Coming Attractions for the Obamacare Disaster Film

[ClosedCaption]

Heres the rub: You can hate Obamacare all you want. In fact you dont have to do anything BUT hate Obamacare but that doesnt change the fact that if this law was SOOO fucked what does it say that the republicans cant offer an alternative?

Essentially you are saying that Obama served everyone dog shit and the GOP cant think of a meal better than dog shit AND you want everyone to believe it

there have been plenty of different alternatives and solutions to the various problems offered up by different Republicans.....it's just not one plan all packaged up pretty with a bow tied on top....in a 2000+ page document that nobody can read....

Sure sure...Where they at tho?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Heres the rub: You can hate Obamacare all you want. In fact you dont have to do anything BUT hate Obamacare but that doesnt change the fact that if this law was SOOO fucked what does it say that the republicans cant offer an alternative?

Essentially you are saying that Obama served everyone dog shit and the GOP cant think of a meal better than dog shit AND you want everyone to believe it

there have been plenty of different alternatives and solutions to the various problems offered up by different Republicans.....it's just not one plan all packaged up pretty with a bow tied on top....in a 2000+ page document that nobody can read....

Sure sure...Where they at tho?

ask old Harry...

 

[gallantwarrior]

Lets try this again. The horror stories of Obamacare are compiled here:

1. Annnd go

you don't believe the polls....?
you think people just hate Obamacare for the hell of it...?
ok.....here's a few typical individual stories....

1) Man with leukemia loses his health insurance: Michael Cerpok is a high school drop-out, one of six kids born to a school teacher, and doesn't come from a wealthy family. He has run two businesses for more than 25 years and says he may have to do more to literally stay alive.

"I've worked hard because I've had to, and I've had to, because cancer runs in my family, says Cerpok, who picked his current health insurance based on that family history. His monthly premium is just about half of his monthly take-home pay.

Back in 2006, he found out he had an incurable form of leukemia that requires ongoing treatment until he dies.

In 2012, his treatment bill was more than $350,000. But because of his insurance, his out-of-pocket was only $4,500.

That is about to change because Michael just got a letter from his insurance carrier saying as of January 1, he would be dropped from coverage because of new regulations under Obamacare. His doctor at the Mayo Clinic may be gone as well.

"Now it doesn't mean I can't go see my current doctor, but my $4,500 out-of-pocket, is going to turn into a minimum of $26,000 out-of-pocket to see the doctor that I've been seeing the last seven years," he said.

3) Premiums will cost 25% of their after tax income:: Take, for example, Jacqueline Proctor of San Francisco. She and her husband are in their early 60s. They have been paying $7,200 a year for a bare-bones Kaiser Permanente health plan with a $5,000 per person annual deductible. "Kaiser told us the plan does not comply with Obamacare and the substitute will cost more than twice as much," about $15,000 per year, she says.

This new plan, Kaiser's cheapest offering for 2014, would consume about 25 percent of their after-tax income. The new plan still has a $5,000 deductible but provides coverage for things her current policy does not, such as maternity care, healthy child visits and coverage for dependents up to age 26. Proctor has no use for such coverage, since her son is 30.

5) Obamacare "has raped my future" My name is Ashley Dionne and I'm a 26-year-old recent graduate from Michigan.

...I went back to school and got a second degree and finally found work at a gym. I work nights and only get 32 hours a week for eight dollars an hour. I'm unable to find a second job at this time.

I have asthma, ulcers, and mild cerebral palsy. Obamacare takes my monthly rate from $75 a month for full coverage on my "Young Adult Plan," to $319 a month. After $6,000 in deductibles, of course.

Liberals claimed this law would help the poor. I am the poor, the working poor, and I can't afford to support myself, let alone older generations and people not willing to work at all. This law has raped my future.

It will keep me and kids my age from having a future at all.

This is the real face of Obamacare and it isn't pretty.

5 Scandalous Obamacare Horror Stories - John Hawkins - Page full

And, if you pay attention, any citations you might post would not be from his preferred media outlets and would therefore be proclaimed as invalid without his even having read any of their articles. For idiots blinded by their ideology, posting links is a waste of time.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Story number 1 just shows that his doctor wont be in the network. So he can see another doctor for less money or pay $26,000 to see the same guy. Guess which one hes going to choose since he now has a choice?

of course.....only the RICH who can pay get to keep their doctors....
i thought Dimwits were for the poor people....

this guy is losing his top-of-the-line Mayo doctor and network which he used to be able to pay....and probably has to settle for a lesser quality treatment who knows where....if he can even get one that's cheaper...

this is helping the people HOW...?

