Communist paradise that is Cuba 🇨🇺

[Toddsterpatriot]

Refute my response to your "DURR" that socialism is responsible and not the economic terrorism of the US. When your little country is 90 miles away from the capitalist empire, and its capitalist ruling class wants to destroy you, you're up the creek unless you have another superpower that is friendly to socialism protecting you. You have no argument against socialism when you're actively sabotaging a developing country's economy through brutal sanctions and threats of war. DURRRRRR.

The socialist paradise is free to trade with every other nation on Earth, especially the other socialist ones.

That doesn't seem to be working very well. I mean not for the average person. The commie bigwigs still do very well.

If you can't survive as a socialist shithole next to the capitalist empire, maybe you should surrender?

Become capitalist. We love trading with other capitalists. Look at all the trade we have with former foes around the world.

Do it for your impoverished citizens. Unless you care more about power than people?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Again, you're trying hard to blame socialism, while ignoring the embargo. Durrrr.

The embargo should make you stronger.

Why should your socialist heroes dirty themselves by trading with capitalists using capitalist banks and capitalist ships?

Build your own strong fleet of Cuban cargo ships and use those to rebuild the commie paradise of the 60s.

Just be sure your Cuban crews don't use your Cuban ships to go live somewhere better.

Maybe chain them up when they get to port? It would be sad if your ships left and never returned. LOL!

 

[Soupnazi630]

Refute my response to your "DURR" that socialism is responsible and not the economic terrorism of the US. When your little country is 90 miles away from the capitalist empire, and its capitalist ruling class wants to destroy you, you're up the creek unless you have another superpower that is friendly to socialism protecting you. You have no argument against socialism when you're actively sabotaging a developing country's economy through brutal sanctions and threats of war. DURRRRRR.

Your response was simply false and HAS been massively refuted.

Socialism is responsible.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Again, you're trying hard to blame socialism, while ignoring the embargo. Durrrr.

the embargo did not stop it the inherent lies rooted in socialism failed

 

[TruthNotBS]

Wrong oh ignorant one

Endless numbers make money due to private property and do so without employing anyone.

Under capitalism it is not forced you moron it is consensual and voliuntary by chhoice of both the employee and employer. Yes many want to be employed which means exploited and all have many opptions and choise in life over where to work and how

You have NO choices under socialism. There is no starvation under capitalism but it is massive under socialism

In the future it wull become clear that government cannot run jack shit efficiently and it will never be adocted

Socalism OWNS the means of production and the labor force working it. That is slavery

Wrong oh ignorant one

I'm right, you're wrong.

Endless numbers make money due to private property and do so without employing anyone.

Explain how your personal property like your home or anything else, including private assets amount to anything without wages and markets. Go ahead genius.

Under capitalism it is not forced you moron it is consensual and voliuntary by chhoice of both the employee and employer.

You can personally "consider" the employer-employee relationship as a voluntary one if it toots your horn but the reality is that the only reason people allow themselves to be commodified as part of the means of production for another person (i.e. the employer/exploiter), and they tolerate spending most of their waking hours working in a totalitarian workplace, is because if they don't they starve to death living under a bridge. Unemployment under capitalism, without some sort of public, government assistance (essentially socialism), leads to death. That's not much of a choice. You're obviously an ignorant fool who doesn't know how our capitalist economy is run.

Yes many want to be employed which means exploited and all have many opptions and choise in life over where to work and how

You're delusional. The vast majority of workers have no options other than to wake up in the morning and go to work for a capitalist, in a completely authoritarian regime. You're living in Lalaland.

You have NO choices under socialism. There is no starvation under capitalism but it is massive under socialism

Every adult able-bodied in a socialist system has to work. Even the Bible says that those who can work and don't, shouldn't eat:

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"For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat." – 2 Thessalonians 3:10

"But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." – 1 Timothy 5:8

"Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise: Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler, Provideth her meat in the summer, and gathereth her food in the harvest. How long wilt thou sleep, O sluggard? when wilt thou arise out of thy sleep? Yet a little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to sleep: So shall thy poverty come as one that travelleth, and thy want as an armed man." – Proverbs 6:6-11

"Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." – Ecclesiastes 9:10

Socialist systems prioritize the distribution of food and resources to meet the basic needs of every citizen. Capitalist nations, including the United States, have millions living in food insecurity. The UN consistently finds that countries with strong socialist policies have lower rates of hunger and malnutrition because they view access to food, healthcare, and housing as rights, not privileges. The data is clear: nations that embrace socialism or mixed economies grounded in socialist principles are the ones that provide the best quality of life for their citizens. These systems prioritize human welfare over profit and have repeatedly shown better outcomes in terms of healthcare, education, housing, and food security than neoliberal, capitalist models.

