Can anyone find my posts on fine tuning of planet earth?

[Hollie]

Doesnt have a large moon ,magnetic field ,and turns slower than its orbit around the sun ....they think due to a large body smoking into it at one point in time


We're tweaking nothing on earth ...take a breath most of the world is shut down and the skys are clear in asia and europe

Yes, air pollution has decreased but at a high cost!

But why does earth have a protective magnetic field while Venus does not? That would be another point on my list - but since you brought it up:

What Causes Earth's Magnetic Field?

It is the motion of molten iron -- an excellent conductor for it is an ocean of electrically charged particles – that gives form to a magnetic field.

www.scienceabc.com

Aurora Borealis Northern Lights. (Photo Credit : Pixabay)
The splendid display is actually a result of extremely harmful cosmic rays blurted out by the Sun interacting with the Earth’s magnetic field. If this field did not exist, the ozone layer would have been burnt to shreds and we would have been mercilessly fried. This is what happened with Mars when its magnetic field gradually dwindled and expired. So, what causes this magnetic field?"

And this example of fine tuning adds that beautiful result. Have you ever seen the Northern LIghts?

Pretty sloppy fine tuning. Why are the gods such incompetent designers?

Is it true that the strength of the Earth's magnetic field is decreasing? What's the effect?

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[Hollie]

I would imagine it was sucked into a black hole.

But I can surmise why the earth hasn't ended up like Venus: The planet's orbitations are slowly being drawn closer to the sun, because of the sun's gravitational pull. At some point eons ago, Venus would have been in the same proximity to the sun as the Earth is now, and Earth would have been located where Mars is.

Which brings up another question: If Venus was is the "perfect" position in relation to the sun as we are here, would there have been life? And will there be life on Mars at some point eons from now, when the Earth's orbit has been pulled closer to the sun, and Mars has moved to our proximity to the sun?

Another thing to think about: When we sent the Mars Rover to the planet, did some single-cell forms of life manage to hitchhike a ride from here to Mars, embedded in some tiny crack in the Mars Rover? And if so, have those life forms thrived?

And if one believes in Darwinism and if it did thrive, will it evolve to become sentinent beings by the time the Earth is pulled closer to the sun, and Mars is where our orbit is?

Which brings another question: If there was the possibility of life on Venus at one time, did they accidentally transfer one-celled life forms to Earth with their space probes, as we could have done to Mars?

Of course being more of believer in creationism, I believe that God created the universe. But it's something to think about.

While earth's distance from the sun is another point (not actually fine tuned since we could have been thousands of miles closer or further and be in the 'habitable zone)- this is hot the crucial reason
why earth's primordial CO2 atmosphere ended up in earth's crust in contrast to what happened on Venus.

But good points to think about - thank you for your input.

The planets distance from the sun (within a habitable zone) is an example of the really silly fudge factors used by creationists in an attempt to support the falsely labeled “fine tuning” slogan.

Without exception, fine tuning means “kinda’, sorta’, pretty close but could be bigger, smaller, left or right from where it is.”

Point #1 is not earth's distance from the sun. Try again.

OK.

There is a large habitable zone wherein the earth could support life? Why did the gods allow for such a fudge factor?

 

[Newtonian]

Doesnt have a large moon ,magnetic field ,and turns slower than its orbit around the sun ....they think due to a large body smoking into it at one point in time


We're tweaking nothing on earth ...take a breath most of the world is shut down and the skys are clear in asia and europe

Yes, air pollution has decreased but at a high cost!

But why does earth have a protective magnetic field while Venus does not? That would be another point on my list - but since you brought it up:

What Causes Earth's Magnetic Field?

It is the motion of molten iron -- an excellent conductor for it is an ocean of electrically charged particles – that gives form to a magnetic field.

www.scienceabc.com

Aurora Borealis Northern Lights. (Photo Credit : Pixabay)
The splendid display is actually a result of extremely harmful cosmic rays blurted out by the Sun interacting with the Earth’s magnetic field. If this field did not exist, the ozone layer would have been burnt to shreds and we would have been mercilessly fried. This is what happened with Mars when its magnetic field gradually dwindled and expired. So, what causes this magnetic field?"

And this example of fine tuning adds that beautiful result. Have you ever seen the Northern LIghts?