But he can find another doctor and not go bankrupt...I know that sucks.

There is not one thing in your article that says anything about lesser quality not even from the guy himself. So once again you are providing links and then lying about the information because Obamacare is so bad you have to lie about it again...and again

He had been going to the Mayo Clinic. Any other doctor is pretty much GUARANTEED to be inferior.

 

[natstew]

Top Ten ObamaCare Horror Stories the Media Is Covering Up

 

[natstew]

Here's some more:
5 Scandalous Obamacare Horror Stories - John Hawkins - Page full

 

[ClosedCaption]

And, if you pay attention, any citations you might post would not be from his preferred media outlets and would therefore be proclaimed as invalid without his even having read any of their articles. For idiots blinded by their ideology, posting links is a waste of time.

And if you pay attention that didnt happen

 

[natstew]

Real people with real problems refute Reid's claim ObamaCare 'horror stories' untrue | Fox News

 

[ClosedCaption]

of course.....only the RICH who can pay get to keep their doctors....
i thought Dimwits were for the poor people....

this guy is losing his top-of-the-line Mayo doctor and network which he used to be able to pay....and probably has to settle for a lesser quality treatment who knows where....if he can even get one that's cheaper...

this is helping the people HOW...?

But he can find another doctor and not go bankrupt...I know that sucks.

There is not one thing in your article that says anything about lesser quality not even from the guy himself. So once again you are providing links and then lying about the information because Obamacare is so bad you have to lie about it again...and again

He had been going to the Mayo Clinic. Any other doctor is pretty much GUARANTEED to be inferior.

And hotter...

I mean since we are just inserting shit into the story.

And any other doctor will have colder hands

 

[bripat9643]

More horrors? You mean on top of the horror which were told by paid actors reading a fictional script?

what exactly is 'fictional' about the horrors of Obamacare....?

horrors that have already happened....
...losing your coverage
...losing your doctor
...losing your hospital group
...paying through the nose
...getting less coverage even though you're paying through the nose....

If it happened couldnt they find yanno...real people with...real problems?

...Got coverage back
...Doctor should join network
...Getting another hospital group
...paying less with more enrolled (you had no problem with people being bankrupted before from health insurance but we really believe you care now...really)
...huh

Wasn't Obamacare supposed to prevent bankruptcies? Oh . . . that was just a bullshit talking point, not reality.

Your "solutions" are not solutions. Doctors won't join the "network" because they can't make money on the mandated rates. The other hospital group doesn't have the premium cancer hospitals in it.

Your post is nothing but pure horseshit, but what else is new?

 

[bripat9643]

But he can find another doctor and not go bankrupt...I know that sucks.

There is not one thing in your article that says anything about lesser quality not even from the guy himself. So once again you are providing links and then lying about the information because Obamacare is so bad you have to lie about it again...and again

He had been going to the Mayo Clinic. Any other doctor is pretty much GUARANTEED to be inferior.

And hotter...

I mean since we are just inserting shit into the story.

And any other doctor will have colder hands

The question ClosedCaption continually fails to answer is why anyone would prefer the Obamacare fiasco to what they had before. What's better about it? The answer is "nothing." It's all worse.

 

[The Rabbi]

He had been going to the Mayo Clinic. Any other doctor is pretty much GUARANTEED to be inferior.

And hotter...

I mean since we are just inserting shit into the story.

And any other doctor will have colder hands

The question ClosedCaption continually fails to answer is why anyone would prefer the Obamacare fiasco to what they had before. What's better about it? The answer is "nothing." It's all worse.

But under the old system we had 46M Americans uninsured!!

 

[bripat9643]

But he can find another doctor and not go bankrupt...I know that sucks.

There is not one thing in your article that says anything about lesser quality not even from the guy himself. So once again you are providing links and then lying about the information because Obamacare is so bad you have to lie about it again...and again

He had been going to the Mayo Clinic. Any other doctor is pretty much GUARANTEED to be inferior.

And hotter...

I mean since we are just inserting shit into the story.

And any other doctor will have colder hands

You're an idiot. The Mayo clinic has the best doctors in the country.