The poorest nations on Earth, including Haiti, the Democratic Republic of Congo, and Niger, operate within capitalist frameworks, heavily influenced by neoliberal policies from Western powers and financial institutions like the IMF and World Bank. These countries lack the strong social safety nets and state support systems seen in mixed socialist economies. Instead, they suffer from extreme poverty, food insecurity, and limited access to healthcare, which are direct results of a system that prioritizes profit over public welfare. World Bank and UN data make it clear: these capitalist economies are plagued by hunger, housing instability, and inequality.

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The root cause of this poverty lies in capitalism not socialism, a system that demands deregulation, privatization, and free markets at the expense of people’s needs. Capitalism's central focus is profit for the few, at the expense of the many, resulting in economic instability, poverty, and limited access to healthcare, food, and housing. In contrast, countries with socialist systems or strong social safety nets show markedly better outcomes.

Many of the world’s wealthiest and most developed countries operate mixed economies that successfully integrate socialist principles.

As for the argument that socialism removes choice, it’s misleading. In a socialist system, productive assets and infastructural resources are owned collectively and managed by the state, allowing for equitable access to necessities such as healthcare, education, and housing. This doesn’t restrict choice; it ensures that choice exists for everyone, not just those who can afford it. In capitalist systems, the so-called "choice" often means choosing which essential needs to prioritize, while the wealthy have unrestricted access to all options. Real choice is only meaningful when everyone has a fair starting point.

Many of the same people who decry “socialism” when it applies to universal healthcare or public education will praise these very systems in wealthy nations abroad, saying these countries represent "advanced capitalist democracies." But healthcare, education, and child welfare programs are socialist principles in action. The same people who rail against government intervention are perfectly content with corporate bailouts and subsidies, yet they resist funding programs that directly benefit citizens. When it comes to education, healthcare, and housing, these critics shout “socialism!” but ignore that their preferred “capitalist” nations embrace these very policies as essential to public welfare.

In the future it wull become clear that government cannot run jack shit efficiently and it will never be adocted

The working class in collaboration with their government will run and manage mass production. Today capitalists are pleading with the government behind the scenes, for a UBI bailout:

Or full government employment:


​

They want the government to step in and save capitalism from modern automation and artificial intelligence. The solution is simple, National Socialism. It saved Germany in the 1930s, from the disaster of Weihmar Republic Capitalism, and it will save the day again, in the age of full-automation and artificial intelligence. National Socialism made Germany into the most productive, modern nation on Earth, with the highest standard of living for all of its citizens. It will do it again in the future, when automation replaces the need for human labor. It will structure the economy and society in such away that no one will be without a job or living in poverty.

Socalism OWNS the means of production and the labor force working it. That is slavery

You just admitted that capitalism is slavery because it actually does place the means of production, including human labor in the hands of greedy, profit-pursuing capitalists who only care about themselves. That's slavery and Adam Smith the father of capitalism admits that by identifying capitalist employers as "masters":

"What are the common wages of labor, depends everywhere upon the contract usually made between those two parties, whose interests are by no means the same. The workmen desire to get as much, the masters to give as little as possible. The former are disposed to combine (To form labor unions) in order to raise, the latter in order to lower the wages of labor.


It is not, however, difficult to foresee which of the two parties must, upon all ordinary occasions, have the advantage in the dispute, and force the other into a compliance with their terms. The masters, being fewer in number, can combine (In the form of chambers of commerce, industry-specific associations, and guilds, super-PACs, non-profit front organizations/NGOs, armies of lobbyists bribing politicians in the halls of government, think tanks staffed by Ivy league analysts and scholars who write the papers and legislation that they hand to the lobbyists, to give to their cronies in the US Congress) much more easily; and the law, besides, authorises, or at least does not prohibit their combinations, while it prohibits those of the workmen.

