AUstralian gun ban did not save lives...told you it didn't...

[2aguy]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

JUst like we said.....

I found the article but the link now takes you to a pay wall...I grabbed the article and the quote before it walled up....

To get a look at the article without the paywall...you have to look up port Arthur gun ban....


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hear it said repeatedly that there have been no mass shootings in Australia since 1996, which supposedly demonstrates the effectiveness of our gun laws.

The truth is quite different. There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims during that time.

By contrast New Zealand, a country very similar to Australia in history, culture, and economic trends, has experienced no mass shooting events despite the ongoing widespread availability of the types of firearms Australia banned.

Moreover, there is sound research into the impact of Australia’s 1996 gun laws. Some of it comes from anti-gun groups, some from pro-gun groups, and some from groups who have no personal connections to firearms one way or the other.

Using the same ABS data and a range of statistical methods, not a single study has found any change in the rate of firearm homicides as a result of the changed gun laws.

The simple fact is that firearm homicides were decreasing well before the laws were implemented, and the decline simply continued at the same rate after the legislative changes.

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At least two other Commonwealth countries (Canada and New Zealand) have had similar or greater declines even though these countries have far less restrictive gun laws than Australia.

And without denying it has an overall much higher level of homicides (non-firearm as well as firearm related), the US has had an even larger rate of decline in the face of very substantial liberalisation of its gun laws, in particular allowing carrying firearms for self-defence.

And yet, despite all the evidence to the contrary, the anti-gun lobby continues to promote untruths. Despite the massive price tag attached to Australia’s gun laws, rational debate remains impossible.

How ridiculous and untrue,Australia has had a much lower incidence of Gun Crime since the Gun Ban.......You are merly a Lackie for the NRA who were kicked out of Australia,God knows what it would be like today if we had allowed the NRA to stay in Australia.......You can keep your Guns in America with the resulting mayhem...you are like a despot 3rd world Banana Republic where Guns are concerned.steve..you coments are Mad.

Do you realize that there are now as many guns in Australia as there were before the ban....and you still have gun violence and that it is going up..........compared to your buddies in New Zealand....?

LINK Please.steve

Here is a specific link to Australian gun ownership levels...just had to find it....

Australia reloads as gun amnesties fail to cut arms



Australians own as many guns now as they did at the time of the Port Arthur massacre, despite more than 1 million firearms being handed in and destroyed, new research reveals.

A University of Sydney study has shown there has been a steady increase in guns imported into the country over the past decade, with the number of privately owned guns now at the same level as 1996.

Estimates suggest there were 3.2 million firearms in Australia at the time of the Tasmanian tragedy, in which 35 people were killed and 23 injured.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Only a silly opines, "when you confiscate guns...you are not supposed to have an increase in gun crime....." when the fact is the rate is negligible while the population increases.

Notice the scaredy cat won't plot the rates and incidents per capital of the US, GB, and Aus.

He would lose immediately.

Yeah.....I'm just quaking in my slippers.....

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" andreporteda surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

You are repeating debunked material. These are mostly seizures not actions. No one is buying your nonsense.

 

[idb]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

JUst like we said.....

I found the article but the link now takes you to a pay wall...I grabbed the article and the quote before it walled up....

To get a look at the article without the paywall...you have to look up port Arthur gun ban....


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hear it said repeatedly that there have been no mass shootings in Australia since 1996, which supposedly demonstrates the effectiveness of our gun laws.

The truth is quite different. There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims during that time.

By contrast New Zealand, a country very similar to Australia in history, culture, and economic trends, has experienced no mass shooting events despite the ongoing widespread availability of the types of firearms Australia banned.

Moreover, there is sound research into the impact of Australia’s 1996 gun laws. Some of it comes from anti-gun groups, some from pro-gun groups, and some from groups who have no personal connections to firearms one way or the other.

Using the same ABS data and a range of statistical methods, not a single study has found any change in the rate of firearm homicides as a result of the changed gun laws.

The simple fact is that firearm homicides were decreasing well before the laws were implemented, and the decline simply continued at the same rate after the legislative changes.

