China Buries Christians Alive

[Dhara]

Lucy,

You think Christians have a right to not serve gays, because of their "sin" of being who they are. I disagree. Christians would bake wedding cakes for murderers in prison before they'd serve decent law abiding gay families.

That is bigotry.

I wouldn't bake a cake for murderers in prison.

I bet some Christians would.

Well I'm sure there are, but I would disagree with them, however if they want to bake a cake for a murderer then that's their business.

Sure, bake a cake for a murderer, but discriminate in business with gay people because they're "sinners".

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Lucy,

You think Christians have a right to not serve gays, because of their "sin" of being who they are. I disagree. Christians would bake wedding cakes for murderers in prison before they'd serve decent law abiding gay families.

That is bigotry.

I wouldn't bake a cake for murderers in prison.

I bet some Christians would.

Well I'm sure there are, but I would disagree with them, however if they want to bake a cake for a murderer then that's their business.

Sure, bake a cake for a murderer, but discriminate in business with gay people because they're "sinners".

Not that I said that, I already articulated my position, I said I'd bake the cake, what do you want me to do shoot myself?

 

[Dhara]

Lucy,

You think Christians have a right to not serve gays, because of their "sin" of being who they are. I disagree. Christians would bake wedding cakes for murderers in prison before they'd serve decent law abiding gay families.

That is bigotry.

I wouldn't bake a cake for murderers in prison.

I bet some Christians would.

Well I'm sure there are, but I would disagree with them, however if they want to bake a cake for a murderer then that's their business.

Sure, bake a cake for a murderer, but discriminate in business with gay people because they're "sinners".

Not that I said that, I already articulated my position, I said I'd bake the cake, what do you want me to do shoot myself?

Hold on there. Discrimination is ALL of our business. Christians used to claim the Bible said interracial marriage was sinful and some refused to serve blacks at lunch counters because of discrimination.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Wait, this OP cares about Christians ?

 

[Dhara]

Wait, this OP cares about Christians ?

What else is new?

 

[waltky]

China is reportedly burning bibles and making Christians renounce their faith...

China is reportedly burning bibles and making Christians renounce their faith to ensure total loyalty to the Communist Party
Sep. 10, 2018,

• Chinese officials are cracking down on Christians on an unprecedented scale, the Associated Press reported.
• They have been burning bibles, shutting down churches, and ordering people to renounce their faith, the news agency cited pastors and religious groups as saying.
• It corresponds to a government drive to make sure everyone is loyal to the atheist Communist Party before anything else.
• Chinese law requires religious followers to worship only in registered congregations, but millions of people are in underground churches that defy government restrictions.
• A local official denied accounts of the crackdown on Christianity, saying that the country respected religious freedom.
• All of China's officially recognized religions appear to have been affected by the crackdown. About 1 million Uighurs of the Muslim faith are detained in political or re-education camps.

• [*]China's government is ratcheting up a crackdown on Christian congregations in Beijing and several provinces, destroying crosses, burning bibles, shutting churches and ordering followers to sign papers renouncing their faith, according to pastors and a group that monitors religion in China. The campaign corresponds with a drive to "Sinicize" religion by demanding loyalty to the officially atheist Communist Party and eliminating any challenge to its power over people's lives. Bob Fu of the U.S.-based group China Aid said over the weekend that the closure of churches in central Henan province and a prominent house church in Beijing in recent weeks represents a "significant escalation" of the crackdown. "The international community should be alarmed and outraged for this blatant violation of freedom of religion and belief," he wrote in an email.

An underground Catholic church in Jiexi county, China​

Under President Xi Jinping, China's most powerful leader since Mao Zedong, religious believers are seeing their freedoms shrink dramatically even as the country undergoes a religious revival. Experts and activists say that as he consolidates his power, Xi is waging the most severe systematic suppression of Christianity in the country since religious freedom was written into the Chinese constitution in 1982. Fu also provided video footage of what appeared to be piles of burning bibles and forms stating that the signatories had renounced their Christian faith. He said that marked the first time since Mao's radical 1966-1976 Cultural Revolution that Christians had been compelled to make such declarations, under pain of expulsion from school and the loss of welfare benefits. A Christian pastor in the Henan city of Nanyang said crosses, bibles and furniture were burned during a raid on his church on Sept. 5.