We have no acts of parliament against combining to lower the price of work; but many against combining to raise it. In all such disputes the masters can hold out much longer. A landlord, a farmer, a master manufacturer, or merchant, though they did not employ a single workman, could generally live a year or two upon the stocks which they have already acquired. Many workmen could not subsist a week, few could subsist a month, and scarce any a year without employment. In the long-run the workman may be as necessary to his master as his master is to him, but the necessity is not so immediate.

We rarely hear, it has been said, of the combinations of masters, though frequently of those of workmen. But whoever imagines, upon this account, that masters rarely combine, is as ignorant of the world as of the subject. Masters are always and every where in a sort of tacit, but constant and uniform combination, not to raise the wages of labour above their actual rate. To violate this combination is every where a most unpopular action, and a sort of reproach to a master among his neighbours and equals." (Wealth Of Nations - Book I, Chapter VIII)

In National Socialism, capitalism serves the country and its people. The workers own at least half of the business enterprise, by law, and when technology eliminates the need for human labor, the government mandates humans still work and it manages production in collaboration with human labor or the working class. It's a partnership between government and the people who work the mines, factories..etc. In National Socialism, work is part of human life, even if technology is able to do everything without a human laborer. Human supervision of the system is still required and the government makes sure people still have a job.

Capitalism will actually make everyone poor, by handing everyone a UBI check and forcing society into techno-feudalism. National Socialism is better than feudalism. Much better.

 

[TruthNotBS]

The embargo should make you stronger.

Why should your socialist heroes dirty themselves by trading with capitalists using capitalist banks and capitalist ships?

Build your own strong fleet of Cuban cargo ships and use those to rebuild the commie paradise of the 60s.

Just be sure your Cuban crews don't use your Cuban ships to go live somewhere better.

Maybe chain them up when they get to port? It would be sad if your ships left and never returned. LOL!

You clearly don't know how economics works. Cuba isn't Russia hence it needs materials, machinery..etc, from other countries to survive and thrive, in the modern world. The US not only sabotages Cuba economically by barring it from the international banking system and shipping, it also freezes its assets, fines its business partners, and conducts naval operations to stop cargo ships from delivering it the goods it needs, like oil..etc. Venezuelan oil tankers were prohibited from providing Cuba with oil and were forcefully stopped by the US Navy, preventing them from anchoring in Cuba. These are acts of war. The US under the control of its capitalist ruling class, is engaged in a form of economic terrorism against Cuba. It's a war.

You have no argument against socialism in Cuba when you're supporting these policies. Zero, none. No argument against socialism.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You clearly don't know how economics works. Cuba isn't Russia hence it needs materials, machinery..etc, from other countries to survive and thrive, in the modern world. The US not only sabotages Cuba economically by barring it from the international banking system and shipping, it also freezes its assets, fines its business partners, and conducts naval operations to stop cargo ships from delivering it the goods it needs, like oil..etc. Venezuelan oil tankers were prohibited from providing Cuba with oil and were forcefully stopped by the US Navy, preventing them from anchoring in Cuba. These are acts of war. The US under the control of its capitalist ruling class, is engaged in a form of economic terrorism against Cuba. It's a war.

You have no argument against socialism in Cuba when you're supporting these policies. Zero, none. No argument against socialism.

Why does Cuba need access to the filthy capitalist banking system?
Real nations only need a government run bank.
Why can't Cuba trade their awesome goods directly for all the imports they need?

 

[TruthNotBS]

Why does Cuba need access to the filthy capitalist banking system?
Real nations only need a government run bank.
Why can't Cuba trade their awesome goods directly for all the imports they need?

I just explained why you fool.

 

[Soupnazi630]

I'm right, you're wrong.



Explain how your personal property like your home or anything else, including private assets amount to anything without wages and markets. Go ahead genius.



