Can this be true?

[beagle9]

Next stop...Arlington! Lets dig up all those 'suspects' and deport them bodies now polluting our sacred soil. One of them, maybe, could have been an infiltrator.

Your concern is predicated on circumstances which have radically changed during the past two decades.

My family's ethnic lineage is German. My paternal grandparents were German immigrants. My father and his brother enlisted in the U.S. Army three weeks after Pearl Harbor was attacked. Both were interviewed by Military Intelligence, as were all ethnic German recruits, and both were deployed to the Pacific, as were all ethnic German-American U.S. soldiers. This was during an era when all Japanese living in America, including citizens, were interned -- as were some Germans who were thought to pose a security risk.

The primary (and major) consideration during the WW-II era was the critical fact that the U.S. was defending itself against its adversaries, a major factor which is not present in our ongoing military conflicts in the Middle East. Today we are faced with an internal threat which has shown itself to be fanatically suicidal and hostile to everything America is and stands for. Yet, rather than be denounced for ethnic discrimination we are accepting for service in our military people with the same ethnic composition and orientation as Major Nidal Hasan.

It seems we are asking for it.

Mike, You have no doubt noticed that I am liberal, and even many of my board friends think I am too 'touchy-feely'. I am also old, but with a reasonably sound memory. I appreciate your responses and envy your command of articulation, making your posts, and your opposition, easy for me to understand. Thanks

I knew the Japanese-American troops were all sent to Europe, but I didn't know the army had a presence in the Pacific. I thought that was a Navy/Marine arena. And the action makes sense for more than one reason. Can we not do the same today? Send the Paki to Japan, etc? And wasn't (isn't?) Nidal Hasan and American? I am admittedly limited in my knowledge of military procedures, so I suppose the fact that the military thinks in terms of units and not individuals determines deployment. All I really know is that this issue is very unpleasant with me. I'm glad your Dad and uncle got a chance to prove their loyalty instead of getting booted out because of ethnic suspicion.

Liberals love to use this but, but, but he is an American bullcrap.... Nope.. He gave that up the very day and hour he decided to kill American's in the name of his foriegn born religion or nationalism he exibited for another country in the act of his killing of Americans.

The use of him being American if by birth upon the American soil or by coming here and taking an oath means nothing when he decided to attack America in the name of a foriegn religion or a foriegn country.

It is a cover up and deflection only (when see this kind of talk), otherwise in trying to somehow justify the person regardless of the acts committed just because they were American (by a technical standpoint), and not instead a true American by heart.

 

[bullwinkle]

Next stop...Arlington! Lets dig up all those 'suspects' and deport them bodies now polluting our sacred soil. One of them, maybe, could have been an infiltrator.

Your concern is predicated on circumstances which have radically changed during the past two decades.

My family's ethnic lineage is German. My paternal grandparents were German immigrants. My father and his brother enlisted in the U.S. Army three weeks after Pearl Harbor was attacked. Both were interviewed by Military Intelligence, as were all ethnic German recruits, and both were deployed to the Pacific, as were all ethnic German-American U.S. soldiers. This was during an era when all Japanese living in America, including citizens, were interned -- as were some Germans who were thought to pose a security risk.

The primary (and major) consideration during the WW-II era was the critical fact that the U.S. was defending itself against its adversaries, a major factor which is not present in our ongoing military conflicts in the Middle East. Today we are faced with an internal threat which has shown itself to be fanatically suicidal and hostile to everything America is and stands for. Yet, rather than be denounced for ethnic discrimination we are accepting for service in our military people with the same ethnic composition and orientation as Major Nidal Hasan.

It seems we are asking for it.

Mike, You have no doubt noticed that I am liberal, and even many of my board friends think I am too 'touchy-feely'. I am also old, but with a reasonably sound memory. I appreciate your responses and envy your command of articulation, making your posts, and your opposition, easy for me to understand. Thanks

I knew the Japanese-American troops were all sent to Europe, but I didn't know the army had a presence in the Pacific. I thought that was a Navy/Marine arena. And the action makes sense for more than one reason. Can we not do the same today? Send the Paki to Japan, etc? And wasn't (isn't?) Nidal Hasan and American? I am admittedly limited in my knowledge of military procedures, so I suppose the fact that the military thinks in terms of units and not individuals determines deployment. All I really know is that this issue is very unpleasant with me. I'm glad your Dad and uncle got a chance to prove their loyalty instead of getting booted out because of ethnic suspicion.

Liberals love to use this but, but, but he is an American bullcrap.... Nope.. He gave that up the very day and hour he decided to kill American's in the name of his foriegn born religion or nationalism he exibited for another country in the act of his killing of Americans.

The use of him being American if by birth upon the American soil or by coming here and taking an oath means nothing when he decided to attack America in the name of a foriegn religion or a foriegn country.

It is a cover up and deflection only (when see this kind of talk), otherwise in trying to somehow justify the person regardless of the acts committed just because they were American (by a technical standpoint), and not instead a true American by heart.

Beagle, Hasan gave up his rights by his act, just like every other American criminal, but citizenship remains intact. The point is that he wasn't an immigrant.

 

[MikeK]

Mike, You have no doubt noticed that I am liberal, and even many of my board friends think I am too 'touchy-feely'. I am also old, but with a reasonably sound memory. I appreciate your responses and envy your command of articulation, making your posts, and your opposition, easy for me to understand.

Sincere thanks for the friendly words. Much appreciated.

I knew the Japanese-American troops were all sent to Europe, but I didn't know the army had a presence in the Pacific. I thought that was a Navy/Marine arena.

