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[Winston]

Remote workers are less productive than on sight workers, a proven fact. That is why private for-profit companies are forcing employees back tom the office.

No, the proven fact is that remote workers are MORE productive.

Research from Owl Labs found that remote and hybrid employees were 22% happier than workers in an onsite office environment and stayed in their jobs longer. Plus, remote workers had less stress, more focus and were more productive than when they toiled in the office. Working from home led to better work/life balance and was more beneficial for the physical and mental well-being of employees.

3 New Studies End Debate Over Effectiveness Of Hybrid And Remote Work

Three new studies highlight that workers in remote office environments are experiencing benefits to their physical and mental health.

www.forbes.com

Honestly, I am not seeing a downside to remote workers. Decreases turnover, improves employee happiness, decreases the cost to the employer, I mean having them come to work is a cost. Office space, the toilet paper in the bathroom, the water fountain. If possible, it is a no-brainer.

Could I do it? Hell no, I make pie, that means I actually create something, I make something. I actually "work", and I do it with my hands. Gorilla hands is what my sons always said. But I will not begrudge anyone that works from home, I don't blame them.

 

[Winston]

The point is that there is so much goofing off that if they have to come into work and put in a full 40 hours (that they’re being paid for), we could consolidate positions and reduce the workforce by at least 25%.

I have posted studies that clearly indicate remote workers are happier, stay at their job longer, and are more productive. This isn't about productivity, it isn't even about costs, it is about control.

And that is just it. Obviously, you are not familiar with remote workers. One of my sons works remotely, so does my brother in law. They are monitored, heavily, from required Team meetings to sophisticated software that monitors their computer activity. Can they work in their underwear, sure, no problem. Can they spend all day watching Tik Tok videos and accomplishing nothing, hell no.

I mean my son, the one that works remotely, he bought this box, or safe, or container, whatever you want to call it. It has a timer, you put something in it you can't get it out until the timer is up. He puts in it that "box" when he starts work, sets the timer for eight hours. Do on-site workers do that? Hell no.

 

[Seymour Flops]

No, the proven fact is that remote workers are MORE productive.

Research from Owl Labs found that remote and hybrid employees were 22% happier than workers in an onsite office environment and stayed in their jobs longer. Plus, remote workers had less stress, more focus and were more productive than when they toiled in the office. Working from home led to better work/life balance and was more beneficial for the physical and mental well-being of employees.

3 New Studies End Debate Over Effectiveness Of Hybrid And Remote Work

Three new studies highlight that workers in remote office environments are experiencing benefits to their physical and mental health.

www.forbes.com

Honestly, I am not seeing a downside to remote workers. Decreases turnover, improves employee happiness, decreases the cost to the employer, I mean having them come to work is a cost. Office space, the toilet paper in the bathroom, the water fountain. If possible, it is a no-brainer.

Could I do it? Hell no, I make pie, that means I actually create something, I make something. I actually "work", and I do it with my hands. Gorilla hands is what my sons always said. But I will not begrudge anyone that works from home, I don't blame them.

What kind of company is "Owl Labs?"

Any idea what kind of product they make with their own gorrilla hands?

 

[80zephyr]

What kind of company is "Owl Labs?"

Any idea what kind of product they make with their own gorrilla hands?

Owl Labs

Industry	Video conferencing devices

 

[Seymour Flops]

I have posted studies that clearly indicate remote workers are happier, stay at their job longer, and are more productive.

That may well be true, in the private sector. My son is a project manager for a software development firm and he works at home, communicating with developers in North America, Europe and Asia.

I'm sure many other private sectors are very productive.

But that is not the federal government. The Federal govt has no profit motive to motivate its managers to make sure their employees stay productive, even when sitting by the pool at their condo.

Not that there isn't plenty of goofing off at a brick and morter federal workplace. Peer pressure is to work as slowly as possible, so your co-workers can complain about being overworked when their inboxes overflow.

But, at least they are not playing the taxpayers for complete fools by not even showing up.

 

[flewism]

I have posted studies that clearly indicate remote workers are happier, stay at their job longer, and are more productive.

False, false, false, this is America you can find any studies you want that water is not wet etc..

Remote workers actually aren't more productive. Will bosses finally call them back in this year?

New research seems to support the idea that working from home leads to less productivity. But are employers measuring remote work results by the right metrics?

www.latimes.com

Remote Work Might Not Be As Productive As Once Thought, New Studies Show

New science-backed studies show that remote work may not be as productive as previously thought, but another work mode tops out as an overall better option for employees and employers.

www.forbes.com

WFH’s staunchest proponents just dropped a bomb: Fully remote workers are less productive

Fully remote work is associated with 10% to 20% lower productivity than fully in-person work, a new paper finds.

fortune.com

The proof is that corporations want them back on sight period.

