AP: Iceland's volcanic ash halts flights across Europe

[Big Fitz]

As a general rule, a small volcano can cool the earth for about a year. 1980 was a really cold year after St. Helens. And Pinutabo had a cooling effect as well.

Worst cold spell for a long time was after Krakatoa. That was a year without a summer. And the winter of 1888 was spectacularly awful.

So look for next year to be another cold one.

Interesting.

yep. Krakatoa IIRC cooled off the globe for about 2 years but as a consolation, the sunsets were awesome. There's a series of paintings done by an English artist of these sunsets. I just can't recall his name.

 

[The T]

Wait until old rockhead gets the info on this. I'm sure barry will use this article to help push his cap and trade though.

“Our work suggests that eventually there will be either somewhat larger eruptions or more frequent eruptions in Iceland in coming decades,” said Freysteinn Sigmundsson, a vulcanologist at the University of Iceland.

“Global warming melts ice and this can influence magmatic systems,” he told Reuters. The end of the Ice Age 10,000 years ago coincided with a surge in volcanic activity in Iceland, apparently because huge ice caps thinned and the land rose.

“We believe the reduction of ice has not been important in triggering this latest eruption,” he said of Eyjafjallajokull. “The eruption is happening under a relatively small ice cap.”

Carolina Pagli, a geophysicist at the University of Leeds in England, said there were risks that climate change could also trigger volcanic eruptions or earthquakes in places such as Mount Erebus in Antarctica, the Aleutian islands of Alaska or Patagonia in South America.


Moonbats Now Claim Global Warming Causes Volcano Eruptions PA Pundits – International

So in effect? 'Climate Change' is responsible for the Earth's plates moving?

 

[editec]

As a general rule, a small volcano can cool the earth for about a year. 1980 was a really cold year after St. Helens. And Pinutabo had a cooling effect as well.

Worst cold spell for a long time was after Krakatoa. That was a year without a summer. And the winter of 1888 was spectacularly awful.

So look for next year to be another cold one.

Interesting.

The important thing is to capitalize upon European misfortune.......I'm going Beaver Hunting.

They're in my back yard.

They're way too cute to kill.

 

[Meister]

Wait until old rockhead gets the info on this. I'm sure barry will use this article to help push his cap and trade though.

“Our work suggests that eventually there will be either somewhat larger eruptions or more frequent eruptions in Iceland in coming decades,” said Freysteinn Sigmundsson, a vulcanologist at the University of Iceland.

“Global warming melts ice and this can influence magmatic systems,” he told Reuters. The end of the Ice Age 10,000 years ago coincided with a surge in volcanic activity in Iceland, apparently because huge ice caps thinned and the land rose.

“We believe the reduction of ice has not been important in triggering this latest eruption,” he said of Eyjafjallajokull. “The eruption is happening under a relatively small ice cap.”

Carolina Pagli, a geophysicist at the University of Leeds in England, said there were risks that climate change could also trigger volcanic eruptions or earthquakes in places such as Mount Erebus in Antarctica, the Aleutian islands of Alaska or Patagonia in South America.


Moonbats Now Claim Global Warming Causes Volcano Eruptions PA Pundits – International

So in effect? 'Climate Change' is responsible for the Earth's plates moving?

Well, YEAAAAAH. C'mon, T. don't be a deny'er.

 

[goldcatt]

As a general rule, a small volcano can cool the earth for about a year. 1980 was a really cold year after St. Helens. And Pinutabo had a cooling effect as well.

Worst cold spell for a long time was after Krakatoa. That was a year without a summer. And the winter of 1888 was spectacularly awful.

So look for next year to be another cold one.

Interesting.

yep. Krakatoa IIRC cooled off the globe for about 2 years but as a consolation, the sunsets were awesome. There's a series of paintings done by an English artist of these sunsets. I just can't recall his name.

It was also the catalyst for, among other things, Shelley's work on Frankenstein. Could have a worse silver lining, I suppose.

 

[RadiomanATL]

I'm looking forward to a cooler summer. That would be awesome.

 

[Samson]

Interesting.

The important thing is to capitalize upon European misfortune.......I'm going Beaver Hunting.

They're in my back yard.

They're way too cute to kill.

I predict a run-up on the price of Alpaca

 

[mal]

I still can't find Data... Not even Estimates on how Bad this Erruption is for the Environment...



peace...

 

[konradv]

So in effect? 'Climate Change' is responsible for the Earth's plates moving?
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Where does it say that? If climate change does anything, it adds more water to the magma, thereby increasing the force of the eruption. It has nothing to do with the plates.

 

[Intense]

As a general rule, a small volcano can cool the earth for about a year. 1980 was a really cold year after St. Helens. And Pinutabo had a cooling effect as well.

Worst cold spell for a long time was after Krakatoa. That was a year without a summer. And the winter of 1888 was spectacularly awful.

So look for next year to be another cold one.

Interesting.

yep. Krakatoa IIRC cooled off the globe for about 2 years but as a consolation, the sunsets were awesome. There's a series of paintings done by an English artist of these sunsets. I just can't recall his name.