The pastor, who asked not to be identified by name to avoid repercussions from authorities, said several people entered the church just as it opened its doors at 5 a.m. and began removing items. He said the church had been in discussions with local authorities who demanded it "reform" itself, but no agreement had been reached or official documents released. Chinese law requires religious believers to worship only in congregations registered with the authorities, but many millions belong to so-called underground or house churches that defy government restrictions. A local official reached by phone at the Nanyang city government disputed the account, saying officials respected religious freedom. The man declined to give his name, as is common with Chinese bureaucrats, while a person answering phones at the local religious affairs bureau said they were "not clear" about the matter.

The Zion church in Beijing, pictured here in May 2018, was closed by 60 government workers on Sunday.​

In Beijing, the Zion church was shut on Sunday by around 60 government workers who arrived at 4:30 p.m. accompanied by buses, police cars and fire trucks, the church's pastor, Ezra Jin Mingri, said Monday. Zion is known as the largest house church in Beijing, with six branches. The officials declared the gatherings illegal and sealed off church properties, Jin said, after already freezing the pastor's personal assets in an apparent attempt to force him to comply with their demands. "Churches will continue to develop. Blocking the sites will only intensify conflicts," Jin told The Associated Press by phone. A notice posted Sunday on the website of the Chaoyang district government in Beijing said the Zion Church had been closed because it failed to register with the government.

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[Votto]

China is reportedly burning bibles and making Christians renounce their faith...

China is reportedly burning bibles and making Christians renounce their faith to ensure total loyalty to the Communist Party
Sep. 10, 2018,

• 
  
  
  • Chinese officials are cracking down on Christians on an unprecedented scale, the Associated Press reported.
  • They have been burning bibles, shutting down churches, and ordering people to renounce their faith, the news agency cited pastors and religious groups as saying.
  • It corresponds to a government drive to make sure everyone is loyal to the atheist Communist Party before anything else.
  • Chinese law requires religious followers to worship only in registered congregations, but millions of people are in underground churches that defy government restrictions.
  • A local official denied accounts of the crackdown on Christianity, saying that the country respected religious freedom.
  • All of China's officially recognized religions appear to have been affected by the crackdown. About 1 million Uighurs of the Muslim faith are detained in political or re-education camps.

• [*]China's government is ratcheting up a crackdown on Christian congregations in Beijing and several provinces, destroying crosses, burning bibles, shutting churches and ordering followers to sign papers renouncing their faith, according to pastors and a group that monitors religion in China. The campaign corresponds with a drive to "Sinicize" religion by demanding loyalty to the officially atheist Communist Party and eliminating any challenge to its power over people's lives. Bob Fu of the U.S.-based group China Aid said over the weekend that the closure of churches in central Henan province and a prominent house church in Beijing in recent weeks represents a "significant escalation" of the crackdown. "The international community should be alarmed and outraged for this blatant violation of freedom of religion and belief," he wrote in an email.

An underground Catholic church in Jiexi county, China​

Under President Xi Jinping, China's most powerful leader since Mao Zedong, religious believers are seeing their freedoms shrink dramatically even as the country undergoes a religious revival. Experts and activists say that as he consolidates his power, Xi is waging the most severe systematic suppression of Christianity in the country since religious freedom was written into the Chinese constitution in 1982. Fu also provided video footage of what appeared to be piles of burning bibles and forms stating that the signatories had renounced their Christian faith. He said that marked the first time since Mao's radical 1966-1976 Cultural Revolution that Christians had been compelled to make such declarations, under pain of expulsion from school and the loss of welfare benefits. A Christian pastor in the Henan city of Nanyang said crosses, bibles and furniture were burned during a raid on his church on Sept. 5.