 

[Winston]

What kind of company is "Owl Labs?"

Any idea what kind of product they make with their own gorrilla hands?

They don't make anything, they conduct surveys. That is just one company, the linked article listed three surveys. Look, you don't have to make anything, you just need to be productive, contribute to society. I have six kids, one is disabled, but the other five have great jobs, a couple own their own business, another is a research scientist. None of them make jackshit, but they contribute to society.

 

[Winston]

That may well be true, in the private sector. My son is a project manager for a software development firm and he works at home, communicating with developers in North America, Europe and Asia.

I'm sure many other private sectors are very productive.

But that is not the federal government. The Federal govt has no profit motive to motivate its managers to make sure their employees stay productive, even when sitting by the pool at their condo.

Not that there isn't plenty of goofing off at a brick and morter federal workplace. Peer pressure is to work as slowly as possible, so your co-workers can complain about being overworked when their inboxes overflow.

But, at least they are not playing the taxpayers for complete fools by not even showing up.

Ironically, that is my oldest son's job title, Project manager. And last year his company adopted a vacation policy, a personal time off policy. Unlimited. Yep, if you want to take 51 weeks of paid vacation every year and you can still do your job, no problem.

 

[Lisa558]

No, the proven fact is that remote workers are MORE productive.

Research from Owl Labs found that remote and hybrid employees were 22% happier than workers in an onsite office environment and stayed in their jobs longer. Plus, remote workers had less stress, more focus and were more productive than when they toiled in the office. Working from home led to better work/life balance and was more beneficial for the physical and mental well-being of employees.

3 New Studies End Debate Over Effectiveness Of Hybrid And Remote Work

Three new studies highlight that workers in remote office environments are experiencing benefits to their physical and mental health.

www.forbes.com

Honestly, I am not seeing a downside to remote workers. Decreases turnover, improves employee happiness, decreases the cost to the employer, I mean having them come to work is a cost. Office space, the toilet paper in the bathroom, the water fountain. If possible, it is a no-brainer.

Could I do it? Hell no, I make pie, that means I actually create something, I make something. I actually "work", and I do it with my hands. Gorilla hands is what my sons always said. But I will not begrudge anyone that works from home, I don't blame them.

You told me that although you have an MBA, you intentionally refused to work a full-time job so your six children would qualify for welfare. You really have no standing to defend federal slackers.

 

[Seymour Flops]

They don't make anything, they conduct surveys. That is just one company, the linked article listed three surveys. Look, you don't have to make anything, you just need to be productive, contribute to society. I have six kids, one is disabled, but the other five have great jobs, a couple own their own business, another is a research scientist. None of them make jackshit, but they contribute to society.

Good God, Winston!

Did you even look at the website for "Owl Labs?"

State of Hybrid Work 2023 | US Report

Explore the State of Hybrid Work report by Owl Labs, offering insights into US workplace trends: in-office, remote, and hybrid, 2023 & beyond.

owllabs.com

Did you think my point was that they produce nothing?

No, it's that of course they are going to cite studies that show remote work is awesome. They seel products for remote work.

Research your sources beyond whether they agree with your preconceived ideas.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Ironically, that is my oldest son's job title, Project manager. And last year his company adopted a vacation policy, a personal time off policy. Unlimited. Yep, if you want to take 51 weeks of paid vacation every year and you can still do your job, no problem.

Because our sons are hard working, educated, and motivated.

That does not describe the typical federal worker.

 

[80zephyr]

They don't make anything, they conduct surveys.

According to what I've found they make Video conferencing devices. Betcha business is better if everyone works from home.

 

[toobfreak]

By the time I made, ate, and cleared dinner, it was 8 pm - enough time to relax for two hours in front of the TV before doing it all over the next day. Such is life.

Ain't it the truth. I remember very well having that 2 hour window of "free time" just to relax and do nothing before needing to go to bed to get up the next day! The real kicker for me was that we were on 50 hour work weeks working 6 days a week in rotating shifts, so after working 6 days on daylight, you got 1.2 days off then had to report at 3PM and work till bedtime. I kind of liked that shift.

Then another 1.2 days off after those 6 days only to report at 11PM and working through till 7AM. That one really sucked. The only good thing was that after three weeks of that you finally got 2.5 days off until you rotated back to working daylight again and we thought we were in heaven, but boy, does that working rotating shifts really tear the guts out of you.

 

[Winston]

You told me that although you have an MBA, you intentionally refused to work a full-time job so your six children would qualify for welfare. You really have no standing to defend federal slackers.