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At least two other Commonwealth countries (Canada and New Zealand) have had similar or greater declines even though these countries have far less restrictive gun laws than Australia.

And without denying it has an overall much higher level of homicides (non-firearm as well as firearm related), the US has had an even larger rate of decline in the face of very substantial liberalisation of its gun laws, in particular allowing carrying firearms for self-defence.

And yet, despite all the evidence to the contrary, the anti-gun lobby continues to promote untruths. Despite the massive price tag attached to Australia’s gun laws, rational debate remains impossible.

Neither Australia nor New Zealand have a tradition of owning guns for protection.
Guns do not figure in self-defence in either country.
The removal of semi and fully automatic guns from general ownership won't have had any effect on crime statistics.

The conclusions linking crime and gun ownership in these countries are bogus.

 

[bodecea]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

JUst like we said.....

I found the article but the link now takes you to a pay wall...I grabbed the article and the quote before it walled up....

To get a look at the article without the paywall...you have to look up port Arthur gun ban....


No Cookies | The Courier Mail

hear it said repeatedly that there have been no mass shootings in Australia since 1996, which supposedly demonstrates the effectiveness of our gun laws.

The truth is quite different. There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims during that time.

By contrast New Zealand, a country very similar to Australia in history, culture, and economic trends, has experienced no mass shooting events despite the ongoing widespread availability of the types of firearms Australia banned.

Moreover, there is sound research into the impact of Australia’s 1996 gun laws. Some of it comes from anti-gun groups, some from pro-gun groups, and some from groups who have no personal connections to firearms one way or the other.

Using the same ABS data and a range of statistical methods, not a single study has found any change in the rate of firearm homicides as a result of the changed gun laws.

The simple fact is that firearm homicides were decreasing well before the laws were implemented, and the decline simply continued at the same rate after the legislative changes.

--------
At least two other Commonwealth countries (Canada and New Zealand) have had similar or greater declines even though these countries have far less restrictive gun laws than Australia.

And without denying it has an overall much higher level of homicides (non-firearm as well as firearm related), the US has had an even larger rate of decline in the face of very substantial liberalisation of its gun laws, in particular allowing carrying firearms for self-defence.

And yet, despite all the evidence to the contrary, the anti-gun lobby continues to promote untruths. Despite the massive price tag attached to Australia’s gun laws, rational debate remains impossible.

Drooling over gun deaths again, I see.

 

[bucs90]

2aguy continues with the fallacy of the false premise, that gun restrictions laws will end all gun deaths.

No one ever said it would.

What 2aguy won't do is plot the incident rate in relationship to the population.

Plot the US against GB and Aus, and the incident rate of the US is monstrous in numbers and per capita, compared to the Aussies and the Brits.

No its not. Stop lying.

Comparing murder rates and gun ownership across countries - Crime Prevention Research Center

 

[theliq]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

JUst like we said.....

I found the article but the link now takes you to a pay wall...I grabbed the article and the quote before it walled up....

To get a look at the article without the paywall...you have to look up port Arthur gun ban....


No Cookies | The Courier Mail

hear it said repeatedly that there have been no mass shootings in Australia since 1996, which supposedly demonstrates the effectiveness of our gun laws.

The truth is quite different. There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims during that time.

By contrast New Zealand, a country very similar to Australia in history, culture, and economic trends, has experienced no mass shooting events despite the ongoing widespread availability of the types of firearms Australia banned.

Moreover, there is sound research into the impact of Australia’s 1996 gun laws. Some of it comes from anti-gun groups, some from pro-gun groups, and some from groups who have no personal connections to firearms one way or the other.

Using the same ABS data and a range of statistical methods, not a single study has found any change in the rate of firearm homicides as a result of the changed gun laws.

The simple fact is that firearm homicides were decreasing well before the laws were implemented, and the decline simply continued at the same rate after the legislative changes.

--------
At least two other Commonwealth countries (Canada and New Zealand) have had similar or greater declines even though these countries have far less restrictive gun laws than Australia.

And without denying it has an overall much higher level of homicides (non-firearm as well as firearm related), the US has had an even larger rate of decline in the face of very substantial liberalisation of its gun laws, in particular allowing carrying firearms for self-defence.