Pretty sloppy fine tuning. Why are the gods such incompetent designers?

Is it true that the strength of the Earth's magnetic field is decreasing? What's the effect?

www.scientificamerican.com

Earth's magnetic field is also not point #1. I was responding to another poster.

However, earth's magnetic field is caused primarily by molten iron in motion in earth's core.

Have you ever seen the Northern Lights?

 

[Newtonian]

I would imagine it was sucked into a black hole.

But I can surmise why the earth hasn't ended up like Venus: The planet's orbitations are slowly being drawn closer to the sun, because of the sun's gravitational pull. At some point eons ago, Venus would have been in the same proximity to the sun as the Earth is now, and Earth would have been located where Mars is.

Which brings up another question: If Venus was is the "perfect" position in relation to the sun as we are here, would there have been life? And will there be life on Mars at some point eons from now, when the Earth's orbit has been pulled closer to the sun, and Mars has moved to our proximity to the sun?

Another thing to think about: When we sent the Mars Rover to the planet, did some single-cell forms of life manage to hitchhike a ride from here to Mars, embedded in some tiny crack in the Mars Rover? And if so, have those life forms thrived?

And if one believes in Darwinism and if it did thrive, will it evolve to become sentinent beings by the time the Earth is pulled closer to the sun, and Mars is where our orbit is?

Which brings another question: If there was the possibility of life on Venus at one time, did they accidentally transfer one-celled life forms to Earth with their space probes, as we could have done to Mars?

Of course being more of believer in creationism, I believe that God created the universe. But it's something to think about.

While earth's distance from the sun is another point (not actually fine tuned since we could have been thousands of miles closer or further and be in the 'habitable zone)- this is hot the crucial reason
why earth's primordial CO2 atmosphere ended up in earth's crust in contrast to what happened on Venus.

But good points to think about - thank you for your input.

The planets distance from the sun (within a habitable zone) is an example of the really silly fudge factors used by creationists in an attempt to support the falsely labeled “fine tuning” slogan.

Without exception, fine tuning means “kinda’, sorta’, pretty close but could be bigger, smaller, left or right from where it is.”

Point #1 is not earth's distance from the sun. Try again.

OK.

There is a large habitable zone wherein the earth could support life? Why did the gods allow for such a fudge factor?

Again, that is NOT point #1. Earth's orbital position could change and still be in the habitable zone - I think the reason is that earth's orbital position may change.

But actually I don't mind your fudge tangent - I love chocolate!

 

[luchitociencia]

Venus is a baby planet. Earth is a mature planet. Mars is a clinically hopeless planet. Earth was like Venus long ago.

 

[Hollie]

Doesnt have a large moon ,magnetic field ,and turns slower than its orbit around the sun ....they think due to a large body smoking into it at one point in time


We're tweaking nothing on earth ...take a breath most of the world is shut down and the skys are clear in asia and europe

Yes, air pollution has decreased but at a high cost!

But why does earth have a protective magnetic field while Venus does not? That would be another point on my list - but since you brought it up:

What Causes Earth's Magnetic Field?

It is the motion of molten iron -- an excellent conductor for it is an ocean of electrically charged particles – that gives form to a magnetic field.

www.scienceabc.com

Aurora Borealis Northern Lights. (Photo Credit : Pixabay)
The splendid display is actually a result of extremely harmful cosmic rays blurted out by the Sun interacting with the Earth’s magnetic field. If this field did not exist, the ozone layer would have been burnt to shreds and we would have been mercilessly fried. This is what happened with Mars when its magnetic field gradually dwindled and expired. So, what causes this magnetic field?"

And this example of fine tuning adds that beautiful result. Have you ever seen the Northern LIghts?

Pretty sloppy fine tuning. Why are the gods such incompetent designers?

Is it true that the strength of the Earth's magnetic field is decreasing? What's the effect?

www.scientificamerican.com

Earth's magnetic field is also not point #1. I was responding to another poster.

However, earth's magnetic field is caused primarily by molten iron in motion in earth's core.

Have you ever seen the Northern Lights?

The planets magnetic field fluctuates in intensity and reverses.

How does that imply fine tuning?

 

[fncceo]

Another good thing about COVID .... GW posts have all but disappeared.

