All the religions in the world are the feathers of the same bird

[dattaswami]

The only thing unimaginable is you shutting the fuck up.

control yourself and do not be emotional it will weaken you. Please be calm. We will discuss.

 

[gautama]

As I stated some time ago:

Replace all this religious bullshit with just one sentence:

"Do unto as you would have them do unto you."

And, if y'all are not fucking masochists then everything will be honky-dory.

But no......you religious freaks want the Heaven, Hell, and Divinityy crap.

And then, as History shows from the begining of Mankind, you fucks slaugter each other in the name of your wonderful "religions"

God doesn’t mind even atheism provided the justice is maintained in the society
If God and hell are not accepted, the sin will grow to climax

Miracles only prove the existence of unimaginable God. Anybody including the demon demonstrating the miracles is in the service of God to establish the existence of God to an atheist. Miracles exist widely with God in human form, devotees and even evil demons. Establishment of existence of original unimaginable God is the fundamental subject that needs wide publicity and hence God has spread miracles in wide range. Once the existence of God is accepted, the atheist becomes theist. This is the foundation step.

Even Shankara spent all His life in the first step only to convert atheistic Purvamimamsakas and Buddhists. Existence of God is needed even to establish Pravrutti through creating fear for hell. If God and hell are not accepted, the sin will grow to climax in a slow and steady way. Atheists promise to follow justice even without faith in God, but such promise is not having strong basis and it can be violated at any time. God doesn’t mind even atheism provided the justice is maintained in the society. But there is always a possibility of violation of justice if the hell disappears from the mind. When you are provoked to do injustice, at least the concept of hell and God will control you to certain extent. At least the percentage of people committing sins will be reduced. Of course, the concept of God and hell is not bringing the percentage to Zero, but if that concept is totally absent, by one day or other the percentage will be hundred.

For this point only, God comes down to establish His existence and there by create the fear for hell so that at least the percentage of sin and injustice comes to a minimum level, though complete eradication is impossible. God is not at all bothered to establish Himself for the sake of Nivrutti. If the society runs completely on justice, He will not mind even if all the human beings are atheists.

Dattaswami,

You're missing my point what with your tunnel-visioned focus on all your Heaven, Hell, and Divinity crap.....masturbating with one, or more, of your UNPROVEN SUBJECTIVE FANTASIES that supposedly benefits Man .... and/or an UNPROVEN God of YOUR fantasy.

My advice is all that bullshit of yours is UNNECESSARY !!!

Just "do unto others what you want them to do unto yourself" (and providing you're not a masochist freak) you won't have to look over your shoulder to have some Christian nutjob of a Spanish Inquisitor frying your testicles in a bon fire ( after the necessary jolllies in the basement of some church).....or perhaps have some Islamofascist Swine chop off your fingers and toes one-by one then arms, legs.....then when you look like the Third Base on a Baseball diamond.....give you the final Headchop with your dick in your oral orifice.

GEDDIT ??????



Naw.....I don't think so.

You're enjoying your crappola fantasies too much.

 

[etouffe123]

The discussion of fairies does not create the realtity of faries.
The more I think I know of God the less God becomes.

 

[dattaswami]

As I stated some time ago:

Replace all this religious bullshit with just one sentence:

"Do unto as you would have them do unto you."

And, if y'all are not fucking masochists then everything will be honky-dory.

But no......you religious freaks want the Heaven, Hell, and Divinityy crap.

And then, as History shows from the begining of Mankind, you fucks slaugter each other in the name of your wonderful "religions"

God doesn’t mind even atheism provided the justice is maintained in the society
If God and hell are not accepted, the sin will grow to climax

Miracles only prove the existence of unimaginable God. Anybody including the demon demonstrating the miracles is in the service of God to establish the existence of God to an atheist. Miracles exist widely with God in human form, devotees and even evil demons. Establishment of existence of original unimaginable God is the fundamental subject that needs wide publicity and hence God has spread miracles in wide range. Once the existence of God is accepted, the atheist becomes theist. This is the foundation step.

Even Shankara spent all His life in the first step only to convert atheistic Purvamimamsakas and Buddhists. Existence of God is needed even to establish Pravrutti through creating fear for hell. If God and hell are not accepted, the sin will grow to climax in a slow and steady way. Atheists promise to follow justice even without faith in God, but such promise is not having strong basis and it can be violated at any time. God doesn’t mind even atheism provided the justice is maintained in the society. But there is always a possibility of violation of justice if the hell disappears from the mind. When you are provoked to do injustice, at least the concept of hell and God will control you to certain extent. At least the percentage of people committing sins will be reduced. Of course, the concept of God and hell is not bringing the percentage to Zero, but if that concept is totally absent, by one day or other the percentage will be hundred.

