Annexing West Bank

[toomuchtime_]

It has nothing to do with religion

Then Israel wouldn't block Christians or Jewish offspring of Christians from becoming citizens. Don't try to cover up your chosen magical group's religious nonsense.

You are misinformed. No one is blocked from becoming a citizen of Israel, but Jews living in the Diaspora do have special rights to immigrate. Others, Christians, Muslims, etc. have to go through the same immigration process they would have to go through to emigrate to the US or European countries.

Keep in mind I was responding to a person that said religion had nothing to do with current Israeli's claims to the land. And people claiming the right to return because they are Jewish have been blocked from that on suspicion that a family member was a Christian or other religion.

The thing to keep in mind is you made a false statement. You said people who were not seen a Jewish were blocked from citizenship, and that is not true. Now you are saying that if some relative was not Jewish you have no right of return, and that is not true. If your mother is Jewish by birth and has not formally renounced Judaism before you were born, you are Jewish and have th right of return to Israel. When you continue to make hostile false statements about Israel you are defining yourself as an ignorant bigot.

 

[BlackFlag]

It has nothing to do with religion

Then Israel wouldn't block Christians or Jewish offspring of Christians from becoming citizens. Don't try to cover up your chosen magical group's religious nonsense.

You are misinformed. No one is blocked from becoming a citizen of Israel, but Jews living in the Diaspora do have special rights to immigrate. Others, Christians, Muslims, etc. have to go through the same immigration process they would have to go through to emigrate to the US or European countries.

Keep in mind I was responding to a person that said religion had nothing to do with current Israeli's claims to the land. And people claiming the right to return because they are Jewish have been blocked from that on suspicion that a family member was a Christian or other religion.

It is always on an individual case. Israel has the right to implement the laws which keep the country safe.

Exactly what Christians and others have been blocked? Do you have a link, or are you simply assuming what you wrote?

I posted a link but just take a look at the law itself if you want. The Law of Return

 

[Sixties Fan]

Then Israel wouldn't block Christians or Jewish offspring of Christians from becoming citizens. Don't try to cover up your chosen magical group's religious nonsense.

Not factual. Children of Israeli citizens are Israeli citizens.

Yes, factual. There is no right of return for those descended from Israel, unless they are Jewish without suspicion of loyalty to any other magic.

Your use of the word "magic" is rather suspicious.

Let us get back to the subject of the thread.

Yes, it is about time Israel does annex area C to the rest of Israel.

Suspicious? What word would you like me to use to describe the magical beliefs people have spent millenia slaughtering each other over in the "holy" land? But sure Israel can annex whatever they want. I hope the U.S. doesn't get roped into anything stupid because of it.

We got it. You are anti religion and pro the US spitting Israel out as an Ally.

And surely you have the very same reasons that others like you have given.

And the reason is:

You Have No Idea Of What You Are Talking About !!!

 

[Sixties Fan]

It has nothing to do with religion

Then Israel wouldn't block Christians or Jewish offspring of Christians from becoming citizens. Don't try to cover up your chosen magical group's religious nonsense.

You are misinformed. No one is blocked from becoming a citizen of Israel, but Jews living in the Diaspora do have special rights to immigrate. Others, Christians, Muslims, etc. have to go through the same immigration process they would have to go through to emigrate to the US or European countries.

Keep in mind I was responding to a person that said religion had nothing to do with current Israeli's claims to the land. And people claiming the right to return because they are Jewish have been blocked from that on suspicion that a family member was a Christian or other religion.

It is always on an individual case. Israel has the right to implement the laws which keep the country safe.

Exactly what Christians and others have been blocked? Do you have a link, or are you simply assuming what you wrote?

I posted a link but just take a look at the law itself if you want. The Law of Return

Start your own thread about it.

Read what the subject of this thread is and stick to the topic.

 

[BlackFlag]

It has nothing to do with religion

Then Israel wouldn't block Christians or Jewish offspring of Christians from becoming citizens. Don't try to cover up your chosen magical group's religious nonsense.

You are misinformed. No one is blocked from becoming a citizen of Israel, but Jews living in the Diaspora do have special rights to immigrate. Others, Christians, Muslims, etc. have to go through the same immigration process they would have to go through to emigrate to the US or European countries.

Keep in mind I was responding to a person that said religion had nothing to do with current Israeli's claims to the land. And people claiming the right to return because they are Jewish have been blocked from that on suspicion that a family member was a Christian or other religion.