Apparently , it's difficult to be terrified about the end of the world when there's more than one cause.

 

[Hollie]

I would imagine it was sucked into a black hole.

But I can surmise why the earth hasn't ended up like Venus: The planet's orbitations are slowly being drawn closer to the sun, because of the sun's gravitational pull. At some point eons ago, Venus would have been in the same proximity to the sun as the Earth is now, and Earth would have been located where Mars is.

Which brings up another question: If Venus was is the "perfect" position in relation to the sun as we are here, would there have been life? And will there be life on Mars at some point eons from now, when the Earth's orbit has been pulled closer to the sun, and Mars has moved to our proximity to the sun?

Another thing to think about: When we sent the Mars Rover to the planet, did some single-cell forms of life manage to hitchhike a ride from here to Mars, embedded in some tiny crack in the Mars Rover? And if so, have those life forms thrived?

And if one believes in Darwinism and if it did thrive, will it evolve to become sentinent beings by the time the Earth is pulled closer to the sun, and Mars is where our orbit is?

Which brings another question: If there was the possibility of life on Venus at one time, did they accidentally transfer one-celled life forms to Earth with their space probes, as we could have done to Mars?

Of course being more of believer in creationism, I believe that God created the universe. But it's something to think about.

While earth's distance from the sun is another point (not actually fine tuned since we could have been thousands of miles closer or further and be in the 'habitable zone)- this is hot the crucial reason
why earth's primordial CO2 atmosphere ended up in earth's crust in contrast to what happened on Venus.

But good points to think about - thank you for your input.

The planets distance from the sun (within a habitable zone) is an example of the really silly fudge factors used by creationists in an attempt to support the falsely labeled “fine tuning” slogan.

Without exception, fine tuning means “kinda’, sorta’, pretty close but could be bigger, smaller, left or right from where it is.”

Point #1 is not earth's distance from the sun. Try again.

OK.

There is a large habitable zone wherein the earth could support life? Why did the gods allow for such a fudge factor?

Again, that is NOT point #1. Earth's orbital position could change and still be in the habitable zone - I think the reason is that earth's orbital position may change.

But actually I don't mind your fudge tangent - I love chocolate!

So, yes. With a lot of room for the planet being either closer or farther from the sun within a habitable zone, the planet is “fine tuned” as long as you are willing to include huge fudge factors in your definitions.

 

[JGalt]

I would imagine it was sucked into a black hole.

But I can surmise why the earth hasn't ended up like Venus: The planet's orbitations are slowly being drawn closer to the sun, because of the sun's gravitational pull. At some point eons ago, Venus would have been in the same proximity to the sun as the Earth is now, and Earth would have been located where Mars is.

Which brings up another question: If Venus was is the "perfect" position in relation to the sun as we are here, would there have been life? And will there be life on Mars at some point eons from now, when the Earth's orbit has been pulled closer to the sun, and Mars has moved to our proximity to the sun?

Another thing to think about: When we sent the Mars Rover to the planet, did some single-cell forms of life manage to hitchhike a ride from here to Mars, embedded in some tiny crack in the Mars Rover? And if so, have those life forms thrived?

And if one believes in Darwinism and if it did thrive, will it evolve to become sentinent beings by the time the Earth is pulled closer to the sun, and Mars is where our orbit is?

Which brings another question: If there was the possibility of life on Venus at one time, did they accidentally transfer one-celled life forms to Earth with their space probes, as we could have done to Mars?

Of course being more of believer in creationism, I believe that God created the universe. But it's something to think about.

While earth's distance from the sun is another point (not actually fine tuned since we could have been thousands of miles closer or further and be in the 'habitable zone)- this is hot the crucial reason
why earth's primordial CO2 atmosphere ended up in earth's crust in contrast to what happened on Venus.

But good points to think about - thank you for your input.

The planets distance from the sun (within a habitable zone) is an example of the really silly fudge factors used by creationists in an attempt to support the falsely labeled “fine tuning” slogan.

Without exception, fine tuning means “kinda’, sorta’, pretty close but could be bigger, smaller, left or right from where it is.”

Point #1 is not earth's distance from the sun. Try again.

OK.

There is a large habitable zone wherein the earth could support life? Why did the gods allow for such a fudge factor?

