Climate Change Deniers Claim to Understand Science

[Bugler]

Apparently all the deniers have to work with are false equivalencies.
How science deniers use false equivalence - Skeptical Raptor

Why did the name change from Global Warming to Climate Change?


Thanks.

Because the general public doesn't understand the complexities of global climate and can't understand how the atmosphere can be warming but a local snow storm is worse than ever.

It is a way for the uneducated to understand a complex system.

I think most of us don't understand how you folks keep saying the same BS with a straight face, quite impressive.

I don't understand how you deniers get a pass on the forum rules. Is the moderator a denier him/herself? Not accusing anyone, but it sure seems that the rules are thrown around rather loosely in this forum And the reason why I ask is because despite my repeatedly pointing this out, the subject of this thread is not the climate science data. The subject of this thread is the tactics used by deniers to spread their lies. And so your posts continue to be off topic, unless you are using it as an example of those tactics. Is that what you are trying to do? Somehow, I have a doubt.

 

[Liminal]

Climate Change Denial could soon be defined as a diagnosable mental illness.
Are You in Climate Change Denial Three Signs to Look For Psychology Today

 

[mamooth]

With no offense intended but I am not sure how old your rocks are but the science in the 70s certainly was saying we were going into another ice age.

No offense intended, but that's completely false. The science of the 1970s was overwhelmingly predicting warming.

Your problem is you constantly confusing couple media articles with actual science. The actual science has been spot on correct.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Apparently all the deniers have to work with are false equivalencies.
How science deniers use false equivalence - Skeptical Raptor

Why did the name change from Global Warming to Climate Change?


Thanks.

Because the general public doesn't understand the complexities of global climate and can't understand how the atmosphere can be warming but a local snow storm is worse than ever.

It is a way for the uneducated to understand a complex system.

The system is too complex to replicate in a lab -- all we know for sure is that a wisp of CO2 is melting the polar ice caps.

Yeah, sounds like voodoo meets phrenology

 

[Uncensored2008]

Because the general public doesn't understand the complexities of global climate and can't understand how the atmosphere can be warming but a local snow storm is worse than ever.

It is a way for the uneducated to understand a complex system.

The general public doesn't understand the need for grant money. That new Corvette isn't going to buy itself.

The uneducated don't grasp the complexity of living on the dole and how important it is to "adjust" past records to meet current goals. These cretins call the learned gurus of AGW "frauds" and "crooks" because they adjust data to display what is needed for the grants to keep flowing. I mean, what is a broken hokey stick when billions are at stake?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Here are a few of the Hansen predictions:

What do we learn from James Hansen's 1988 prediction?

Here is another good article on the accuracy of predictions concerning the weather.

Embarrassing Predictions Haunt the Global-Warming Industry

Embarrassing Predictions Haunt the Global-Warming Industry


Yeah, yeah, I know what you all are going to say. It is better to scare the piss out of everyone and shut down their place of employment then to do nothing. I disagree.

And that's before Guam tips over

 

[Uncensored2008]

Climate Change Denial could soon be defined as a diagnosable mental illness.
Are You in Climate Change Denial Three Signs to Look For Psychology Today

As I said, you are less scietific than Scientology, and less tolerant than Islam. Many religions seek to imprison heretics - your's is not the first.

 

[mamooth]

The general public doesn't understand the need for grant money. That new Corvette isn't going to buy itself.

You poor thing. All the data says you're wrong. Therefore, you have to come up with all these ever more elaborate conspiracy theories. And it's not working any more. Everyone just laughs at your conspiracy theories.

When the whole world says you're wrong, it's not because of a global conspiracy. It's because you're wrong. Non=cultists understand that. Cultists rage about the VastSecretGlobalSocialistPlot.

Even FOX and the GOP now think the denier cult is toxic. You have to choose between following your leader-rats in abandoning ship, or riding the SS Denier to the bottom.