For this point only, God comes down to establish His existence and there by create the fear for hell so that at least the percentage of sin and injustice comes to a minimum level, though complete eradication is impossible. God is not at all bothered to establish Himself for the sake of Nivrutti. If the society runs completely on justice, He will not mind even if all the human beings are atheists.

Dattaswami,

You're missing my point what with your tunnel-visioned focus on all your Heaven, Hell, and Divinity crap.....masturbating with one, or more, of your UNPROVEN SUBJECTIVE FANTASIES that supposedly benefits Man .... and/or an UNPROVEN God of YOUR fantasy.

My advice is all that bullshit of yours is UNNECESSARY !!!

Just "do unto others what you want them to do unto yourself" (and providing you're not a masochist freak) you won't have to look over your shoulder to have some Christian nutjob of a Spanish Inquisitor frying your testicles in a bon fire ( after the necessary jolllies in the basement of some church).....or perhaps have some Islamofascist Swine chop off your fingers and toes one-by one then arms, legs.....then when you look like the Third Base on a Baseball diamond.....give you the final Headchop with your dick in your oral orifice.

GEDDIT ??????



Naw.....I don't think so.

You're enjoying your crappola fantasies too much.

In that case sins cannot be controlled. there will be chaos more than it is now.

 

[dattaswami]

So your god is so dumb he got fooled by a golden deer and lost his woman. I bet afterwards he shit his pants full of turds, then ate them for lunch.

You are using over vulgar languages. It will come back to you.

 

[dattaswami]

The discussion of fairies does not create the realtity of faries.
The more I think I know of God the less God becomes.

No word can indicate God

Several statements of Veda clearly speak that God is completely unimaginable under any circumstances. Silence can only indicate God. Silence means that no word can be used to indicate God. In the creation every imaginable item has the specific name, which cannot be used for any other imaginable item. For example the word pot means only a particular object. The word cloth means another particular object. You cannot use one word for any other object. But God can enter any item of the creation. Therefore, the name of every item can be used to indicate God because there is no specific word for God, who is not at all a specific object. Even if God does not enter an item, the name of that item can be used to indicate God, because you are keeping that item as the representative of God. For example God never enters the inert planet like sun. But still Sun can represent God due to some similarities. God removes ignorance. Sun removes darkness. The lotus buds are opened by sun. The ignorant intelligence is also enlightened by God. Therefore, sun can represent God to some extent. Therefore, the word “sun” can also represent God.

Thus, in one extreme end no word can indicate God (Yato vachah-Veda). At another extreme end, the name of any item into which either God can enter or any item, which can represent God, can indicate God. All the prayers of God by thousand names (Shasra Nama) indicate God. When a word indicates God, it is the name of medium into which either God entered or which stands as representative God. This means you can experience God through a specific medium when God enters it. Alternatively you can also imagine the experience of existence of God through a representative item like sun. You can experience the existence of God through Lord Krishna because God entered and exists in the human body of Krishna. In case of sun you can imagine the existence of God through the properties of the sun. Thus, there is difference between the worship of human incarnation and worship of the representative item like sun, statue etc.

Veda says that you can worship sun as God, which means that sun is not directly God (Adityam Brahmaiti…Veda). There is difference between the direct worship of king and indirect worship of his photo. In both cases the king is pleased. But in the direct worship the king is extremely pleased because every bit of your service is experienced by king directly. When God enters the human body, God has not become the human body. God is in the human body. Therefore, the human body is not God. You can only experience God through human body. Therefore, by seeing the human body you have not seen God, but you have only experienced God through that human body. Therefore, God is invisible. Of course, a devotee can be satisfied by treating the human body as God and can feel satisfied that he has seen God. From this angle Veda says, “A blessed fellow has seen God” (Kaschit Dhirah…..).

 

[Avatar4321]

Of course, it could simply be that nothing is unimaginable... cant possibly be that can it?

 

[Avatar4321]

Why on earth would God become any less because people talk about Him?

People make this alot more complicated than it needs to be.

 

[Mr Mustard]

If God is unimaginable then why all these discussions about God?


Because Avatar is still trying to find ONE person besides Truthspeaker who doesn't think that mormonism is total crap.

 

[Avatar4321]

If God is unimaginable then why all these discussions about God?


Because Avatar is still trying to find ONE person besides Truthspeaker who doesn't think that mormonism is total crap.

How many times are you going to get banned here before you realize the board doesnt want you trolling?

 

[Mr Mustard]

If God is unimaginable then why all these discussions about God?


Because Avatar is still trying to find ONE person besides Truthspeaker who doesn't think that mormonism is total crap.