There are no "gods". If you believe in God, there's only one: The God of Abraham and Moses, the God who loved us so much that He sent his only son to die on the cross, so that we would have redemption from our sins.

Jesus died on the cross and after three days, was resurrected. He now sits at the right-hand side of the Father, awaiting the judgement day.

That being said, the planet's orbit around the sun is not a perpetual motion. The sun's gravitational force pulls the planets closer and closer, with every planetary orbit. It may be immeasurable over a lifetime but over hundred of billions of years (if you're an "old earther"), the planets are being drawn into the sun.

That would explain, according to the "old earth theory" why life has thrived on this planet, while Venus is a burned-out lifeless planet. The temperature on Venus is too hot to support life, because of its close proximity to the sun. Neither is the temperature and atmosphere on Mars. Only the earth is in the "sweet spot" in distance to the sun, which can support life.

But within hundreds of million of years from now, the gravitational pull of the sun will have drawn the earth to the location of where Venus is, and Mars will have been drawn into our "sweet spot." Possibly then life will flourish on Mars. Life will evolve into sentient beings. Civilization will flourish.

Of course, I deny any of this. My faith as a Christian tells me that my God created the heavens and the earth in seven days.

 

[Hollie]

I would imagine it was sucked into a black hole.

But I can surmise why the earth hasn't ended up like Venus: The planet's orbitations are slowly being drawn closer to the sun, because of the sun's gravitational pull. At some point eons ago, Venus would have been in the same proximity to the sun as the Earth is now, and Earth would have been located where Mars is.

Which brings up another question: If Venus was is the "perfect" position in relation to the sun as we are here, would there have been life? And will there be life on Mars at some point eons from now, when the Earth's orbit has been pulled closer to the sun, and Mars has moved to our proximity to the sun?

Another thing to think about: When we sent the Mars Rover to the planet, did some single-cell forms of life manage to hitchhike a ride from here to Mars, embedded in some tiny crack in the Mars Rover? And if so, have those life forms thrived?

And if one believes in Darwinism and if it did thrive, will it evolve to become sentinent beings by the time the Earth is pulled closer to the sun, and Mars is where our orbit is?

Which brings another question: If there was the possibility of life on Venus at one time, did they accidentally transfer one-celled life forms to Earth with their space probes, as we could have done to Mars?

Of course being more of believer in creationism, I believe that God created the universe. But it's something to think about.

While earth's distance from the sun is another point (not actually fine tuned since we could have been thousands of miles closer or further and be in the 'habitable zone)- this is hot the crucial reason
why earth's primordial CO2 atmosphere ended up in earth's crust in contrast to what happened on Venus.

But good points to think about - thank you for your input.

The planets distance from the sun (within a habitable zone) is an example of the really silly fudge factors used by creationists in an attempt to support the falsely labeled “fine tuning” slogan.

Without exception, fine tuning means “kinda’, sorta’, pretty close but could be bigger, smaller, left or right from where it is.”

Point #1 is not earth's distance from the sun. Try again.

OK.

There is a large habitable zone wherein the earth could support life? Why did the gods allow for such a fudge factor?

There are no "gods". If you believe in God, there's only one: The God of Abraham and Moses, the God who loved us so much that He sent his only son to die on the cross, so that we would have redemption from our sins.

Jesus died on the cross and after three days, was resurrected. He now sits at the right-hand side of the Father, awaiting the judgement day.

That being said, the planet's orbit around the sun is not a perpetual motion. The sun's gravitational force pulls the planets closer and closer, with every planetary orbit. It may be immeasurable over a lifetime but over hundred of billions of years (if you're an "old earther"), the planets are being drawn into the sun.

That would explain, according to the "old earth theory" why life has thrived on this planet, while Venus is a burned-out lifeless planet. The temperature on Venus is too hot to support life, because of its close proximity to the sun. Neither is the temperature and atmosphere on Mars. Only the earth is in the "sweet spot" in distance to the sun, which can support life.

But within hundreds of million of years from now, the gravitational pull of the sun will have drawn the earth to the location of where Venus is, and Mars will have been drawn into our "sweet spot." Possibly then life will flourish on Mars. Life will evolve into sentient beings. Civilization will flourish.