And there you go, so predictable, worried about what other people are doing, like it is any of your business. What slackers? Do they get the job done? I mean that is all that matters.

I mean you don't get it. You disagree with how I conducted my life, I don't give a shit. And you fail to see the results. I have six kids. My most important responsibility, raise those kids. Eventually, well I am going to die. Death and taxes, the only two certainties we have.

I mean you really are self absorbed. What have you contributed to this world? From what I can see, not jackshit. Me, well it boggles the damn mind. You are clueless. Just one, one of six, of my kids pay more in federal income taxes in one year than the amount of government assistance I received in a lifetime. What have you done?

 

[Lisa558]

Ain't it the truth. I remember very well having that 2 hour window of "free time" just to relax and do nothing before needing to go to bed to get up the next day! The real kicker for me was that we were on 50 hour work weeks working 6 days a week in rotating shifts, so after working 6 days on daylight, you got 1.2 days off then had to report at 3PM and work till bedtime. I kind of liked that shift.

Then another 1.2 days off after those 6 days only to report at 11PM and working through till 7AM. That one really sucked. The only good thing was that after three weeks of that you finally got 2.5 days off until you rotated back to working daylight again and we thought we were in heaven, but boy, does that working rotating shifts really tear the guts out of you.

Remember the feeling on Wednesday afternoon before Thanksgiving, with an entire 4 days ahead of freedom from the daily commute? My favorite time of year!

Government workers are in for a shock. No more mid-day tennis lessons, matinee movies, 10 a.m. gym classes, and 9-hole round of golf. No more going to Stowe for a 4-day ski trip and logging in for a couple of hours a day so you don’t have to declare annual leave.

 

[Winston]

Remember the feeling on Wednesday afternoon before Thanksgiving, with an entire 4 days ahead of freedom from the daily commute? My favorite time of year!

Government workers are in for a shock. No more mid-day tennis lessons, matinee movies, 10 a.m. gym classes, and 9-hole round of golf. No more going to Stowe for a 4-day ski trip and logging in for a couple of hours a day so you don’t have to declare annual leave.

Damn, just really, how sad is your life? Worried so much about other people.

 

[toobfreak]

Remember the feeling on Wednesday afternoon before Thanksgiving, with an entire 4 days ahead of freedom from the daily commute? My favorite time of year!

Actually no. In this particular job I refer to, it was very serious stuff, it never shut down but once a year, and it was pretty common to be working holidays. I spent many a Christmas putting in a full shift. And that annual shutdown, you still worked, even harder.

Government workers are in for a shock. No more mid-day tennis lessons, matinee movies, 10 a.m. gym classes, and 9-hole round of golf. No more going to Stowe for a 4-day ski trip and logging in for a couple of hours a day so you don’t have to declare annual leave.

I hope so. Let them taste blood and sweat. And fear of getting fired. The problem with government is that there is no competition, so no standard needing met.
It is all one big gravy boat. That is until about 60 more days from now when the gravy boat develops a crack in it.

 

[Lisa558]

Actually no. In this particular job I refer to, it was very serious stuff, it never shut down but once a year, and it was pretty common to be working holidays. I spent many a Christmas putting in a full shift. And that annual shutdown, you still worked, even harder.

You in the medical field?

I hope so. Let them taste blood and sweat. And fear of getting fired. The problem with government is that there is no competition, so no standard needing met.
It is all one big gravy boat. That is until about 60 more days from now when the gravy boat develops a crack in it.

They’ve never known reality. No fear of inflation because they are guaranteed COL increases. No fear of layoffs because the government never had to worry about profit. Just an amazing sense of entitlement, which in recent years has extended to working half a day for a full-day’s pay - and still complaining.

 

[toobfreak]

You in the medical field?

I am retired now many years.

They’ve never known reality. No fear of inflation because they are guaranteed COL increases. No fear of layoffs because the government never had to worry about profit. Just an amazing sense of entitlement, which in recent years has extended to working half a day for a full-day’s pay - and still complaining.

Yep. Actually, the government does occasionally shut down, but even then it comes with benefits and of course, you risk or lose nothing, you get every penny of back pay.

 

[Lisa558]

I am retired now many years.

Guess you don’t want to tell me what your work was, but that’s fine. I’ve been retired for many years as well.

Yep. Actually, the government does occasionally shut down, but even then it comes with benefits and of course, you risk or lose nothing, you get every penny of back pay.

My government friends always LOVED the shutdowns and hoped they would last as long as possible. They knew they’d be paid eventually, and it was just another paid vacation for them.