How many times are you going to get banned here before you realize the board doesnt want you trolling?

Yeah, like everyone just LOVES your mormon crap. Dude, you're a fool. So is your religion. We get it, you believe in magic underwear, now stop pretending you have all your marbles.

 

[dattaswami]

If God and hell are not accepted, the sin will grow to climax

I had a climax last night, is that a sin?

i do not know; do not play extra smart!!

 

[dattaswami]

Of course, it could simply be that nothing is unimaginable... cant possibly be that can it?

The Universe is infinite with unimaginable beginning and unimaginable end. This means the cause from which the Universe started and the same cause in which the Universe ends on dissolution is the unimaginable God. Mud is the beginning stage of the pot and also the end stage since the pot ends in the mud on destruction. The Universe exhibits the unimaginable God by its unimaginable limits of beginning and end. The space is generated from God and the dissolution of space can only show the real nature of its cause (God).

When the chain is dissolved in fire, then only the gold lump, which is the cause of the chain, appears in its original form. But even if you imagine for millions of years, you can never imagine the dissolution of space and therefore you can never imagine the original nature of God. God is beyond space and God is the permanently unknowable region even for the intelligence enriched with science and logic.

Hence, God is a permanent wonder and the creation consists of some knowable regions of knowledge without any wonder and also some temporarily unimaginable regions with temporary wonder. Now the word Maya can be used for the wonder, which is both permanent (God) and which is temporary also (the deeper layers of the world up to the space).

 

[PoliticalChic]

How can one establish the existence of unimaginable God?

Question: How can you establish the existence of the unimaginable item? You can say that something exists only if you come to know about it. When you do not know about it, how can you say that it exists?

Answer: In this world several miracles happen. The miracle is unimaginable but still it exists. The boundary of this Universe is also unimaginable, but it must exist. Therefore, the proof of the existence of unimaginable item exists in this world. In fact to give the proof of the existence of unimaginable nature, God created this unlimited Universe with unimaginable boundary. The same God shows various miracles in this world so that the existence of unimaginable nature is established; thereby the existence of unimaginable God is also established by the extension of the concept.
Universal-Spirituality

Pascal's Wager (or Pascal's Gambit) is a suggestion posed by the French philosopher Blaise Pascal that even though the existence of God cannot be determined through reason, a person should wager as though God exists, because so living has everything to gain, and nothing to lose. It was set out in note 233 of his Pensées, a posthumously published collection of notes made by Pascal in his last years as he worked on a treatise on Christian apologetics.

Historically, Pascal's Wager was groundbreaking as it had charted new territory in probability theory, was one of the first attempts to make use of the concept of infinity, marked the first formal use of decision theory, and anticipated the future philosophies of pragmatism and voluntarism.[1]

Pascal's Wager - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[dattaswami]

How can one establish the existence of unimaginable God?

Question: How can you establish the existence of the unimaginable item? You can say that something exists only if you come to know about it. When you do not know about it, how can you say that it exists?

Answer: In this world several miracles happen. The miracle is unimaginable but still it exists. The boundary of this Universe is also unimaginable, but it must exist. Therefore, the proof of the existence of unimaginable item exists in this world. In fact to give the proof of the existence of unimaginable nature, God created this unlimited Universe with unimaginable boundary. The same God shows various miracles in this world so that the existence of unimaginable nature is established; thereby the existence of unimaginable God is also established by the extension of the concept.
Universal-Spirituality

Pascal's Wager (or Pascal's Gambit) is a suggestion posed by the French philosopher Blaise Pascal that even though the existence of God cannot be determined through reason, a person should wager as though God exists, because so living has everything to gain, and nothing to lose. It was set out in note 233 of his Pensées, a posthumously published collection of notes made by Pascal in his last years as he worked on a treatise on Christian apologetics.

Historically, Pascal's Wager was groundbreaking as it had charted new territory in probability theory, was one of the first attempts to make use of the concept of infinity, marked the first formal use of decision theory, and anticipated the future philosophies of pragmatism and voluntarism.[1]

Pascal's Wager - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The invisible hell can be established to a scientist through the concept of infinite space also even without the unimaginable miracle. I have not shown the hell to the scientist in the infinite space. But the scientist has also not shown the limits of this infinite space so that I can be sure about the absence of hell anywhere in the space. This brings 50-50 probability of non-existence and existence of hell. If the hell is non-existent and if still I am careful in not doing the sin, I have not lost anything. Moreover, I am benefited in not having any tension due to fear from court of law here in doing the sin. If there is hell, the scientist will be punished terribly in the hell apart from the tension of sin here. In this way also, the cosmic vision introducing the infinite space gives knowledge of the probable hell to control sin.