The thing to keep in mind is you made a false statement. You said people who were not seen a Jewish were blocked from citizenship, and that is not true. Now you are saying that if some relative was not Jewish you have no right of return, and that is not true. If your mother is Jewish by birth and has not formally renounced Judaism before you were born, you are Jewish and have th right of return to Israel. When you continue to make hostile false statements about Israel you are defining yourself as an ignorant bigot.

I posted a link to the Jewish daughter of a holocaust survivor being denied the right of return because her father was suspected of having converted to Christianity. I also posted the law of return itself for you to review.

 

[BlackFlag]

Then Israel wouldn't block Christians or Jewish offspring of Christians from becoming citizens. Don't try to cover up your chosen magical group's religious nonsense.

Not factual. Children of Israeli citizens are Israeli citizens.

Yes, factual. There is no right of return for those descended from Israel, unless they are Jewish without suspicion of loyalty to any other magic.

Your use of the word "magic" is rather suspicious.

Let us get back to the subject of the thread.

Yes, it is about time Israel does annex area C to the rest of Israel.

Suspicious? What word would you like me to use to describe the magical beliefs people have spent millenia slaughtering each other over in the "holy" land? But sure Israel can annex whatever they want. I hope the U.S. doesn't get roped into anything stupid because of it.

We got it. You are anti religion and pro the US spitting Israel out as an Ally.

And surely you have the very same reasons that others like you have given.

And the reason is:

You Have No Idea Of What You Are Talking About !!!

I am not anti-religion until there start to be consequences from people acting on stupid magical nonsense. I also think Israel invites problems to their situation, and that shouldn't be reinforced.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Then Israel wouldn't block Christians or Jewish offspring of Christians from becoming citizens. Don't try to cover up your chosen magical group's religious nonsense.

Not factual. Children of Israeli citizens are Israeli citizens.

Yes, factual. There is no right of return for those descended from Israel, unless they are Jewish without suspicion of loyalty to any other magic.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Holding strong opinions that are not based on facts is a definition of bigotry.

Here's a quick example: Israel deporting Swedish Holocaust survivor's daughter - because her father allegedly converted

I suspect you will deny it.

Her application was rejected because she had been baptized, not because her father converted.

"The Law of Return allows for anyone with a Jewish grandparent to make aliya, but excludes those who have voluntarily changed their religion. The Population and Immigration Bureau rejected her application on the grounds that she was baptized when she was one week old.

Swedish daughter of Holocaust survivor faces deportation from Israel

 

[Sixties Fan]

Did he mention all of Judea and Samaria? Or just Area C?

Annexing Area C, and applying Israeli law over all of it, is just good for everyone. Start giving growth and building permits to the Arab Palestinians. Load them up with goodies. All the goodies.

The problem with this is that we would be creating another Gaza in Areas A and B. An island of Arab Palestine which would in all likelihood be required to be cut off and isolated as Gaza is. The question is whether or not people think that is a manageable problem. And how people think other Arab countries may respond.

I believe he mentioned all of the major settlement blocs as well as isolated settlements. He also said there would be a military presence in the Jordan Valley, and no Palestinian state because that would be a danger to Israel. Sounds like a pretty hefty chunk of the West Bank to me, if not all of it.

Ugh. Please do not say West Bank. It is like saying Palestine only because the Romans and the British named the area that.

The Arabs can call their areas what they want to call them.

To me, always Judea and Samaria

 

[BlackFlag]

Then Israel wouldn't block Christians or Jewish offspring of Christians from becoming citizens. Don't try to cover up your chosen magical group's religious nonsense.

You are misinformed. No one is blocked from becoming a citizen of Israel, but Jews living in the Diaspora do have special rights to immigrate. Others, Christians, Muslims, etc. have to go through the same immigration process they would have to go through to emigrate to the US or European countries.

Keep in mind I was responding to a person that said religion had nothing to do with current Israeli's claims to the land. And people claiming the right to return because they are Jewish have been blocked from that on suspicion that a family member was a Christian or other religion.

It is always on an individual case. Israel has the right to implement the laws which keep the country safe.

Exactly what Christians and others have been blocked? Do you have a link, or are you simply assuming what you wrote?

I posted a link but just take a look at the law itself if you want. The Law of Return

Start your own thread about it.

Read what the subject of this thread is and stick to the topic.

You steered the conversation this way when you claimed religion had nothing to do with the Israeli claim to Israel. I think you can drop that facade now.

 

[BlackFlag]

Then Israel wouldn't block Christians or Jewish offspring of Christians from becoming citizens. Don't try to cover up your chosen magical group's religious nonsense.