 

[Jarlaxle]

But he can find another doctor and not go bankrupt...I know that sucks.

There is not one thing in your article that says anything about lesser quality not even from the guy himself. So once again you are providing links and then lying about the information because Obamacare is so bad you have to lie about it again...and again

He had been going to the Mayo Clinic. Any other doctor is pretty much GUARANTEED to be inferior.

And hotter...

I mean since we are just inserting shit into the story.

And any other doctor will have colder hands

Do you claim, then, that the Mayo Clinic is NOT one of the best cancer-treatment centers in the world? Are your lips attached that tightly to Obama's anus?

 

[Jarlaxle]

He had been going to the Mayo Clinic. Any other doctor is pretty much GUARANTEED to be inferior.

And hotter...

I mean since we are just inserting shit into the story.

And any other doctor will have colder hands

You're an idiot. The Mayo clinic has the best doctors in the country.

Not sure I'd go THAT far...but they're in the top three!

 

[deltex1]

Story number 1 just shows that his doctor wont be in the network. So he can see another doctor for less money or pay $26,000 to see the same guy. Guess which one hes going to choose since he now has a choice?

Closed mind asks question...gets answer....whines.

 

[ClosedCaption]

what exactly is 'fictional' about the horrors of Obamacare....?

horrors that have already happened....
...losing your coverage
...losing your doctor
...losing your hospital group
...paying through the nose
...getting less coverage even though you're paying through the nose....

If it happened couldnt they find yanno...real people with...real problems?

...Got coverage back
...Doctor should join network
...Getting another hospital group
...paying less with more enrolled (you had no problem with people being bankrupted before from health insurance but we really believe you care now...really)
...huh

Wasn't Obamacare supposed to prevent bankruptcies? Oh . . . that was just a bullshit talking point, not reality.

One made up by you. The answer to that question is no. Its a healthcare bill not a guaranteed to not go bankrupt bill

Your "solutions" are not solutions. Doctors won't join the "network" because they can't make money on the mandated rates. The other hospital group doesn't have the premium cancer hospitals in it.

Your post is nothing but pure horseshit, but what else is new?

Solutions are not solutions...Compelling retort. Plenty of doctors have joined...soooo....I guess they joined as volunteers right

 

[ClosedCaption]

He had been going to the Mayo Clinic. Any other doctor is pretty much GUARANTEED to be inferior.

And hotter...

I mean since we are just inserting shit into the story.

And any other doctor will have colder hands

The question ClosedCaption continually fails to answer is why anyone would prefer the Obamacare fiasco to what they had before. What's better about it? The answer is "nothing." It's all worse.

Slowed the level of increase in healthcare cost in 50 years. Under the old plan it would've went up way more which in your eyes...better.

 

[ClosedCaption]

He had been going to the Mayo Clinic. Any other doctor is pretty much GUARANTEED to be inferior.

And hotter...

I mean since we are just inserting shit into the story.

And any other doctor will have colder hands

You're an idiot. The Mayo clinic has the best doctors in the country.

True but that doesnt mean that this guy Dr was one of them and the next one he gets will automatically be worse fuck face

 

[ScreamingEagle]

And hotter...

I mean since we are just inserting shit into the story.

And any other doctor will have colder hands

The question ClosedCaption continually fails to answer is why anyone would prefer the Obamacare fiasco to what they had before. What's better about it? The answer is "nothing." It's all worse.

Slowed the level of increase in healthcare cost in 50 years. Under the old plan it would've went up way more which in your eyes...better.

it's the economy Stupid....

not to mention lost jobs and healthcare plans and those high deductibles...

In a comprehensive study on this phenomenon, the Kaiser Family Foundation used statistical analysis to examine 50 years of health spending and economic trends. The study found that the economy produces a major but delayed effect on the nation’s health spending, and attributes 77 percent of the slowdown due to poor economic conditions. In other words, the economy is not a factor, but the factor.

The CMS report itself underscored that the slower-than-average annual growth in health care spending was attributable to a weak economy. “The relative stability since 2009 primarily reflects the lagged impacts of the recent severe economic recession,” the report explained. Because millions of individuals lost their employer-provided health insurance or could not afford to keep their health coverage, “there was a slow recovery from private health insurance enrollment losses that occurred in 2008-2010” the analysts concluded.

Obamacare Hasn?t Slowed The Growth of Health Care Costs - It?s The Economy, Stupid!