frankly, when you get health insurance like Nataline Sarkisya's family did, you have a reasonable expectation when your child gets sick, you get the medical care you insured yourself to get.
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After all I can't really have much confidence in your 17 year old girl pathos... cause you can't even WITH THE HELP of this board
spell "experimental"... geez.. your ignorance in not at least paying attention to the dotted red line "......"
that underlines simple spelling errors is what gets me!
If you can't at least follow the little details like paying attention to the red dotted line... why should I believe your 17 year old girl story?
YOU made that up didn't you???
Guy, I don't spell check for USMB. Sorry, love you guys, but I'm not going to proofread every post six times. But here you go, because you are too lazy to do research...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/06/health/views/06chen.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
A 17-year-old girl named Nataline Sarkisyan was in desperate need of a transplant after receiving aggressive treatment that cured her recurrent leukemia but caused her liver to fail. Without a new organ, she would die in a matter of a days; with one, she had a 65 percent chance of surviving. Her doctors placed her on the liver transplant waiting list...
But even when the perfect liver became available a few days after she was put on the list, doctors could not operate. What made Nataline different from most transplant patients, and what eventually brought her case to the attention of much of the country, was that her survival did not depend on the availability of an organ or her clinicians or even the quality of care she received. It rested on her health insurance company.
Cigna had denied the initial request to cover the costs of the liver transplant. And the insurer persisted in its refusal, claiming that the treatment was experimental and unproven, and despite numerous pleas from Natalines physicians to the contrary.
But the important thing is a greedy corporation made a profit, which you are fine with.
Moral, sensible people.. not so much.
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So why aren't you angry with Joe Flacco of the Ravens.. He's paid PAID not stock options PAID over a six-year contract with the Baltimore Ravens is worth $120.6 million -- PAID cold hard cash $20 million a year!
Why are you not upset with THAT?
The vast majority of that total went to former chairman and CEO H. Edward Hanway who left his post with a retirement package worth $110.9 million --
which included $18.8 million in executive compensation for 2009 as well as a healthy pension plan, deferred compensation and stock options.
NOTE: the BIASED Ignorant MEDIA always includes the pension, deferred compensation, stock options so that the ignorant little idiots like you say SEE they get $73 million !!!!
Here's why this comparison is sort of RETARDED. The people who pay Joe Flacco's salary are paying to see the game or paying for Raven's merchandise. that's the business model.
The people paying Ed Scumaway's salary are the policy holders in Cigna. And frankly, when you get health insurance like Nataline Sarkisya's family did, you have a reasonable expectation when your child gets sick, you get the medical care you insured yourself to get.
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After all I can't really have much confidence in your 17 year old girl pathos... cause you can't even WITH THE HELP of this board
spell "experimental"... geez.. your ignorance in not at least paying attention to the dotted red line "......"
that underlines simple spelling errors is what gets me!
If you can't at least follow the little details like paying attention to the red dotted line... why should I believe your 17 year old girl story?
YOU made that up didn't you???
Guy, I don't spell check for USMB. Sorry, love you guys, but I'm not going to proofread every post six times. But here you go, because you are too lazy to do research...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/06/health/views/06chen.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
A 17-year-old girl named Nataline Sarkisyan was in desperate need of a transplant after receiving aggressive treatment that cured her recurrent leukemia but caused her liver to fail. Without a new organ, she would die in a matter of a days; with one, she had a 65 percent chance of surviving. Her doctors placed her on the liver transplant waiting list...
But even when the perfect liver became available a few days after she was put on the list, doctors could not operate. What made Nataline different from most transplant patients, and what eventually brought her case to the attention of much of the country, was that her survival did not depend on the availability of an organ or her clinicians or even the quality of care she received. It rested on her health insurance company.
Cigna had denied the initial request to cover the costs of the liver transplant. And the insurer persisted in its refusal, claiming that the treatment was experimental and unproven, and despite numerous pleas from Natalines physicians to the contrary.
But the important thing is a greedy corporation made a profit, which you are fine with.
Moral, sensible people.. not so much.
They have enough profits. They should be paying more of their fair share.
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Because if they didn't make a PROFIT they wouldn't have RESERVES!
If they didn't have reserves the states would not let them sell!
ALL insurance companies must show they have reserves to pay claims!
So once again your stupidity about how insurance, money is showing!
THEN at least KNOW when you make stupid spelling mistakes!
Every 3rd grader knows how to spell "experimental". What is your excuse?
That laziness in the little details is what causes idiots like you to make such stupid comments and your credibility at question!
Gotta love the Liberal thought process.
They hate when people, companies make a lot of money and make a lot of profit.
Then they love when people, companies make a lot of money and make a lot of profit because
they want to stick their hands in the pockets of those that have.This is done under the guise of making those that just have too much give to those who don't seem to have enough.
Says one idiot commie.They have enough profits. They should be paying more of their fair share.