Of course, I deny any of this. My faith as a Christian tells me that my God created the heavens and the earth in seven days.

Why should I accept your gods as the gods when there are lots of gods existing and which served humans prior to your gods?

 

[JGalt]

Another good thing about COVID .... GW posts have all but disappeared.

Apparently , it's difficult to be terrified about the end of the world when there's more than one cause.

It ain't the end yet, bro. The Moshiach hasn't shown up yet. But He will, that was Elohim's promise.

 

[Newtonian]

hollie - from your link to Sciam:

Is it true that the strength of the Earth's magnetic field is decreasing? What's the effect?

www.scientificamerican.com

"Because of the complexity of the Earth's magnetic field and the constant changes it is impossible to predict what the field will be like anytime in the distant future.....

Although magnetic reversals have occurred many times in the geologic past, itAs the molten iron spins around the solid, crystalized iron inside the inner core, it generates a relatively weak magnetic field. This magnetic field helps to protect the Earth from dangerous types of radiation, and it helps make life possible on the planet. is not yet possible to predict when the next reversal will occur. The most recent reversal was about 700,000 years ago. In the past 200 million years reversals have taken place every half million years or so, but with no discernible regularity or pattern."

I should add that it would be very hard to stop the motion of molten iron in earth's core. The article does not go into that. Earth's rotation is involved - that is also fine tuned. The sun and moon's gravity is also involved - our moon is another example of fine tuning. But until you respond on point 1, I will not go into the many other examples of fine tuning in depth on this thread.

I will post this link though:

What Causes Earth's Magnetic Field?

The leading hypothesis is that the earth’s spinning core causes the Earth's magnetic field, but scientists are unsure about the exact mechanism by which it is created. Iron is the primary constituent of the Earth’s core, and it is able to spin because of its layered construction.

www.reference.com

"As the molten iron spins around the solid, crystalized iron inside the inner core, it generates a relatively weak magnetic field. This magnetic field helps to protect the Earth from dangerous types of radiation, and it helps make life possible on the planet."

Theories involving weakening and reversals fail to address this cause, which involves both the rotational spin of the earth and the convection currents from the inner heat. Neither will change anytime soon!

Still waiting for you to address point #1.

 

[Newtonian]

I would imagine it was sucked into a black hole.

But I can surmise why the earth hasn't ended up like Venus: The planet's orbitations are slowly being drawn closer to the sun, because of the sun's gravitational pull. At some point eons ago, Venus would have been in the same proximity to the sun as the Earth is now, and Earth would have been located where Mars is.

Which brings up another question: If Venus was is the "perfect" position in relation to the sun as we are here, would there have been life? And will there be life on Mars at some point eons from now, when the Earth's orbit has been pulled closer to the sun, and Mars has moved to our proximity to the sun?

Another thing to think about: When we sent the Mars Rover to the planet, did some single-cell forms of life manage to hitchhike a ride from here to Mars, embedded in some tiny crack in the Mars Rover? And if so, have those life forms thrived?

And if one believes in Darwinism and if it did thrive, will it evolve to become sentinent beings by the time the Earth is pulled closer to the sun, and Mars is where our orbit is?

Which brings another question: If there was the possibility of life on Venus at one time, did they accidentally transfer one-celled life forms to Earth with their space probes, as we could have done to Mars?

Of course being more of believer in creationism, I believe that God created the universe. But it's something to think about.

While earth's distance from the sun is another point (not actually fine tuned since we could have been thousands of miles closer or further and be in the 'habitable zone)- this is hot the crucial reason
why earth's primordial CO2 atmosphere ended up in earth's crust in contrast to what happened on Venus.

But good points to think about - thank you for your input.

The planets distance from the sun (within a habitable zone) is an example of the really silly fudge factors used by creationists in an attempt to support the falsely labeled “fine tuning” slogan.

Without exception, fine tuning means “kinda’, sorta’, pretty close but could be bigger, smaller, left or right from where it is.”

Point #1 is not earth's distance from the sun. Try again.

OK.

There is a large habitable zone wherein the earth could support life? Why did the gods allow for such a fudge factor?

There are no "gods". If you believe in God, there's only one: The God of Abraham and Moses, the God who loved us so much that He sent his only son to die on the cross, so that we would have redemption from our sins.