J. M. W. Turner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



LONDON - The vivid sunsets painted by J.M.W. Turner are revered for their use of color and light and for their influence on the Impressionists. But could they also help global warming experts track climate change?

A group of scientists has studied the colors in more than 500 paintings of sunsets, including many of Turner’s 19th-century watercolors and oils, in hopes of gaining insights into the cooling effects caused by major volcanic eruptions.

By better understanding past changes in climate, they hope to improve computer models for future climate change.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22010333

 

[Big Fitz]

I still can't find Data... Not even Estimates on how Bad this Erruption is for the Environment...



peace...

Well, consider this. I have a family friend who's a retired vulcanologist. A long time ago about 1990 or so, he pointed out to me that one moderate volcanic eruption equals the same amount of pollution as mankind has done throughout it's entire history.

So, I wonder how much more this has done for it was a whopper. Combine with that the fact that we'll be cooling all this year and possibly into the next now thanks to this... hmmmm kinda destroys further the AGW Myth.

 

[mal]

I still can't find Data... Not even Estimates on how Bad this Erruption is for the Environment...



peace...

Well, consider this. I have a family friend who's a retired vulcanologist. A long time ago about 1990 or so, he pointed out to me that one moderate volcanic eruption equals the same amount of pollution as mankind has done throughout it's entire history.

So, I wonder how much more this has done for it was a whopper. Combine with that the fact that we'll be cooling all this year and possibly into the next now thanks to this... hmmmm kinda destroys further the AGW Myth.

I heard that the one in Chile was Equal to ALL of the 100+ Years of the Automobile... In one Blast.



peace...

 

[Old Rocks]

I still can't find Data... Not even Estimates on how Bad this Erruption is for the Environment...



peace...

Well, consider this. I have a family friend who's a retired vulcanologist. A long time ago about 1990 or so, he pointed out to me that one moderate volcanic eruption equals the same amount of pollution as mankind has done throughout it's entire history.

So, I wonder how much more this has done for it was a whopper. Combine with that the fact that we'll be cooling all this year and possibly into the next now thanks to this... hmmmm kinda destroys further the AGW Myth.

Then your freind is one dumb ass.

Volcanic Gases and Their Effects

Comparison of CO2 emissions from volcanoes vs. human activities.
Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1991). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 27 billion tonnes per year (30 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 2006) - The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2, through 2003.]. Human activities release more than 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of more than 8,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 3.3 million tonnes/year)! (Gerlach et. al., 2002)

Now that is a very informative USGS site, not the meanderings of an unnamed vulcanologist. I think your 'friend' would be very embarrased if he saw this post with your referance to him.

 

[Old Rocks]

I still can't find Data... Not even Estimates on how Bad this Erruption is for the Environment...



peace...

Well, consider this. I have a family friend who's a retired vulcanologist. A long time ago about 1990 or so, he pointed out to me that one moderate volcanic eruption equals the same amount of pollution as mankind has done throughout it's entire history.

So, I wonder how much more this has done for it was a whopper. Combine with that the fact that we'll be cooling all this year and possibly into the next now thanks to this... hmmmm kinda destroys further the AGW Myth.

I heard that the one in Chile was Equal to ALL of the 100+ Years of the Automobile... In one Blast.



peace...

I have heard that posting one sources is embarrasing when that source is ones own asshole.

 

[Old Rocks]

I still can't find Data... Not even Estimates on how Bad this Erruption is for the Environment...



peace...

This is not a bad eruption yet. Not going that high, and not injecting massive suphates into the stratosphere, as Krakatoa and Tambora did. However, the typical flourides associated with the eruption are very bad for animals drinking surface water or eating the grasses and foliage.

Thus far, it should have very little affect on the climate.

 

[Intense]

Please check out the link. The cut and paste does not do it justice.


Volcanic Gases and Their Effects
Magma contains dissolved gases that are released into the atmosphere during eruptions. Gases are also released from magma that either remains below ground (for example, as an intrusion) or is rising toward the surface. In such cases, gases may escape continuously into the atmosphere from the soil, volcanic vents, fumaroles, and hydrothermal systems.

At high pressures deep beneath the earth's surface, volcanic gases are dissolved in molten rock. But as magma rises toward the surface where the pressure is lower, gases held in the melt begin to form tiny bubbles. The increasing volume taken up by gas bubbles makes the magma less dense than the surrounding rock, which may allow the magma to continue its upward journey. Closer to the surface, the bubbles increase in number and size so that the gas volume may exceed the melt volume in the magma, creating a magma foam. The rapidly expanding gas bubbles of the foam can lead to explosive eruptions in which the melt is fragmented into pieces of volcanic rock, known as tephra. If the molten rock is not fragmented by explosive activity, a lava flow will be generated.

Together with the tephra and entrained air, volcanic gases can rise tens of kilometers into Earth's atmosphere during large explosive eruptions. Once airborne, the prevailing winds may blow the eruption cloud hundreds to thousands of kilometers from a volcano. The gases spread from an erupting vent primarily as acid aerosols (tiny acid droplets), compounds attached to tephra particles, and microscopic salt particles.