 

[Freewill]

With no offense intended but I am not sure how old your rocks are but the science in the 70s certainly was saying we were going into another ice age.

No offense intended, but that's completely false. The science of the 1970s was overwhelmingly predicting warming.

Your problem is you constantly confusing couple media articles with actual science. The actual science has been spot on correct.

I read the books back then and they DID not state that warming was coming. That was a foreign concept at the time. BUT if they did then their predictions obviously went wrong as i have provided the links you can see for yourself.

 

[mamooth]

Here are a few of the Hansen predictions:

Hansen/s 1988 prediction was very good. That's why deniers so often lie about it. Commit fraud, that is. Deniers deliberately use the wrong emission scenario.

What do we learn from James Hansen s 1988 prediction

What does it say about you, that your denier cult committed fraud, and that you were so eager to fall for the fraud? You should be embarrassed, and also angry at your cult leaders for feeding you such a deception and then leaving you hanging. If you have any integrity, you'll renounce them and call them out. If you don't, you'll get angry at the messenger now.

Back in the real world, all the models have been very good. It's just one reason why the science has such credibility. Deniers have created a whole cottage industry around fraudulently representing the models.

 

[mamooth]

I read the books back then and they DID not state that warming was coming. That was a foreign concept at the time. BUT if they did then their predictions obviously went wrong as i have provided the links you can see for yourself.

And I read "Chariots of the Gods", but I'm not claiming scientists said aliens had visited earth.

Again, you are confusing media with science, not to mention engaging in a brazen cherrypicking fallacy. The predictions of the actual science were very good.

 

[Freewill]

Apparently all the deniers have to work with are false equivalencies.
How science deniers use false equivalence - Skeptical Raptor

Why did the name change from Global Warming to Climate Change?


Thanks.

Because the general public doesn't understand the complexities of global climate and can't understand how the atmosphere can be warming but a local snow storm is worse than ever.

It is a way for the uneducated to understand a complex system.

I think most of us don't understand how you folks keep saying the same BS with a straight face, quite impressive.

I don't understand how you deniers get a pass on the forum rules. Is the moderator a denier him/herself? Not accusing anyone, but it sure seems that the rules are thrown around rather loosely in this forum And the reason why I ask is because despite my repeatedly pointing this out, the subject of this thread is not the climate science data. The subject of this thread is the tactics used by deniers to spread their lies. And so your posts continue to be off topic, unless you are using it as an example of those tactics. Is that what you are trying to do? Somehow, I have a doubt.

I made a joke, you go off on an unrelated diatribe, so who is really violating the rules?

here so info on the predictions of the 70s: Popular Technology.net 1970s Global Cooling Alarmism

 

[Uncensored2008]

You poor thing. All the data says you're wrong.

Really?

Would that be the data your church fabricates?

Therefore, you have to come up with all these ever more elaborate conspiracy theories. And it's not working any more. Everyone just laughs at your conspiracy theories.

When the whole world says you're wrong, it's not because of a global conspiracy. It's because you're wrong. Non=cultists understand that. Cultists rage about the VastSecretGlobalSocialistPlot.

Even FOX and the GOP now think the denier cult is toxic. You have to choose between following your leader-rats in abandoning ship, or riding the SS Denier to the bottom.

Conspiracy?

Your cult is a bunch of bumbling fools - you get caught every turn.

{One of the first examples of these “adjustments” was exposed in 2007 by the statistician Steve McIntyre, when he discovered a paper published in 1987 by James Hansen, the scientist (later turned fanatical climate activist) who for many years ran Giss. Hansen’s original graph showed temperatures in the Arctic as having been much higher around 1940 than at any time since. But as Homewood reveals in his blog post, “Temperature adjustments transform Arctic history”, Giss has turned this upside down. Arctic temperatures from that time have been lowered so much that that they are now dwarfed by those of the past 20 years.}

The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever - Telegraph

OOPS

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The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.

