Zone1 Assisted dying bill passes in the Lords. Will soon become law

[Tommy Tainant]

At last, the chance to legalise assisted dying in the UK – and end the untold, unnecessary anguish | Polly Toynbee

Tory MPs opposed to this human right have been swept away. On Friday in the Lords, a path towards choice will finally be set, says Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee

www.theguardian.com

I dont know if it is legal in the US but this has been opposed by conservatives for years.

Some of their arguments are compelling and I have my doubts at times. But I can ennvisage a structure put iin place to mitigate the consequences of this.

Reading this article it seems the move is a popular one in the country. We all have painful experiences of watching a loved one die. so I guess that is not a surprise.

Do you have such a law in the US. How does it work ?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

At last, the chance to legalise assisted dying in the UK – and end the untold, unnecessary anguish | Polly Toynbee

Tory MPs opposed to this human right have been swept away. On Friday in the Lords, a path towards choice will finally be set, says Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee

www.theguardian.com

I dont know if it is legal in the US but this has been opposed by conservatives for years.

Some of their arguments are compelling and I have my doubts at times. But I can ennvisage a structure put iin place to mitigate the consequences of this.

Reading this article it seems the move is a popular one in the country. We all have painful experiences of watching a loved one die. so I guess that is not a surprise.

Do you have such a law in the US. How does it work ?

Free to die is a natural right.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Free to die is a natural right.

It is currently a right denied.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

Oregon has an assisted suicide program for terminally ill patients in which medical professionals can provide the medication. I'm not sure of the details and am unaware of any other states that do this.
I've seen terminally ill patients that had pancreatic cancer and sometimes the medications weren't always doing a great job of cutting down the pain and it isn't pretty hearing a patient asking those around them to, "please kill them."
Loved ones try to keep their family member to stay alive. I understand their love and desire, but at the same time, it's actually selfish behavior to keep them alive against their terminally ill family member's strong wish to end the suffering.
Modern medicine has come a long way over centuries past and pain management has also come a long way, but then, it's always perfect.
If one is terminally ill, it should be their choice as to when they can end their life, not "how" though. Family members don't need to return home and find their loved one hanging by a strap from the rafters, or having bled out after slicing their wrists, or shot themselves. Medical professionals need to handle the issue.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

It is currently a right denied.

I moved to Washington a few years ago because I thought...

Anyway, it all worked out. But having to move across the continent in order to make my own life decisions without putting myself and others in the way of the NeoNazis in charge of death and dying...

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Oregon has an assisted suicide program for terminally ill patients in which medical professionals can provide the medication. I'm not sure of the details and am unaware of any other states that do this.

I've seen terminally ill patients that had pancreatic cancer and sometimes the medications weren't always doing a great job of cutting down the pain and it isn't pretty hearing a patient asking those around them to, "please kill them."

Loved ones try to keep their family member to stay alive. I understand their love and desire, but at the same time, it's actually selfish behavior to keep them alive against their terminally ill family member's strong wish to end the suffering.

Modern medicine has come a long way over centuries past and pain management has also come a long way, but then, it's always perfect.
If one is terminally ill, it should be their choice as to when they can end their life, not "how" though. Family members don't need to return home and find their loved one hanging by a strap from the rafters, or having bled out after slicing their wrists, or shot themselves. Medical professionals need to handle the issue.

The northwest is more realistic on this issue.

But why should people have to be terminally ill? Why is leaving this life a crime?

 

[Foxfyre]

At last, the chance to legalise assisted dying in the UK – and end the untold, unnecessary anguish | Polly Toynbee

Tory MPs opposed to this human right have been swept away. On Friday in the Lords, a path towards choice will finally be set, says Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee

www.theguardian.com

I dont know if it is legal in the US but this has been opposed by conservatives for years.

Some of their arguments are compelling and I have my doubts at times. But I can ennvisage a structure put iin place to mitigate the consequences of this.

Reading this article it seems the move is a popular one in the country. We all have painful experiences of watching a loved one die. so I guess that is not a surprise.

Do you have such a law in the US. How does it work ?

Euthanasia--the doctor administers a substance to end a life--is illegal everywhere in the U.S.A. but nine or ten states do allow 'assisted suicide" when a patient chooses to end his/her life because medically he/she has no quality of life left or any reasonable possibility of regaining quality of life. Other states are considering it.

The only downside I can think of is that when you are allowed to deliberately die, there is a component that it can become a 'duty to die' so that you are no longer a burden or whatever. And for most Americans, especially JudeoChristians, a 'duty to die' should never be acceptable in a moral/ethical culture.

 

[jotathought]

Free to die is a natural right.

So, you support suicide?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

So, you support suicide?

I support the right of people to take that option. It's not my business.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Euthanasia--the doctor administers a substance to end a life--is illegal everywhere in the U.S.A. but nine or ten states do allow 'assisted suicide" when a patient chooses to end his/her life because medically he/she has no quality of life left or any reasonable possibility of regaining quality of life. Other states are considering it.