Volcanic gases undergo a tremendous increase in volume when magma rises to the Earth's surface and erupts. For example, consider what happens if one cubic meter of 900°C rhyolite magma containing five percent by weight of dissolved water were suddenly brought from depth to the surface. The one cubic meter of magma now would occupy a volume of 670 m3 as a mixture of water vapor and magma at atmospheric pressure (Sparks et. al., 1997)! The one meter cube at depth would increase to 8.75 m on each side at the surface. Such enormous expansion of volcanic gases, primarily water, is the main driving force of explosive eruptions.

The most abundant gas typically released into the atmosphere from volcanic systems is water vapor (H20), followed by carbon dioxide (C02) and sulfur dioxide (S02). Volcanoes also release smaller amounts of others gases, including hydrogen sulfide (H2S), hydrogen (H2), carbon monoxide (CO), hydrogen chloride (HCL), hydrogen fluoride (HF), and helium (He). ........


Comparison of CO2 emissions from volcanoes vs. human activities.
Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1991). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 27 billion tonnes per year (30 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 2006) - The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2, through 2003.]. Human activities release more than 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of more than 8,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 3.3 million tonnes/year)! (Gerlach et. al., 2002)


Historical examples of the effects of carbon dioxide gas
•Mammoth Mountain in Long Valley Caldera, California kills trees near Mammoth Mountain, California

Hydrogen Chloride (HCl)
Chlorine gas is emitted from volcanoes in the form of hydrochloric acid (HCl). Exposure to the gas irritates mucous membranes of the eyes and respiratory tract. Concentrations over 35 ppm cause irritation of the throat after short exposure; >100 ppm results in pulmonary edema, and often laryngeal spasm. It also causes acid rain downwind from volcanoes because HCl is extremely soluble in condensing water droplets and it is a very "strong acid" (it dissociates extensively to give H+ ions in the droplets).


Hydrogen Fluoride (HF)
Fluorine is a pale yellow gas that attaches to fine ash particles, coats grass, and pollutes streams and lakes. Exposure to this powerful caustic irritant can cause conjunctivitis, skin irritation, bone degeneration and mottling of teeth. Excess fluorine results in a significant cause of death and injury in livestock during ash eruptions. Even in areas that receive just a millimeter of ash, poisoning can occur where the fluorine content of dried grass exceeds 250 ppm. Animals that eat grass coated with fluorine-tainted ash are poisoned. Small amounts of fluorine can be beneficial, but excess fluorine causes fluorosis, an affliction that eventually kills animals by destroying their bones. It also promotes acid rain effects downwind of volcanoes, like HCl.

Volcanic Gases and Their Effects

 

[Old Rocks]

Absolutely check out that site. A very valuable source of information. And note the differance in the amount of CO2, anthropogenic and volcanic.

 

[Big Fitz]

I still can't find Data... Not even Estimates on how Bad this Erruption is for the Environment...



peace...

Well, consider this. I have a family friend who's a retired vulcanologist. A long time ago about 1990 or so, he pointed out to me that one moderate volcanic eruption equals the same amount of pollution as mankind has done throughout it's entire history.

So, I wonder how much more this has done for it was a whopper. Combine with that the fact that we'll be cooling all this year and possibly into the next now thanks to this... hmmmm kinda destroys further the AGW Myth.

Then your freind is one dumb ass.

Volcanic Gases and Their Effects

Comparison of CO2 emissions from volcanoes vs. human activities.
Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1991). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 27 billion tonnes per year (30 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 2006) - The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2, through 2003.]. Human activities release more than 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of more than 8,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 3.3 million tonnes/year)! (Gerlach et. al., 2002)

Now that is a very informative USGS site, not the meanderings of an unnamed vulcanologist. I think your 'friend' would be very embarrased if he saw this post with your referance to him.

You sit there playing judge and jury over what is and isn't science, and who is and isn't telling the truth. Mendacious hypocrite.

Only your blogs and fraudulent scientists pimping a false theory are true. Nobody can have gotten information from a personal interview and discussion, because only truth is found on the interwebz to you.

Oh no. You and your incestuous 'peer reviewed' bullshit which has had it's bubble popped as being nothing more than talking points culled from WWF press releases, college students dissertations based on circumstantial evidence from interviews with ice climbing guides in the Himalayas. Oh, and then showed to not have been peer reviewed at all.

Of course, then all those who doubt you are wild eyed detractors who are ignorant and not debating the "science".

You sir, are nigh inconceivable in the depths of your hypocrisy.

 

[Meister]

Damn good post, Fitz. I kind of said the same thing on another thread, but then read this one. You are so correct with old rocks.

 

[Old Rocks]

In other words, both of you clowns have posted shit, and got called on it.

You find good science in peer reviewed journals, not in posts on the internet that are without referances and fail to site any sources.

You fellows pull stuff out of your ass, and it will get named for the shit it is.