Are we allowed to say anything bad about Islam?

[SuperDemocrat]

I'm just kind of wondering why it is Islam seems to get special consideration when discussing the merits of the religion itself. I can pretty much rip into any religion in the world and no one would complain to much and we definitely wouldn't see the forces of political correctness and the democratic party rush to their defense. Most of the people who defend Islam from criticism are not even muslims themselves so why would they take it so personally?

The question stands. Are we allowed to say anything bad about Islam and if so what are we allowed to say about it? In what way is deemed acceptable to criticize this religion? Who decides what is acceptable and not acceptable. Clearly I don't have a vote in the decision so this protection about Islam is really being decided by someone else which is nothing more than one human being telling another what to say and think in this country. I would thing than in a democracy that we should be able to come together as equals and decide what is acceptable and what is not but no such process seems to exist for these kind of subjects. It is like we have to petition the politically correct crowd over what is allowed to be said and discussed by the people in this country. The last time I checked this was a society of equals and the people have all the say of what can be discussed among themselves.

Political correctness just seem undemocratic sometimes because some other mysterious social force else gets to decide what can be said and not said in this society. I sure don't sit on a p.c. committee or get to elect members to its board to decide what is acceptable and what is not.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

There is a strong bias against any who criticize Islam on this board, but criticism is allowed. It's more a case of being held to a different standard than the pro-Islamist posters here.

In terms of the country as a whole, a larger and large portion of the left has turned its back on liberalism in order to defend Islam, but these authoritarians only try to stop criticism by name calling and attempted shaming, for the most part. They do not yet have enough power to enforce the Islamist objective of criminalizing speech, however.

 

[emilynghiem]

I'm just kind of wondering why it is Islam seems to get special consideration when discussing the merits of the religion itself. I can pretty much rip into any religion in the world and no one would complain to much and we definitely wouldn't see the forces of political correctness and the democratic party rush to their defense. Most of the people who defend Islam from criticism are not even muslims themselves so why would they take it so personally?

The question stands. Are we allowed to say anything bad about Islam and if so what are we allowed to say about it? In what way is deemed acceptable to criticize this religion? Who decides what is acceptable and not acceptable. Clearly I don't have a vote in the decision so this protection about Islam is really being decided by someone else which is nothing more than one human being telling another what to say and think in this country. I would thing than in a democracy that we should be able to come together as equals and decide what is acceptable and what is not but no such process seems to exist for these kind of subjects. It is like we have to petition the politically correct crowd over what is allowed to be said and discussed by the people in this country. The last time I checked this was a society of equals and the people have all the say of what can be discussed among themselves.

Political correctness just seem undemocratic sometimes because some other mysterious social force else gets to decide what can be said and not said in this society. I sure don't sit on a p.c. committee or get to elect members to its board to decide what is acceptable and what is not.

It helps if you are Islamic and you criticize your own group for its weaknesses.

When I spoke with Mustafaa Carroll of CAIR he said it is more the followers of Islam who
need reform. He finds that if the teachings are taught correctly, there are no conflicts, but people stick to what is true and good for humanity, what is consistent both with God's natural laws (which Constitutional principles are based on) and with the Jewish Torah Christian scriptures. And what is just pure good common sense. For example it makes no sense to force religion on people, because the faith is fake. It is only real if it is freely chosen. Thus to him it is just common sense to follow Mohammad's teaching "there is no compulsion in religion." If people don't get this and don't follow it, but go around forcing their beliefs on others, and especially if they use violence and war, that is so far off base from the peaceful teachings of Islam it's not even recognizable to Muslims who are teaching this violence is against the law.

He would like the Muslim people to be more proactive and integrated in the community
just like other Christian groups natural interact and do outreach to help humanity.

He said it isn't Islam that needs to be reformed, but the people following Islam.

I would have Muslim leaders like him who actively work with Christians and other peace and justice volunteers to promote nonviolence and peaceful society free of hatred that leads to war.
And have THESE leaders address the problems facing Muslim members of society so they will listen.
The same way Christians who teach Christianity and the Bible correctly
are the best bet to addressing the problems of abusing religion to harm others.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Sharia law and the US constitution do not mix. The concepts, precepts, and rule of law are antithetical to each other. Our problems with islam go back to jefferson and the barbary pirates.

 

[g5000]

I can pretty much rip into any religion in the world and no one would complain to much and we definitely wouldn't see the forces of political correctness and the democratic party rush to their defense.

O'rly?

Go ahead and rip into Jews. See what happens.

 

[emilynghiem]

Sharia law and the US constitution do not mix. The concepts, precepts, and rule of law are antithetical to each other. Our problems with islam go back to jefferson and the barbary pirates.

Dear LordBrownTrout
You are talking about the political religion of mixing religious beliefs with govt especially military.
Of course that is against the Constitution.

However, Sharia actually refers to all practices of the Muslim faith: the prayers, the alms, the fasting etc.
So you cannot ban "sharia" without banning Islam.

You'd have to be more specific that laws cannot establish a religion.
It would be discrimination only to target Islam for this. All faiths should be banned from that.