And yet, despite all the evidence to the contrary, the anti-gun lobby continues to promote untruths. Despite the massive price tag attached to Australia’s gun laws, rational debate remains impossible.

How ridiculous and untrue,Australia has had a much lower incidence of Gun Crime since the Gun Ban.......You are merly a Lackie for the NRA who were kicked out of Australia,God knows what it would be like today if we had allowed the NRA to stay in Australia.......You can keep your Guns in America with the resulting mayhem...you are like a despot 3rd world Banana Republic where Guns are concerned.steve..you coments are Mad.

Do you realize that there are now as many guns in Australia as there were before the ban....and you still have gun violence and that it is going up..........compared to your buddies in New Zealand....?

LINK Please.steve

Here is a specific link to Australian gun ownership levels...just had to find it....

Australia reloads as gun amnesties fail to cut arms



Australians own as many guns now as they did at the time of the Port Arthur massacre, despite more than 1 million firearms being handed in and destroyed, new research reveals.

A University of Sydney study has shown there has been a steady increase in guns imported into the country over the past decade, with the number of privately owned guns now at the same level as 1996.

Estimates suggest there were 3.2 million firearms in Australia at the time of the Tasmanian tragedy, in which 35 people were killed and 23 injured.

Huh......when I follow the prompts on your web-site it shows that Gun house hold ownership is 4 times lower today than in 1988.....moreover Gun Deaths are and have been declining since 1988......Thanks for the info Two a Guy,Thanks indeed....methinks you Shot Yourself in the Foot.steve

 

[bucs90]

The correlation between gun ownership and murder rates is actually nearly irrelevant. Having lots of guns or very little doesn't seem to matter much. So why take them? Because liberals just don't like citizens owning them. Period.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

"There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims [since 1996]."

Compared to almost 100 every single day in the US.

Dumb ass OP - You sure that's what you wanna go with?

Okay, so why does this dupe consistently post crap that proves he's wrong?

 

[OZman]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

Your perception is incorrect.
Fact check: Have firearm homicides and suicides dropped since Port Arthur as a result of John Howard's reforms?

 

[theliq]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

JUst like we said.....

I found the article but the link now takes you to a pay wall...I grabbed the article and the quote before it walled up....

To get a look at the article without the paywall...you have to look up port Arthur gun ban....


No Cookies | The Courier Mail

hear it said repeatedly that there have been no mass shootings in Australia since 1996, which supposedly demonstrates the effectiveness of our gun laws.

The truth is quite different. There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims during that time.

By contrast New Zealand, a country very similar to Australia in history, culture, and economic trends, has experienced no mass shooting events despite the ongoing widespread availability of the types of firearms Australia banned.

Moreover, there is sound research into the impact of Australia’s 1996 gun laws. Some of it comes from anti-gun groups, some from pro-gun groups, and some from groups who have no personal connections to firearms one way or the other.

Using the same ABS data and a range of statistical methods, not a single study has found any change in the rate of firearm homicides as a result of the changed gun laws.

The simple fact is that firearm homicides were decreasing well before the laws were implemented, and the decline simply continued at the same rate after the legislative changes.

--------
At least two other Commonwealth countries (Canada and New Zealand) have had similar or greater declines even though these countries have far less restrictive gun laws than Australia.

And without denying it has an overall much higher level of homicides (non-firearm as well as firearm related), the US has had an even larger rate of decline in the face of very substantial liberalisation of its gun laws, in particular allowing carrying firearms for self-defence.

And yet, despite all the evidence to the contrary, the anti-gun lobby continues to promote untruths. Despite the massive price tag attached to Australia’s gun laws, rational debate remains impossible.

How ridiculous and untrue,Australia has had a much lower incidence of Gun Crime since the Gun Ban.......You are merly a Lackie for the NRA who were kicked out of Australia,God knows what it would be like today if we had allowed the NRA to stay in Australia.......You can keep your Guns in America with the resulting mayhem...you are like a despot 3rd world Banana Republic where Guns are concerned.steve..you coments are Mad.