The only downside I can think of is that when you are allowed to deliberately die, there is a component that it can become a 'duty to die' so that you are no longer a burden or whatever. And for most Americans, especially JudeoChristians, a 'duty to die' should never be acceptable in a moral/ethical culture.

Did that to a dog and a cat. It sucked, but it is what it is -- life cycle ending.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

The northwest is more realistic on this issue.

But why should people have to be terminally ill? Why is leaving this life a crime?

Let me put this to you. My wife's mother was a permanently institutionalized manic depressive patient. My wife was diagnosed with depression, although, I could see the highs, where the doctors who weren't around her regularly, missed them and thus they didn't add "manic" to the diagnosis. She died many years ago, not by suicide. My daughter was diagnosed with depression. She has no "highs." So, she like her mother, has to be on medication. It's genetic. The medication keeps her "in balance" and she does pretty well with the meds. Just because someone suffers from depression is no reason to toss their life away. Always seek a less than life-ending solution where possible.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Let me put this to you. My wife's mother was a permanently institutionalized manic depressive patient. My wife was diagnosed with depression, although, I could see the highs, where the doctors who weren't around her regularly, missed them and thus they didn't add "manic" to the diagnosis.

She died many years ago, not by suicide. My daughter was diagnosed with depression. She has no "highs." So, she like her mother, has to be on medication. It's genetic.

The medication keeps her "in balance" and she does pretty well with the meds. Just because someone suffers from depression is no reason to toss their life away. Always seek a less than life-ending solution where possible.

I do not advocate euthanasia for people with mental issues.

Let me put this to you -- I grew up around suicide attempts. Up close and personal. It has nothing to do with supporting control over one's own life.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

No matter how altruistic assisted dying starts out. It always ends up in the same place, holding people down for the death shot while they kick and scream, fighting for their lives.

 

[Captain Caveman]

No matter how altruistic assisted dying starts out. It always ends up in the same place, holding people down for the death shot while they kick and scream, fighting for their lives.

It's the trickle effect. For example, the gays. Take the faggots off the mental illness register, what can go wrong? And here we are with trannies grooming kids in schools with the support of the education system and government.

With assisted dying, starts with the terminally ill, then those who can't live on after the cat was ran over, then a fat kid wants to end his/her life after dropping their ice cream. And the thickos support it.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

I dont know if it is legal in the US but this has been opposed by conservatives for years.

Some of their arguments are compelling and I have my doubts at times. But I can ennvisage a structure put iin place to mitigate the consequences of this.

Reading this article it seems the move is a popular one in the country. We all have painful experiences of watching a loved one die. so I guess that is not a surprise.

Doesn't some place in the EU [Belgium/Brussels?] also have a law in place that allows non citizens to enter the country if their country does not allow for assisted suicide?

Do you have such a law in the US. How does it work ?

No, in fact it is heavily opposed here, look up Dr. Kevorkian to get an idea of the American movements both for and against.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

No matter how altruistic assisted dying starts out. It always ends up in the same place, holding people down for the death shot while they kick and scream, fighting for their lives.

I dont recognise that scenario.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Doesn't some place in the EU [Belgium/Brussels?] also have a law in place that allows non citizens to enter the country if their country does not allow for assisted suicide?

No, in fact it is heavily opposed here, look up Dr. Kevorkian to get an idea of the American movements both for and against.

Switzerland is the only place that does this. There is an organisation called Dignitas that provides it. Switzerland is not a part of the EU.
It comes into the news cycle every year. Usually when the grieving wife or husband is arrested when they land at Heathrow,
Its an option only available to the rich.
A life you are weary off versus drifting away looking out the window looking at an alp and listening to Canteloube.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I do not advocate euthanasia for people with mental issues.

Let me put this to you -- I grew up around suicide attempts. Up close and personal. It has nothing to do with supporting control over one's own life.

I believe that the mentally ill are excluded from this bill on the grounds that they cannot give informed consrnt,

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Let me put this to you. My wife's mother was a permanently institutionalized manic depressive patient. My wife was diagnosed with depression, although, I could see the highs, where the doctors who weren't around her regularly, missed them and thus they didn't add "manic" to the diagnosis. She died many years ago, not by suicide. My daughter was diagnosed with depression. She has no "highs." So, she like her mother, has to be on medication. It's genetic. The medication keeps her "in balance" and she does pretty well with the meds. Just because someone suffers from depression is no reason to toss their life away. Always seek a less than life-ending solution where possible.

The bill will not allow mentally ill people to use this. It will be people in the last 6 months of life, in pain and mentally sound.
I think that there are huge safeguards that need to be built in. It cant be run by a profit making org for the obvious reason. And outside influences need to be guarded against.

 

[Rambunctious]

Its funny how the same folks who believe in free to die don't give credit to Trump for free to try... try new treatments and medication if you are said to be dead soon...
Of course Biden blocked this because it was Trump's idea....