The reason they get away with it is because it is their wealth that they earned, inherited or won. Jealous socialist pricks in the gov. and elsewhere should keep their greedy slimy hands off.Gotta love the Liberal thought process.
They hate when people, companies make a lot of money and make a lot of profit.
Then they love when people, companies make a lot of money and make a lot of profit because
they want to stick their hands in the pockets of those that have.This is done under the guise of making those that just have too much give to those who don't seem to have enough.
The top 20% control over 80% of the wealth in this country.
The reason they get away with it is because most people are just unaware of how much wealth is controlled by how few.
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The reason they get away with it is because it is their wealth that they earned, inherited or won. Jealous socialist pricks in the gov. and elsewhere should keep their greedy slimy hands off.
Cigna had denied the initial request to cover the costs of the liver transplant. And the insurer persisted in its refusal, claiming that the treatment was experimental and unproven, and despite numerous pleas from Natalines physicians to the contrary.
But the important thing is a greedy corporation made a profit, which you are fine with.
Moral, sensible people.. not so much.
YOU ARE A BIG BALD FACED LIAR!!!
Cigna contacted Geragos and UCLA to say it was making a one-time exception to the process and would cover the treatment.
Does Cigna Deserve All The Blame? - Forbes.com
But, Congressman, death panels do exist in the United States, and Grigor and Hilda Sarkisyan, sadly, are in a position to explain to you exactly how they work and where you should be looking for them. You see, the real death panels that operate in this country are not run by a bunch of government bureaucrats but by a bunch of corporate bureaucrats who work deep inside U.S. insurance companies.
When Nataline was 14, she was diagnosed with leukemia. Initial treatments were successful and the cancer went into remission. It came back two years later, however, and this time the same treatments were not working. She underwent a bone marrow transplant, but it weakened her liver to the point that her doctors at UCLA Medical Center said she would need a liver transplant.
Her doctors were optimistic the transplant would save her life. In mid-December 2007, they told the family that Nataline would likely have a 65 percent chance of living at least five years if she had the transplant. Believing there would be no problem getting the family's insurer, CIGNA, to cover the cost of the surgery and after-care, the doctors scheduled the transplant as soon as a match became available.
But when Nataline's parents arrived at the hospital on the morning the transplant was to have been performed, one of the doctors took them aside to tell them that there was a problem. "CIGNA has not given us clearance," he said.
"What are you talking about?" Mrs. Sarkisyan said she asked the doctor, not understanding why CIGNA would have a say in the matter. "We have insurance, and I know it covers transplants, so what kind of clearance do you need?"
Nataline was covered under a policy that her father had obtained through his employer, Mercedes-Benz. As part of its contract with Mercedes, CIGNA assumed the responsibility of handling medical claims and making decisions as to whether or not to pay for expensive procedures like transplants.
As head of corporate communications at CIGNA, I was on the hot seat trying to explain the company's point of view. I told reporters that transplant experts whose opinion the company had sought as external reviewers backed the medical director's decision not to pay for the transplant. They agreed with him that, despite what Nataline's doctors said, the transplant would be "experimental."
That didn't quell the media storm. Seeking to end the bad publicity as soon as possible, CIGNA agreed to pay for the transplant on December 20, 2007.
Unfortunately, the decision came too late. So much time had passed since the original request for coverage had been made that Nataline's other organs had begun to shut down. She died just hours later.
I had helped handle a lot of what we called "horror stories" during my 20 years in the industry. When Nataline died, I didn't have it in me to handle any more of them. I left my job a few months later.
But the important thing is a greedy corporation made a profit, which you are fine with.
Moral, sensible people.. not so much.
YOU ARE A BIG BALD FACED LIAR!!!
Cigna contacted Geragos and UCLA to say it was making a one-time exception to the process and would cover the treatment.
Does Cigna Deserve All The Blame? - Forbes.com
But by the time they did- Nataline was so far gone that she died. And they ONLY relented because of the public backlash.
CIGNA's Cheif of Public Relations, Wendell Potter, was so disgusted by the whole episode he quit and has become an advocate of health care reform.
Death Panels Real and Imagined | MichaelMoore.com
But, Congressman, death panels do exist in the United States, and Grigor and Hilda Sarkisyan, sadly, are in a position to explain to you exactly how they work and where you should be looking for them. You see, the real death panels that operate in this country are not run by a bunch of government bureaucrats but by a bunch of corporate bureaucrats who work deep inside U.S. insurance companies.
When Nataline was 14, she was diagnosed with leukemia. Initial treatments were successful and the cancer went into remission. It came back two years later, however, and this time the same treatments were not working. She underwent a bone marrow transplant, but it weakened her liver to the point that her doctors at UCLA Medical Center said she would need a liver transplant.