Do you realize that there are now as many guns in Australia as there were before the ban....and you still have gun violence and that it is going up..........compared to your buddies in New Zealand....?

LINK Please.steve

Here is a specific link to Australian gun ownership levels...just had to find it....

Australia reloads as gun amnesties fail to cut arms



Australians own as many guns now as they did at the time of the Port Arthur massacre, despite more than 1 million firearms being handed in and destroyed, new research reveals.

A University of Sydney study has shown there has been a steady increase in guns imported into the country over the past decade, with the number of privately owned guns now at the same level as 1996.

Estimates suggest there were 3.2 million firearms in Australia at the time of the Tasmanian tragedy, in which 35 people were killed and 23 injured.

You proudly stated on an earlier post that Australia had many more Gun related Deaths than New Zealand........Wrong Again....per head of population New Zealand in fact have TWICE AS MANY.......You remind me of the Kid at School who said "We have 11 fingers and thumbs...He then counted backwards on one hand...10,9,8,7,6.....plus 5 on the other hand making 11" you see Two a Guy like your commentary it is all Sleight of Hand,and erroneous..steve..You have become a Joke

 

[idb]

"There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims [since 1996]."

Compared to almost 100 every single day in the US.

Dumb ass OP - You sure that's what you wanna go with?

Okay, so why does this dupe consistently post crap that proves he's wrong?

He doesn't understand what he's linking to.

 

[theliq]

The correlation between gun ownership and murder rates is actually nearly irrelevant. Having lots of guns or very little doesn't seem to matter much. So why take them? Because liberals just don't like citizens owning them. Period.

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Mainly because most Gun Owners are Meatheads.......incredibly over half your Senate voted against a Bill that wanted background checks on people wanting to buy a Fire Arm....................as we say here in Paradise.."ONLY IN AMERICA"

 

[Luddly Neddite]

"There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims [since 1996]."

Compared to almost 100 every single day in the US.

Dumb ass OP - You sure that's what you wanna go with?

Okay, so why does this dupe consistently post crap that proves he's wrong?

He doesn't understand what he's linking to.

I have long suspected this because most of what he posts is proof of the opposite of what he says he believes.

Weird.

 

[Rustic]

The correlation between gun ownership and murder rates is actually nearly irrelevant. Having lots of guns or very little doesn't seem to matter much. So why take them? Because liberals just don't like citizens owning them. Period.

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Mainly because most Gun Owners are Meatheads.......incredibly over half your Senate voted against a Bill that wanted background checks on people wanting to buy a Fire Arm....................as we say here in Paradise.."ONLY IN AMERICA"

Fucking progressive like yourself have no common sense whatsoever more laws will save no one, they only make matters worse they are a waste of time and money you fuck nut. Lol

 

[theliq]

The correlation between gun ownership and murder rates is actually nearly irrelevant. Having lots of guns or very little doesn't seem to matter much. So why take them? Because liberals just don't like citizens owning them. Period.

View attachment 73279

Mainly because most Gun Owners are Meatheads.......incredibly over half your Senate voted against a Bill that wanted background checks on people wanting to buy a Fire Arm....................as we say here in Paradise.."ONLY IN AMERICA"

Fucking progressive like yourself have no common sense whatsoever more laws will save no one, they only make matters worse they are a waste of time and money you fuck nut. Lol

So you understood my comment about MEATHEADS,there is a chance for you yet

 

[2aguy]

Keep denying it.......it is only going to get worse...then what are you going to say after the gun confiscation, and the extreme gun control when their gun crime rate keeps going up.........

 

[2aguy]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

JUst like we said.....

I found the article but the link now takes you to a pay wall...I grabbed the article and the quote before it walled up....

To get a look at the article without the paywall...you have to look up port Arthur gun ban....


No Cookies | The Courier Mail

hear it said repeatedly that there have been no mass shootings in Australia since 1996, which supposedly demonstrates the effectiveness of our gun laws.

The truth is quite different. There have been eight shootings in Australia with three or more victims during that time.

By contrast New Zealand, a country very similar to Australia in history, culture, and economic trends, has experienced no mass shooting events despite the ongoing widespread availability of the types of firearms Australia banned.