The pastor, who asked not to be identified by name to avoid repercussions from authorities, said several people entered the church just as it opened its doors at 5 a.m. and began removing items. He said the church had been in discussions with local authorities who demanded it "reform" itself, but no agreement had been reached or official documents released. Chinese law requires religious believers to worship only in congregations registered with the authorities, but many millions belong to so-called underground or house churches that defy government restrictions. A local official reached by phone at the Nanyang city government disputed the account, saying officials respected religious freedom. The man declined to give his name, as is common with Chinese bureaucrats, while a person answering phones at the local religious affairs bureau said they were "not clear" about the matter.

The Zion church in Beijing, pictured here in May 2018, was closed by 60 government workers on Sunday.​

In Beijing, the Zion church was shut on Sunday by around 60 government workers who arrived at 4:30 p.m. accompanied by buses, police cars and fire trucks, the church's pastor, Ezra Jin Mingri, said Monday. Zion is known as the largest house church in Beijing, with six branches. The officials declared the gatherings illegal and sealed off church properties, Jin said, after already freezing the pastor's personal assets in an apparent attempt to force him to comply with their demands. "Churches will continue to develop. Blocking the sites will only intensify conflicts," Jin told The Associated Press by phone. A notice posted Sunday on the website of the Chaoyang district government in Beijing said the Zion Church had been closed because it failed to register with the government.

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And that is on a good day.

Yea, if you let Christians go running wild, next thing you know you will have soup kitchens and bingo tournaments and homeless shelters about.

Can you blame them?

Tell me they at least take their organs before killing them, like they do those that are behind bars in China.

Waste not, want not.

I know the Germans were good at this sort of thing. In fact, Germans I think are still selling gold teeth and wigs taken from Auschwitz.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Where were you when China invaded Tibet and killed so many Buddhists?

^^^
I despised these sorts of people.

 

[DustyInfinity]

Arne't many of these baking incidents for weddings only. In many cases, they have served gay customers for years with no problem. They just took exception to making wedding cakes. I don't think there is hatred of a group. I don't think it is bigoted to believe in traditional marriage, or that it is an act of hatred. I agree that Christian's are easy targets, and that it is wrong to persecute members of any faith. I also believe that China should be held accountable for their human rights violations despite their economic power. Though that would make any president a one term president.

 

[frigidweirdo]

China has the worst record of religious persecution in modern history.

China is repressing religion, because it sees religion as a power base.

That doesn't mean it's got the worst record of religious persecution in modern history by a long way. To say such a thing would be to be ignorant of a lot of history.

And it's funny how you only see religious persecution when it comes to Christians. Muslims have it much, MUCH worse than Christians.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

We build up a China economically at our expense, and all we got in return was Western Christian culture oppressed in China?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Wait, this OP cares about Christians ?

What else is new?

You don't know him.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

We build up a China economically at our expense, and all we got in return was Western Christian culture oppressed in China?

They are not our friends. They are barbarians

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

We build up a China economically at our expense, and all we got in return was Western Christian culture oppressed in China?

They are not our friends. They are barbarians

The Chinese barbarity is bad, but the fact that we've empowered them economically is downright stupidity.

 

[Marion Morrison]

We build up a China economically at our expense, and all we got in return was Western Christian culture oppressed in China?

They are not our friends. They are barbarians

The Chinese barbarity is bad, but the fact that we've empowered them economically is downright stupidity.

Agreed.

 

[Votto]

China has the worst record of religious persecution in modern history.

China is repressing religion, because it sees religion as a power base.

That doesn't mean it's got the worst record of religious persecution in modern history by a long way. To say such a thing would be to be ignorant of a lot of history.

And it's funny how you only see religious persecution when it comes to Christians. Muslims have it much, MUCH worse than Christians.

On a positive note, the Leftist Pope and his traveling group of pedophile priests can't come to China.

At least they can be proud of that.

As for Muslims, looking at terrorism around the world, it is dominated by Islamic groups so it would behoove them to target them more than Christians.