Jesus died on the cross and after three days, was resurrected. He now sits at the right-hand side of the Father, awaiting the judgement day.

That being said, the planet's orbit around the sun is not a perpetual motion. The sun's gravitational force pulls the planets closer and closer, with every planetary orbit. It may be immeasurable over a lifetime but over hundred of billions of years (if you're an "old earther"), the planets are being drawn into the sun.

That would explain, according to the "old earth theory" why life has thrived on this planet, while Venus is a burned-out lifeless planet. The temperature on Venus is too hot to support life, because of its close proximity to the sun. Neither is the temperature and atmosphere on Mars. Only the earth is in the "sweet spot" in distance to the sun, which can support life.

But within hundreds of million of years from now, the gravitational pull of the sun will have drawn the earth to the location of where Venus is, and Mars will have been drawn into our "sweet spot." Possibly then life will flourish on Mars. Life will evolve into sentient beings. Civilization will flourish.

Of course, I deny any of this. My faith as a Christian tells me that my God created the heavens and the earth in seven days.

Actually, some scientists believe earth will recede from the sun as the sun loses mass and its gravity becomes weaker.

 

[JGalt]

I would imagine it was sucked into a black hole.

But I can surmise why the earth hasn't ended up like Venus: The planet's orbitations are slowly being drawn closer to the sun, because of the sun's gravitational pull. At some point eons ago, Venus would have been in the same proximity to the sun as the Earth is now, and Earth would have been located where Mars is.

Which brings up another question: If Venus was is the "perfect" position in relation to the sun as we are here, would there have been life? And will there be life on Mars at some point eons from now, when the Earth's orbit has been pulled closer to the sun, and Mars has moved to our proximity to the sun?

Another thing to think about: When we sent the Mars Rover to the planet, did some single-cell forms of life manage to hitchhike a ride from here to Mars, embedded in some tiny crack in the Mars Rover? And if so, have those life forms thrived?

And if one believes in Darwinism and if it did thrive, will it evolve to become sentinent beings by the time the Earth is pulled closer to the sun, and Mars is where our orbit is?

Which brings another question: If there was the possibility of life on Venus at one time, did they accidentally transfer one-celled life forms to Earth with their space probes, as we could have done to Mars?

Of course being more of believer in creationism, I believe that God created the universe. But it's something to think about.

While earth's distance from the sun is another point (not actually fine tuned since we could have been thousands of miles closer or further and be in the 'habitable zone)- this is hot the crucial reason
why earth's primordial CO2 atmosphere ended up in earth's crust in contrast to what happened on Venus.

But good points to think about - thank you for your input.

The planets distance from the sun (within a habitable zone) is an example of the really silly fudge factors used by creationists in an attempt to support the falsely labeled “fine tuning” slogan.

Without exception, fine tuning means “kinda’, sorta’, pretty close but could be bigger, smaller, left or right from where it is.”

Point #1 is not earth's distance from the sun. Try again.

OK.

There is a large habitable zone wherein the earth could support life? Why did the gods allow for such a fudge factor?

There are no "gods". If you believe in God, there's only one: The God of Abraham and Moses, the God who loved us so much that He sent his only son to die on the cross, so that we would have redemption from our sins.

Jesus died on the cross and after three days, was resurrected. He now sits at the right-hand side of the Father, awaiting the judgement day.

That being said, the planet's orbit around the sun is not a perpetual motion. The sun's gravitational force pulls the planets closer and closer, with every planetary orbit. It may be immeasurable over a lifetime but over hundred of billions of years (if you're an "old earther"), the planets are being drawn into the sun.

That would explain, according to the "old earth theory" why life has thrived on this planet, while Venus is a burned-out lifeless planet. The temperature on Venus is too hot to support life, because of its close proximity to the sun. Neither is the temperature and atmosphere on Mars. Only the earth is in the "sweet spot" in distance to the sun, which can support life.

But within hundreds of million of years from now, the gravitational pull of the sun will have drawn the earth to the location of where Venus is, and Mars will have been drawn into our "sweet spot." Possibly then life will flourish on Mars. Life will evolve into sentient beings. Civilization will flourish.

Of course, I deny any of this. My faith as a Christian tells me that my God created the heavens and the earth in seven days.