How to make this work constitutionally? It can be done:
why not require ALL religious organizations (also why not all corporations why not all political parties and ANY collective entity) that registers for license to operate in the states
to incorporate a similar process to protect individuals from abuse or oppression
as in the Bill of Rights, but make this for private groups to follow as a safety precaution.

That way, no organization can be abused to collude to violate civil rights of individuals.
Any complaints would be required to be addressed and resolved by a grievance process so no abuses go unchecked.

If this is done for ALL religious groups (and you can see the history of complaints against Jehovah's Witnesses, LDS, Catholic priests, Scientologists, etc not just Islamic organizations)
then it would be constitutional to address religious cult and political abuses IN GENERAL.

This isn't targeting any one group, but recognizes ANY collective group can be abusive
and should follow something similar to the Bill of Rights to protect due process and right to petition for individuals.

 

[g5000]

The question stands. Are we allowed to say anything bad about Islam and if so what are we allowed to say about it?

It takes a special kind of retard to hate the victims of terrorism because of the terrorists.

ISIS has killed more Muslims than all our Presidents and Putin combined. So please explain how this makes all Muslims evil.

You know, I have never once heard anyone call the KKK "radical Christianity" or "Christian terrorism". Not. Once. And yet that is exactly what they are.

I've never seen anyone start a topic to discuss what is bad about Christianity because of the KKK. Not. Once.

So why don't we just follow the Right's longstanding tradition of political correctness when it comes to the KKK for all terrorists who use a religion as cover for their insanity?

ISIS®: Clinging To Our Guns And Religion™

 

[HappyJoy]

The question stands. Are we allowed to say anything bad about Islam and if so what are we allowed to say about it?

It takes a special kind of retard to hate the victims of terrorism because of the terrorists.

ISIS has killed more Muslims than all our Presidents and Putin combined. So please explain how this makes all Muslims evil.

You know, I have never once heard anyone call the KKK "radical Christianity" or "Christian terrorism". Not. Once. And yet that is exactly what they are.

I've never seen anyone start a topic to discuss what is bad about Christianity because of the KKK. Not. Once.

So why don't we just follow the Right's longstanding tradition of political correctness when it comes to the KKK for all terrorists who use a religion as cover for their insanity?

That's because the right thinks the kkk are a bunch of homosexual loving liberals with race cards in hand.

 

[MACAULAY]

Because the Black Politburo of:

Barack Obama,
Valerie Jarrett,
Jey Johnson,
Michelle Obama;
Loretta Lynch;
Susan Rice;
Eric Holder who certainly should have been impeached;

and their Token White Message Delivery Boy, John "Herman Munster" Kerry, who isn't smart enough to be Secretary of State, but his Ketchup Heiress Wife has bought him some nice Government Jobs.

All these Loons, Fools, Socialists, some possible or probable Muslims....they have all concluded that EVERYTHING recruits for Isis.

EVERYTHING America might do to stop Murderous Islamic Radicals, and the supposedly Moderate Muslims who aide and abet them, who cheer them on, and make them Mayrtrs, and glorify them after they have killed innocent Americans....everything pisses them off and causes Recruitment to go up...according to this Black Cabal of Fools, including some possible or problable Muslims.

That's the story these Fools who will be running this country for another 205 days wants us to believe-----GOD HELP US.

 

[emilynghiem]

The question stands. Are we allowed to say anything bad about Islam and if so what are we allowed to say about it?

It takes a special kind of retard to hate the victims of terrorism because of the terrorists.

ISIS has killed more Muslims than all our Presidents and Putin combined. So please explain how this makes all Muslims evil.

You know, I have never once heard anyone call the KKK "radical Christianity" or "Christian terrorism". Not. Once. And yet that is exactly what they are.

I've never seen anyone start a topic to discuss what is bad about Christianity because of the KKK. Not. Once.

So why don't we just follow the Right's longstanding tradition of political correctness when it comes to the KKK for all terrorists who use a religion as cover for their insanity?

ISIS®: Clinging To Our Guns And Religion™

Dear g5000 that's because the KKK have gotten smarter and do things through other groups. People complain about the Confederate flag and history issues, the support for the Tea Party, etc as being related to the KKK.

So it does come up indirectly when it surfaces with other issues related, even blaming Democrats for supporting KKK members or ex members and getting away with it.

I think the big KKK issue today is renaming of landmarks and schools, spending millions of dollars trying to wipe out Southern history because of association with racism and KKK.

But the only way to get any political clout behind it is to blame Republicans so it gets publicity. Blame Tea Party etc. The point is what is going to fly in the media.

 

[blackhawk]

Of course you can say something bad about Islam and you will be called racist for doing so the key is learning not to give a dam about those who call you racist.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Islam is a bunch of shit designed to control human beings using fear, concentrate wealth and deny freedoms.

May Allah be the main attraction at a leper bukake party.

Assholes.

 

[emilynghiem]

RE: a bunch of shit designed to control human beings using fear, concentrate wealth and deny freedoms.

Dear LoneLaugher
I think you just described the Democratic Party. No wonder the two get along!