Are Biden's issuance of presidential pardons going too far?

[martybegan]

Where does it say that in the Constitution?

Where does it say we can't review the definition of a pardon?

 

[martybegan]

Doesn't matter. Next!

Yes it does.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

They were accused of a specific Crime. Draft dodging.

I don't do anything, but I expect some lawyers to begin the lawsuit process.

Not a single one of them had ever been charged.

What law will they claim he broke? What is their standing to sue for a redress of grievances?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Where does it say we can't review the definition of a pardon?

Where does it say you can is the more important question!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yes it does.

No, It doesn't. Next!

 

[martybegan]

Not a single one of them had ever been charged.

What law will they claim he broke? What is their standing to sue for a redress of grievances?

Trump will sue because his DOJ has been denied the chance to charge them.

Not over the content of the pardon, but that a pardon needs to pardon some specific crime.

This question has not been asked before.

 

[martybegan]

Where does it say you can is the more important question!

The entire concept of judicial review.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

There can be a review on what constitutes a pardon.

No. Common law derived from English royal pardons. Try again.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Trump will sue because his DOJ has been denied the chance to charge them.

Not over the content of the pardon, but that a pardon needs to pardon some specific crime.

This question has not been asked before.

Where does it say that in the Constitution?

Why do you persist is making shit up as you go? Pardons have never been challenged before, and there have been some whoppers! There is simply nothing you can do about it without magically creating new laws that do not and have not existed.

 

[martybegan]

Where does it say that in the Constitution?

Why do you persist is making shit up as you go? Pardons have never been challenged before, and there have been some whoppers! There is simply nothing you can do about it without magically creating new laws that do not and have not existed.

Again, it's not about who is pardoned or why, or even who did it, it's about it being a pardon at all when you don't pardon them for a specific crime?

Are you on the spectrum or something when it comes to this?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Where does it say we can't review the definition of a pardon?

Where does it say you can? I can do this all day if you have a mind to. Seems a waste of time for me.

No court cases will come of this that will get past an initial hearing if at all. Case law says pardons cannot be challenged. Why don't you accept this as fact, because that is exactly what it is? Every President has had pardons that drew massive critics, but exactly zero have been overturned, simply because there is no mechanism to do so. Push the I believe button, go cry into your corn flakes, and get on with your life. good things are happening in the world. Let us rejoice and be glad in it!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Again, it's not about who is pardoned or why, or even who did it, it's about it being a pardon at all when you don't pardon them for a specific crime?

Are you on the spectrum or something when it comes to this?

The question would be better addressed to you as I have facts on my side, and you have your hurt "feelings".

 

[martybegan]

Where does it say you can? I can do this all day if you have a mind to. Seems a waste of time for me.

No court cases will come of this that will get past an initial hearing if at all. Case law says pardons cannot be challenged. Why don't you accept this as fact, because that is exactly what it is? Every President has had pardons that drew massive critics, but exactly zero have been overturned, simply because there is no mechanism to do so. Push the I believe button, go cry into your corn flakes, and get on with your life. good things are happening in the world. Let us rejoice and be glad in it!

yep, you are riding the spectrum.

 

[martybegan]

The question would be better addressed to you as I have facts on my side, and you have your hurt "feelings".

No, you don't. you just say nope nope nope, thinking I am talking about the who/what/why of the pardon, i.e. the merits when I am talking about the very definition of it. It's why we have a supreme court in the first fucking place when it comes to things like this.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

yep, you are riding the spectrum.

What I would say about your behavior is that you are not on the spectrum, but lacking in social skills based on willful ignorance.

 

[martybegan]

What I would say about your behavior is that you are not on the spectrum, but lacking in social skills based on willful ignorance.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No, you don't. you just say nope nope nope, thinking I am talking about the who/what/why of the pardon, i.e. the merits when I am talking about the very definition of it. It's why we have a supreme court in the first fucking place when it comes to things like this.

For about the 10th time, where do you find it in the Constitution that pardons are reviewable?

Can you show me a case where a pardon was even challenged, much less overturned?

I guess the concept of checks and balances eludes you.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

That would be what you are doing. You are the one claiming pardons can be reviewed and overturned just because you want it to be that way.

 

[martybegan]

For about the 10th time, where do you find it in the Constitution that pardons are reviewable?

Can you show me a case where a pardon was even challenged, much less overturned?

I guess the concept of checks and balances eludes you.

It's not reviewing the pardon itself, it's clarifying the definition of a pardon.

Just like they clarified what arms relates to via Heller, or speech relates to via Citizens United, or equal protection relates to, first fucking it up via Plessey, then fixing it under Brown.

 

[martybegan]

That would be what you are doing. You are the one claiming pardons can be reviewed and overturned just because you want it to be that way.

Not the pardon itself, but defining what constitutes a pardon.