Her doctors were optimistic the transplant would save her life. In mid-December 2007, they told the family that Nataline would likely have a 65 percent chance of living at least five years if she had the transplant. Believing there would be no problem getting the family's insurer, CIGNA, to cover the cost of the surgery and after-care, the doctors scheduled the transplant as soon as a match became available.
But when Nataline's parents arrived at the hospital on the morning the transplant was to have been performed, one of the doctors took them aside to tell them that there was a problem. "CIGNA has not given us clearance," he said.
"What are you talking about?" Mrs. Sarkisyan said she asked the doctor, not understanding why CIGNA would have a say in the matter. "We have insurance, and I know it covers transplants, so what kind of clearance do you need?"
Nataline was covered under a policy that her father had obtained through his employer, Mercedes-Benz. As part of its contract with Mercedes, CIGNA assumed the responsibility of handling medical claims and making decisions as to whether or not to pay for expensive procedures like transplants.
As head of corporate communications at CIGNA, I was on the hot seat trying to explain the company's point of view. I told reporters that transplant experts whose opinion the company had sought as external reviewers backed the medical director's decision not to pay for the transplant. They agreed with him that, despite what Nataline's doctors said, the transplant would be "experimental."
That didn't quell the media storm. Seeking to end the bad publicity as soon as possible, CIGNA agreed to pay for the transplant on December 20, 2007.
Unfortunately, the decision came too late. So much time had passed since the original request for coverage had been made that Nataline's other organs had begun to shut down. She died just hours later.
I had helped handle a lot of what we called "horror stories" during my 20 years in the industry. When Nataline died, I didn't have it in me to handle any more of them. I left my job a few months later.
Too bad we don't have more Wendell Potters and less Ed Hanaways...
But the important thing is a greedy corporation made a profit, which you are fine with.
Moral, sensible people.. not so much.
YOU ARE A BIG BALD FACED LIAR!!!
Cigna contacted Geragos and UCLA to say it was making a one-time exception to the process and would cover the treatment.
Does Cigna Deserve All The Blame? - Forbes.com
But by the time they did- Nataline was so far gone that she died. And they ONLY relented because of the public backlash.
CIGNA's Cheif of Public Relations, Wendell Potter, was so disgusted by the whole episode he quit and has become an advocate of health care reform.
Death Panels Real and Imagined | MichaelMoore.com
But, Congressman, death panels do exist in the United States, and Grigor and Hilda Sarkisyan, sadly, are in a position to explain to you exactly how they work and where you should be looking for them. You see, the real death panels that operate in this country are not run by a bunch of government bureaucrats but by a bunch of corporate bureaucrats who work deep inside U.S. insurance companies.
When Nataline was 14, she was diagnosed with leukemia. Initial treatments were successful and the cancer went into remission. It came back two years later, however, and this time the same treatments were not working. She underwent a bone marrow transplant, but it weakened her liver to the point that her doctors at UCLA Medical Center said she would need a liver transplant.
Her doctors were optimistic the transplant would save her life. In mid-December 2007, they told the family that Nataline would likely have a 65 percent chance of living at least five years if she had the transplant. Believing there would be no problem getting the family's insurer, CIGNA, to cover the cost of the surgery and after-care, the doctors scheduled the transplant as soon as a match became available.
But when Nataline's parents arrived at the hospital on the morning the transplant was to have been performed, one of the doctors took them aside to tell them that there was a problem. "CIGNA has not given us clearance," he said.
"What are you talking about?" Mrs. Sarkisyan said she asked the doctor, not understanding why CIGNA would have a say in the matter. "We have insurance, and I know it covers transplants, so what kind of clearance do you need?"
Nataline was covered under a policy that her father had obtained through his employer, Mercedes-Benz. As part of its contract with Mercedes, CIGNA assumed the responsibility of handling medical claims and making decisions as to whether or not to pay for expensive procedures like transplants.
As head of corporate communications at CIGNA, I was on the hot seat trying to explain the company's point of view. I told reporters that transplant experts whose opinion the company had sought as external reviewers backed the medical director's decision not to pay for the transplant. They agreed with him that, despite what Nataline's doctors said, the transplant would be "experimental."
That didn't quell the media storm. Seeking to end the bad publicity as soon as possible, CIGNA agreed to pay for the transplant on December 20, 2007.
Unfortunately, the decision came too late. So much time had passed since the original request for coverage had been made that Nataline's other organs had begun to shut down. She died just hours later.
I had helped handle a lot of what we called "horror stories" during my 20 years in the industry. When Nataline died, I didn't have it in me to handle any more of them. I left my job a few months later.
Too bad we don't have more Wendell Potters and less Ed Hanaways...
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Would one of you who keep ignoring these simple but TRUE statistics.. PLEASE REFUTE there are only 4 to 8 million truly that need insurance.. not 46 to 50 million!
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NEVER THE LESS YOU LIED! YOU gave the gross distinct impression Cigna didn't PAY but THEY DID!
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AND YOU think Obamacare will be better???