Why should I accept your gods as the gods when there are lots of gods existing and which served humans prior to your gods?

Personally. I don't give a flying hoot what you accept or believe. You can believe in the flying spaghetti monster for all I care, because between you and me, I'm no evangelist. I'm not a devout Christian, actually I'm more of a "Christian sympathizer." I've heard God's word and I agree with what is written in the Bible but out of my own pride, am not willing to be a martyr or a victim.

In other words, I'm the guy those Christians will call if they ever get tired of turning the other cheek, because I have no reservations about hoisting the black flag and slitting some throats, figuratively speaking.

 

[Newtonian]

I would imagine it was sucked into a black hole.

But I can surmise why the earth hasn't ended up like Venus: The planet's orbitations are slowly being drawn closer to the sun, because of the sun's gravitational pull. At some point eons ago, Venus would have been in the same proximity to the sun as the Earth is now, and Earth would have been located where Mars is.

Which brings up another question: If Venus was is the "perfect" position in relation to the sun as we are here, would there have been life? And will there be life on Mars at some point eons from now, when the Earth's orbit has been pulled closer to the sun, and Mars has moved to our proximity to the sun?

Another thing to think about: When we sent the Mars Rover to the planet, did some single-cell forms of life manage to hitchhike a ride from here to Mars, embedded in some tiny crack in the Mars Rover? And if so, have those life forms thrived?

And if one believes in Darwinism and if it did thrive, will it evolve to become sentinent beings by the time the Earth is pulled closer to the sun, and Mars is where our orbit is?

Which brings another question: If there was the possibility of life on Venus at one time, did they accidentally transfer one-celled life forms to Earth with their space probes, as we could have done to Mars?

Of course being more of believer in creationism, I believe that God created the universe. But it's something to think about.

While earth's distance from the sun is another point (not actually fine tuned since we could have been thousands of miles closer or further and be in the 'habitable zone)- this is hot the crucial reason
why earth's primordial CO2 atmosphere ended up in earth's crust in contrast to what happened on Venus.

But good points to think about - thank you for your input.

The planets distance from the sun (within a habitable zone) is an example of the really silly fudge factors used by creationists in an attempt to support the falsely labeled “fine tuning” slogan.

Without exception, fine tuning means “kinda’, sorta’, pretty close but could be bigger, smaller, left or right from where it is.”

Point #1 is not earth's distance from the sun. Try again.

OK.

There is a large habitable zone wherein the earth could support life? Why did the gods allow for such a fudge factor?

Again, that is NOT point #1. Earth's orbital position could change and still be in the habitable zone - I think the reason is that earth's orbital position may change.

But actually I don't mind your fudge tangent - I love chocolate!

So, yes. With a lot of room for the planet being either closer or farther from the sun within a habitable zone, the planet is “fine tuned” as long as you are willing to include huge fudge factors in your definitions.

Which is one reason that is not point #1. Still waiting for you to address point #1.

[Note: many other factors are precisely fine tuned.]

But you are getting me hungry with all your references to fudge!

 

[JGalt]

I would imagine it was sucked into a black hole.

But I can surmise why the earth hasn't ended up like Venus: The planet's orbitations are slowly being drawn closer to the sun, because of the sun's gravitational pull. At some point eons ago, Venus would have been in the same proximity to the sun as the Earth is now, and Earth would have been located where Mars is.

Which brings up another question: If Venus was is the "perfect" position in relation to the sun as we are here, would there have been life? And will there be life on Mars at some point eons from now, when the Earth's orbit has been pulled closer to the sun, and Mars has moved to our proximity to the sun?

Another thing to think about: When we sent the Mars Rover to the planet, did some single-cell forms of life manage to hitchhike a ride from here to Mars, embedded in some tiny crack in the Mars Rover? And if so, have those life forms thrived?

And if one believes in Darwinism and if it did thrive, will it evolve to become sentinent beings by the time the Earth is pulled closer to the sun, and Mars is where our orbit is?

Which brings another question: If there was the possibility of life on Venus at one time, did they accidentally transfer one-celled life forms to Earth with their space probes, as we could have done to Mars?

Of course being more of believer in creationism, I believe that God created the universe. But it's something to think about.