Not factual. Children of Israeli citizens are Israeli citizens.

Yes, factual. There is no right of return for those descended from Israel, unless they are Jewish without suspicion of loyalty to any other magic.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Holding strong opinions that are not based on facts is a definition of bigotry.

Here's a quick example: Israel deporting Swedish Holocaust survivor's daughter - because her father allegedly converted

I suspect you will deny it.

Her application was rejected because she had been baptized, not because her father converted.

"The Law of Return allows for anyone with a Jewish grandparent to make aliya, but excludes those who have voluntarily changed their religion. The Population and Immigration Bureau rejected her application on the grounds that she was baptized when she was one week old.

Swedish daughter of Holocaust survivor faces deportation from Israel

That supports my point. Remember when I said "unless they are Jewish without suspicion of loyalty to any other magic?" You called me a bigot for that. Remember? Well this woman was under suspicion of possible loyalty to other magic. So bam, citizenship blocked.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

" [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio

" ... we should prepare to go over to the offensive with the aim of smashing Lebanon, Trans-jordan and Syria... The weak point in the Arab coalition is Lebanon [for] the Moslem regime is artificial and easy to undermine. A Christian state should be established... When we smash the [Arab] Legions strength and bomb Amman, we will eliminate Transjordan, too, and then Syria will fall. If Egypt still dares to fight on, we shall bomb Port Said, Alexandria, and Cairo." " David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

"We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).


So, The US Government supports a terrorist state. No surprise.

AmeriKKKa is sowing what it reaps, and people wonder why our nation is dying a slow but sure death.

Who knows if any of these "quotes" are accurate. Looking over them, some appear to be hearsay or secondary sources. This book "You Gentiles" that you quoted seems to be a sequel to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Please don't clog up my thread with anti-Jewish tropes.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Not factual. Children of Israeli citizens are Israeli citizens.

Yes, factual. There is no right of return for those descended from Israel, unless they are Jewish without suspicion of loyalty to any other magic.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Holding strong opinions that are not based on facts is a definition of bigotry.

Here's a quick example: Israel deporting Swedish Holocaust survivor's daughter - because her father allegedly converted

I suspect you will deny it.

Her application was rejected because she had been baptized, not because her father converted.

"The Law of Return allows for anyone with a Jewish grandparent to make aliya, but excludes those who have voluntarily changed their religion. The Population and Immigration Bureau rejected her application on the grounds that she was baptized when she was one week old.

Swedish daughter of Holocaust survivor faces deportation from Israel

That supports my point. Remember when I said "unless they are Jewish without suspicion of loyalty to any other magic?" You called me a bigot for that. Remember? Well this woman was under suspicion of possible loyalty to other magic. So bam, citizenship blocked.

Baptism is a renunciation of Judaism, so while she could apply to become a citizen of Israel, she could not claim to be a Jew.

 

[BlackFlag]

Yes, factual. There is no right of return for those descended from Israel, unless they are Jewish without suspicion of loyalty to any other magic.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Holding strong opinions that are not based on facts is a definition of bigotry.

Here's a quick example: Israel deporting Swedish Holocaust survivor's daughter - because her father allegedly converted

I suspect you will deny it.

Her application was rejected because she had been baptized, not because her father converted.

"The Law of Return allows for anyone with a Jewish grandparent to make aliya, but excludes those who have voluntarily changed their religion. The Population and Immigration Bureau rejected her application on the grounds that she was baptized when she was one week old.

Swedish daughter of Holocaust survivor faces deportation from Israel

That supports my point. Remember when I said "unless they are Jewish without suspicion of loyalty to any other magic?" You called me a bigot for that. Remember? Well this woman was under suspicion of possible loyalty to other magic. So bam, citizenship blocked.

Baptism is a renunciation of Judaism, so while she could apply to become a citizen of Israel, she could not claim to be a Jew.

A one week only baby cannot renounce anything. But anyways, thank you for supporting my point that magical beliefs are central to Israel's current existence.

 

[Shusha]

Here's a quick example: Israel deporting Swedish Holocaust survivor's daughter - because her father allegedly converted

I suspect you will deny it.

I remember that story. Wasn't she a Christian missionary?

Also, she wasn't blocked from immigrating. She just has to apply under the correct law. She doesn't qualify as an oleh. Those laws exist for reason.

Anyway...back to the subject.

 

[toomuchtime_]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Holding strong opinions that are not based on facts is a definition of bigotry.