Dr Murari Lal also said he was well aware the statement, in the 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), did not rest on peer-reviewed scientific research.

In an interview with The Mail on Sunday, Dr Lal, the co-ordinating lead author of the report’s chapter on Asia, said: ‘It related to several countries in this region and their water sources. We thought that if we can highlight it, it will impact policy-makers and politicians and encourage them to take some concrete action.

‘It had importance for the region, so we thought we should put it in.}

conservative21.net More Global Warming Fraud The Himalayan Glaciers Myth

OOPS

Hey, you HAVE to lie for your religion - is sure the fuck won't hold water on it's own...

 

[Freewill]

I read the books back then and they DID not state that warming was coming. That was a foreign concept at the time. BUT if they did then their predictions obviously went wrong as i have provided the links you can see for yourself.

And I read "Chariots of the Gods", but I'm not claiming scientists said aliens had visited earth.

Again, you are confusing media with science, not to mention engaging in a brazen cherrypicking fallacy. The predictions of the actual science were very good.

I am going to agree with you, the hype was media driven, mostly. Back then we really only had the media as an information source. Since the media drives the story today it seems only logically to admit they drove it then.

Popular Technology.net 1970s Global Cooling Alarmism

 

[Uncensored2008]

And I read "Chariots of the Gods", but I'm not claiming scientists said aliens had visited earth.

Again, you are confusing media with science, not to mention engaging in a brazen cherrypicking fallacy. The predictions of the actual science were very good.

There's more scientific evidence supporting it than anything Hansen ever fabricated.

You know, I'll bet that is exactly your past, you were some space alien idiot who latched on the AGW cult, thinking it would give you legitimacy....

 

[Freewill]

Here are a few of the Hansen predictions:

Hansen/s 1988 prediction was very good. That's why deniers so often lie about it. Commit fraud, that is. Deniers deliberately use the wrong emission scenario.

What do we learn from James Hansen s 1988 prediction

What does it say about you, that your denier cult committed fraud, and that you were so eager to fall for the fraud? You should be embarrassed, and also angry at your cult leaders for feeding you such a deception and then leaving you hanging. If you have any integrity, you'll renounce them and call them out. If you don't, you'll get angry at the messenger now.

Back in the real world, all the models have been very good. It's just one reason why the science has such credibility. Deniers have created a whole cottage industry around fraudulently representing the models.

An yet not a drop of statistics or facts just your normal diatribe stating you are right and everyone else is wrong.

 

[mamooth]

One of the first examples of these “adjustments” was exposed in 2007 by the statistician Steve McIntyre,

McIntyre is a clown and confirmed fraudster, and all the normal people just laugh at him and his acolytes.

Deniers are literally just conspiracy cultists now, exactly like the birthers and 9/11 truthers. Birthers also say they have good evidence, and link to it, and declare there's a conspiracy to suppress the evidence.

 

[Uncensored2008]

McIntyre is a clown and confirmed fraudster, and all the normal people just laugh at him and his acolytes.

Says the moron spouting Hansen... :huh:

Deniers are literally just conspiracy cultists now, exactly like the birthers and 9/11 truthers. Birthers also say they have good evidence, and link to it, and declare there's a conspiracy to suppress the evidence.

Yes, infidels who fail to bow to your true religion.

So do you still believe in the ancient astronauts, or is AGW your only flaky belief now? Come on now, you are with Shirley McClain in demanding that they are up their taking care of us, admit it...

 

[mamooth]

An yet not a drop of statistics or facts just your normal diatribe stating you are right and everyone else is wrong.

Missed the link, did we? Here, I'll give it to you again.

What do we learn from James Hansen s 1988 prediction

And as far as the actual science goes, instead of the media, an overview of all the papers of the 1970s shows most of them predicting warming.

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[Stephanie]

Warmers need to save the planet and commit harakiri

I think they should start and lead by example. off themselves to take some of the "humans" causing all their wails and concerns off Mother earth. give her a break you know.