That is a common misconception which happens to be the product of an interesting bit of military history.

Whenever my father mentioned the Marines he did so in such respectful and admiring terms it actually gave rise to my determination to join the Corps, which I finally did in 1956. And as I later learned he was not the only GI who praised the Marines legendary actions in the Pacific, which is what ultimately gave birth to the misconception that the Pacific campaign was conducted entirely by Marines.

The fact is with few exceptions, most notably Iwo Jima, the Army was involved in the bulk of the Pacific campaign. But in every example the Marines were the "first in" and cleared the beaches for the Army. In fact, when my father's Army unit learned they were going to Guadalcanal they believed they would be "first in" but they landed on a tranquil beach, which had been cleared by Marines (at substantial cost). My father's Army unit was one of three that relieved the Marines on "the 'canal" (Guadalcanal) and were tasked with clearing what turned out to be unexpectedly fierce resistance during the inland "mop up" which involved weeks of severe fighting, including two suicidal Banzai charges.

There is a current movie called The Thin Red Line which, based on all I've been told, is an artfully realistic and accurate portrayal of the Army's experience on Guadalcanal.

And wasn't (isn't?) Nidal Hasan and American?

Not only is Hasan an American citizen the stunning fact is although the man is a psychiatrist -- an extremely well-educated, intellectually advanced medical specialist, his homicidal action reflected a baffling level of adherence to Islamic fanaticism, right down to shouting "Allahu Akhbar" as he methodically murdered eleven Americans and wounded many others.

I suggest that we are confronted by a form of conditioned insanity which is unlike anything we've ever anticipated and is easily capable of defeating us from within unless we adopt an extremely radical, expediently forceful means of dealing with it.

 

[beagle9]

Next stop...Arlington! Lets dig up all those 'suspects' and deport them bodies now polluting our sacred soil. One of them, maybe, could have been an infiltrator.

Your concern is predicated on circumstances which have radically changed during the past two decades.

My family's ethnic lineage is German. My paternal grandparents were German immigrants. My father and his brother enlisted in the U.S. Army three weeks after Pearl Harbor was attacked. Both were interviewed by Military Intelligence, as were all ethnic German recruits, and both were deployed to the Pacific, as were all ethnic German-American U.S. soldiers. This was during an era when all Japanese living in America, including citizens, were interned -- as were some Germans who were thought to pose a security risk.

The primary (and major) consideration during the WW-II era was the critical fact that the U.S. was defending itself against its adversaries, a major factor which is not present in our ongoing military conflicts in the Middle East. Today we are faced with an internal threat which has shown itself to be fanatically suicidal and hostile to everything America is and stands for. Yet, rather than be denounced for ethnic discrimination we are accepting for service in our military people with the same ethnic composition and orientation as Major Nidal Hasan.

It seems we are asking for it.

Mike, You have no doubt noticed that I am liberal, and even many of my board friends think I am too 'touchy-feely'. I am also old, but with a reasonably sound memory. I appreciate your responses and envy your command of articulation, making your posts, and your opposition, easy for me to understand. Thanks

I knew the Japanese-American troops were all sent to Europe, but I didn't know the army had a presence in the Pacific. I thought that was a Navy/Marine arena. And the action makes sense for more than one reason. Can we not do the same today? Send the Paki to Japan, etc? And wasn't (isn't?) Nidal Hasan and American? I am admittedly limited in my knowledge of military procedures, so I suppose the fact that the military thinks in terms of units and not individuals determines deployment. All I really know is that this issue is very unpleasant with me. I'm glad your Dad and uncle got a chance to prove their loyalty instead of getting booted out because of ethnic suspicion.

Liberals love to use this but, but, but he is an American bullcrap.... Nope.. He gave that up the very day and hour he decided to kill American's in the name of his foriegn born religion or nationalism he exibited for another country in the act of his killing of Americans.

The use of him being American if by birth upon the American soil or by coming here and taking an oath means nothing when he decided to attack America in the name of a foriegn religion or a foriegn country.

It is a cover up and deflection only (when see this kind of talk), otherwise in trying to somehow justify the person regardless of the acts committed just because they were American (by a technical standpoint), and not instead a true American by heart.

Beagle, Hasan gave up his rights by his act, just like every other American criminal, but citizenship remains intact. The point is that he wasn't an immigrant.

Citizenship means nothing in the case of Hasan... The same with the American turned militant enemy combatant upon the battlefield, and in which was targeted and killed on the battlefield where as the fact of him being a citizen means absolutely nothing. I seem to remember an argument by the left concerning the killing of an American on the battlefield turned terrorist was somehow wrong ??? Kidding me right ??

I think a drone took him out, and good riddance. Let it be a warning to anyother American that thinks about betraying their country.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Good.

Last thing we need are foreign citizens empowered to fire on American citizens in times of unrest.

There's no loyalty.

That’s the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. We have had immigrants in our military since our nation’s founding

And slaves too.

So what is your point?

That we cannot change policies?

I do not like the idea of having noncitizens in our military.

IF they want to join our military then they should sign an intent form saying that they plan to become citizens upon enlistment.

No citizenship, then no check.

We do not need foreign mercenaries in our military.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I'd like to kill a few birds with one stone and amend the 14th to clarify under the jurisdiction of the United States government.

Though relevant here, given the government is declaring jurisdiction (which is technicaly impossible given the undocumented people are also technically under the jurisdiction of other nations) when they allow illegal immigrants into the military, that's largely another topic. And a much deeper discussion involving birthright citizenship.