Moreover, there is sound research into the impact of Australia’s 1996 gun laws. Some of it comes from anti-gun groups, some from pro-gun groups, and some from groups who have no personal connections to firearms one way or the other.

Using the same ABS data and a range of statistical methods, not a single study has found any change in the rate of firearm homicides as a result of the changed gun laws.

The simple fact is that firearm homicides were decreasing well before the laws were implemented, and the decline simply continued at the same rate after the legislative changes.

--------
At least two other Commonwealth countries (Canada and New Zealand) have had similar or greater declines even though these countries have far less restrictive gun laws than Australia.

And without denying it has an overall much higher level of homicides (non-firearm as well as firearm related), the US has had an even larger rate of decline in the face of very substantial liberalisation of its gun laws, in particular allowing carrying firearms for self-defence.

And yet, despite all the evidence to the contrary, the anti-gun lobby continues to promote untruths. Despite the massive price tag attached to Australia’s gun laws, rational debate remains impossible.

How ridiculous and untrue,Australia has had a much lower incidence of Gun Crime since the Gun Ban.......You are merly a Lackie for the NRA who were kicked out of Australia,God knows what it would be like today if we had allowed the NRA to stay in Australia.......You can keep your Guns in America with the resulting mayhem...you are like a despot 3rd world Banana Republic where Guns are concerned.steve..you coments are Mad.

Do you realize that there are now as many guns in Australia as there were before the ban....and you still have gun violence and that it is going up..........compared to your buddies in New Zealand....?

LINK Please.steve

Here is a specific link to Australian gun ownership levels...just had to find it....

Australia reloads as gun amnesties fail to cut arms



Australians own as many guns now as they did at the time of the Port Arthur massacre, despite more than 1 million firearms being handed in and destroyed, new research reveals.

A University of Sydney study has shown there has been a steady increase in guns imported into the country over the past decade, with the number of privately owned guns now at the same level as 1996.

Estimates suggest there were 3.2 million firearms in Australia at the time of the Tasmanian tragedy, in which 35 people were killed and 23 injured.

You proudly stated on an earlier post that Australia had many more Gun related Deaths than New Zealand........Wrong Again....per head of population New Zealand in fact have TWICE AS MANY.......You remind me of the Kid at School who said "We have 11 fingers and thumbs...He then counted backwards on one hand...10,9,8,7,6.....plus 5 on the other hand making 11" you see Two a Guy like your commentary it is all Sleight of Hand,and erroneous..steve..You have become a Joke

Yeah....link that.

 

[2aguy]

And here on New Zealand...and they didn't confiscate their guns.....

NZ's firearm homicide rate drops - National - NZ Herald News

Gun killings in New Zealand have declined the most in an international comparison - even though this country has less strict licensing laws than Canada and Australia.

A forthcoming article in the peer-reviewed Journal of Interpersonal Violence, published by United States-based Sage Publications, found New Zealand had "the most pronounced decline in firearm homicide over the past two decades".

 

[2aguy]

Yep...the anniversary of the shooting that caused the confiscation of The guns from people who did not use them to commit any crimes....the result...no lives saved.........

Your perception is incorrect.
Fact check: Have firearm homicides and suicides dropped since Port Arthur as a result of John Howard's reforms?

Wrong.......in a country that confiscated guns and has extreme gun control there should not be inconsistent years....

The verdict
Mr Howard's claim is not cut and dried.

Data from the Australian Institute of Criminology shows the rate of homicide victims dying from a gunshot wound has dropped since the reforms came into force, but not consistently in every year.

ABS data indicates the rate of assault by firearm causing death has also declined since the reforms, but not in every year.

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"Homicide patterns (firearm and non-firearm) were not influenced by the NFA, the conclusion being that the gun buyback and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia."

 

[2aguy]

And from my original post....the truth....


Using the same ABS data and a range of statistical methods, not a single study has found any change in the rate of firearm homicides as a result of the changed gun laws.

The simple fact is that firearm homicides were decreasing well before the laws were implemented, and the decline simply continued at the same rate after the legislative changes.