While earth's distance from the sun is another point (not actually fine tuned since we could have been thousands of miles closer or further and be in the 'habitable zone)- this is hot the crucial reason
why earth's primordial CO2 atmosphere ended up in earth's crust in contrast to what happened on Venus.

But good points to think about - thank you for your input.

The planets distance from the sun (within a habitable zone) is an example of the really silly fudge factors used by creationists in an attempt to support the falsely labeled “fine tuning” slogan.

Without exception, fine tuning means “kinda’, sorta’, pretty close but could be bigger, smaller, left or right from where it is.”

Point #1 is not earth's distance from the sun. Try again.

OK.

There is a large habitable zone wherein the earth could support life? Why did the gods allow for such a fudge factor?

There are no "gods". If you believe in God, there's only one: The God of Abraham and Moses, the God who loved us so much that He sent his only son to die on the cross, so that we would have redemption from our sins.

Jesus died on the cross and after three days, was resurrected. He now sits at the right-hand side of the Father, awaiting the judgement day.

That being said, the planet's orbit around the sun is not a perpetual motion. The sun's gravitational force pulls the planets closer and closer, with every planetary orbit. It may be immeasurable over a lifetime but over hundred of billions of years (if you're an "old earther"), the planets are being drawn into the sun.

That would explain, according to the "old earth theory" why life has thrived on this planet, while Venus is a burned-out lifeless planet. The temperature on Venus is too hot to support life, because of its close proximity to the sun. Neither is the temperature and atmosphere on Mars. Only the earth is in the "sweet spot" in distance to the sun, which can support life.

But within hundreds of million of years from now, the gravitational pull of the sun will have drawn the earth to the location of where Venus is, and Mars will have been drawn into our "sweet spot." Possibly then life will flourish on Mars. Life will evolve into sentient beings. Civilization will flourish.

Of course, I deny any of this. My faith as a Christian tells me that my God created the heavens and the earth in seven days.

Actually, some scientists believe earth will recede from the sun as the sun loses mass and its gravity becomes weaker.

The sun won't go full-thermonuclear until long after the planets have been drawn closer to it. Planets are just minuscule orbiting pieces of dirt, stars like the sun are massive nuclear explosions that last for an unknown billions of years.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I was up to example #3 but cannot find the posts. I need help with that.

One of the examples involves the geologic carbon cycle including a Britannica article on the evolution of earth's atmosphere which quantified the amount of CO2 now trapped in earth's carbonates. Reposting the article link:

Evolution of the atmosphere - Biological Carbon Cycle

Evolution of the atmosphere - Biological Carbon Cycle: The biological processes of photosynthesis and respiration mediate the exchange of carbon between the atmosphere or hydrosphere and the biosphere, In these reactions, CH2O crudely represents organic material, the biomass of bacteria...

www.britannica.com

The chart:

"Carbon in Earth's crust
form
total amount (Pg* C)
*One Pg (abbreviation for petagram) equals one quadrillion (1015) grams. Entries refer to amounts of carbon.

atmospheric CO (as of 1978)
696
oceanic carbon dioxide, bicarbonate ion, and carbonate ion
34,800
limestones, other carbonate sediments
64,800,000
carbonate in metamorphic rocks
2,640,000
total biomass
594
organic carbon in ocean water
996
organic carbon in soils
2,064
organic carbon in sedimentary rocks
12,000,000
organic carbon in metamorphic rocks
3,480,000
The table also emphasizes the dissolution of atmospheric gases by the ocean. The carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is in equilibrium with, and far less abundant than, the oceanic inventory of carbon dioxide, bicarbonate ions (HCO3−),"

Notice that most carbon in earth's crust is in the form of carbonates like limestone.

So - why didn't earth end up like Venus?

Well allow me to end this discussion for all rational people whose minds are not addled by iron aged myths:

The earth is not fine tuned to anything. We are fine tuned to it, by it.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Actually, some scientists believe earth will recede from the sun as the sun loses mass and its gravity becomes weaker

Actually, this is a well known fact, and the rate is about 1.6 cm per year.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Another good thing about COVID .... GW posts have all but disappeared

But the science continues....

 

[fncceo]

Another good thing about COVID .... GW posts have all but disappeared

But the science continues....

Science is now focussed on more essential fields, like curing male pattern baldness and prolonging erections.