Here's a quick example: Israel deporting Swedish Holocaust survivor's daughter - because her father allegedly converted

I suspect you will deny it.

Her application was rejected because she had been baptized, not because her father converted.

"The Law of Return allows for anyone with a Jewish grandparent to make aliya, but excludes those who have voluntarily changed their religion. The Population and Immigration Bureau rejected her application on the grounds that she was baptized when she was one week old.

Swedish daughter of Holocaust survivor faces deportation from Israel

That supports my point. Remember when I said "unless they are Jewish without suspicion of loyalty to any other magic?" You called me a bigot for that. Remember? Well this woman was under suspicion of possible loyalty to other magic. So bam, citizenship blocked.

Baptism is a renunciation of Judaism, so while she could apply to become a citizen of Israel, she could not claim to be a Jew.

A one week only baby cannot renounce anything. But anyways, thank you for supporting my point that magical beliefs are central to Israel's current existence.

Obviously, religion is central to your hostility towards Israel, but since she never made an effort to renounce that baptism, even after living in Israel for several years on a tourist visa, she cannot now claim she is a Jew.

 

[BlackFlag]

Here's a quick example: Israel deporting Swedish Holocaust survivor's daughter - because her father allegedly converted

I suspect you will deny it.

I remember that story. Wasn't she a Christian missionary?

Also, she wasn't blocked from immigrating. She just has to apply under the correct law. She doesn't qualify as an oleh. Those laws exist for reason.

Anyway...back to the subject.

Again, you folks don't seem to realizing you are making my point for me. Magical beliefs as a determinant of candidacy for citizenship.

 

[BlackFlag]

Here's a quick example: Israel deporting Swedish Holocaust survivor's daughter - because her father allegedly converted

I suspect you will deny it.

Her application was rejected because she had been baptized, not because her father converted.

"The Law of Return allows for anyone with a Jewish grandparent to make aliya, but excludes those who have voluntarily changed their religion. The Population and Immigration Bureau rejected her application on the grounds that she was baptized when she was one week old.

Swedish daughter of Holocaust survivor faces deportation from Israel

That supports my point. Remember when I said "unless they are Jewish without suspicion of loyalty to any other magic?" You called me a bigot for that. Remember? Well this woman was under suspicion of possible loyalty to other magic. So bam, citizenship blocked.

Baptism is a renunciation of Judaism, so while she could apply to become a citizen of Israel, she could not claim to be a Jew.

A one week only baby cannot renounce anything. But anyways, thank you for supporting my point that magical beliefs are central to Israel's current existence.

Obviously, religion is central to your hostility towards Israel, but since she never made an effort to renounce that baptism, even after living in Israel for several years on a tourist visa, she cannot now claim she is a Jew.

I don't think you realize what point I am making. I suspect you rarely realize much of anything.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Here's a quick example: Israel deporting Swedish Holocaust survivor's daughter - because her father allegedly converted

I suspect you will deny it.

I remember that story. Wasn't she a Christian missionary?

Also, she wasn't blocked from immigrating. She just has to apply under the correct law. She doesn't qualify as an oleh. Those laws exist for reason.

Anyway...back to the subject.

Again, you folks don't seem to realizing you are making my point for me. Magical beliefs as a determinant of candidacy for citizenship.

Unless your point is that you are an ignorant bigot, you have no point. Anyone can become a citizen of Israel regardless of their religion.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Here's a quick example: Israel deporting Swedish Holocaust survivor's daughter - because her father allegedly converted

I suspect you will deny it.

I remember that story. Wasn't she a Christian missionary?

Also, she wasn't blocked from immigrating. She just has to apply under the correct law. She doesn't qualify as an oleh. Those laws exist for reason.

Anyway...back to the subject.

Again, you folks don't seem to realizing you are making my point for me. Magical beliefs as a determinant of candidacy for citizenship.

Your "magical beliefs" belong in the religion community and not here.

You are the one making your own points because you are the only one who believes in them around here. Reality says otherwise and you may not be a fan of it.

 

[Shusha]

I believe he mentioned all of the major settlement blocs as well as isolated settlements. He also said there would be a military presence in the Jordan Valley, and no Palestinian state because that would be a danger to Israel. Sounds like a pretty hefty chunk of the West Bank to me, if not all of it.

Sounds very much like the plan is to annex all (or most) of Area C. It think its inevitable.

I feel sorry for the Arab Palestinians stuck in Areas A and B. They are in for a rough time. But then, I support their right to self-determination and self-government. If they choose a rough time, like Gaza did, well, its on them.