You can personally "consider" the employer-employee relationship as a voluntary one if it toots your horn but the reality is that the only reason people allow themselves to be commodified as part of the means of production for another person (i.e. the employer/exploiter), and they tolerate spending most of their waking hours working in a totalitarian workplace, is because if they don't they starve to death living under a bridge. Unemployment under capitalism, without some sort of public, government assistance (essentially socialism), leads to death. That's not much of a choice. You're obviously an ignorant fool who doesn't know how our capitalist economy is run.




You're delusional. The vast majority of workers have no options other than to wake up in the morning and go to work for a capitalist, in a completely authoritarian regime. You're living in Lalaland.



Every adult able-bodied in a socialist system has to work. Even the Bible says that those who can work and don't, shouldn't eat:

---

"For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat." – 2 Thessalonians 3:10

"But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." – 1 Timothy 5:8

"Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise: Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler, Provideth her meat in the summer, and gathereth her food in the harvest. How long wilt thou sleep, O sluggard? when wilt thou arise out of thy sleep? Yet a little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to sleep: So shall thy poverty come as one that travelleth, and thy want as an armed man." – Proverbs 6:6-11

"Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." – Ecclesiastes 9:10

Socialist systems prioritize the distribution of food and resources to meet the basic needs of every citizen. Capitalist nations, including the United States, have millions living in food insecurity. The UN consistently finds that countries with strong socialist policies have lower rates of hunger and malnutrition because they view access to food, healthcare, and housing as rights, not privileges. The data is clear: nations that embrace socialism or mixed economies grounded in socialist principles are the ones that provide the best quality of life for their citizens. These systems prioritize human welfare over profit and have repeatedly shown better outcomes in terms of healthcare, education, housing, and food security than neoliberal, capitalist models.

The poorest nations on Earth, including Haiti, the Democratic Republic of Congo, and Niger, operate within capitalist frameworks, heavily influenced by neoliberal policies from Western powers and financial institutions like the IMF and World Bank. These countries lack the strong social safety nets and state support systems seen in mixed socialist economies. Instead, they suffer from extreme poverty, food insecurity, and limited access to healthcare, which are direct results of a system that prioritizes profit over public welfare. World Bank and UN data make it clear: these capitalist economies are plagued by hunger, housing instability, and inequality.

World Bank Group
Poverty Overview: Development news, research, data | World Bank
October 14, 2024 — The World Bank Group provides the latest data and evidence on global poverty, its causes and consequences, and the policies to reduce it. Learn how COVID-19, climate change, and other challenges affect poverty and well-being in different regions and countries.

Poverty Data
Poverty & Equity Data Portal - World Bank
Explore poverty and equity data by country, indicator, and analysis for Brazil and other countries. See trends, projections, and decomposition of poverty reduction and inequality.

UNSD
SDG Indicators - UNSD
Global food supply systems have been partially undermined by a cascading combination of growing conflicts, climate-related shocks and widening inequalities. As a result, as many as 828 million people may have suffered from hunger in 2021. The outbreak of war in Ukraine poses an additional threat to food insecurity, with the potential to provoke ...

World Health Organization (WHO)
Hunger numbers stubbornly high for three consecutive years as global ...
July 23, 2024 — 1 in 11 people worldwide faced hunger in 2023, 1 in 5 in Africa. Around 733 million people faced hunger in 2023, equivalent to one in

The root cause of this poverty lies in capitalism not socialism, a system that demands deregulation, privatization, and free markets at the expense of people’s needs. Capitalism's central focus is profit for the few, at the expense of the many, resulting in economic instability, poverty, and limited access to healthcare, food, and housing. In contrast, countries with socialist systems or strong social safety nets show markedly better outcomes.

Many of the world’s wealthiest and most developed countries operate mixed economies that successfully integrate socialist principles.

As for the argument that socialism removes choice, it’s misleading. In a socialist system, productive assets and infastructural resources are owned collectively and managed by the state, allowing for equitable access to necessities such as healthcare, education, and housing. This doesn’t restrict choice; it ensures that choice exists for everyone, not just those who can afford it. In capitalist systems, the so-called "choice" often means choosing which essential needs to prioritize, while the wealthy have unrestricted access to all options. Real choice is only meaningful when everyone has a fair starting point.

Many of the same people who decry “socialism” when it applies to universal healthcare or public education will praise these very systems in wealthy nations abroad, saying these countries represent "advanced capitalist democracies." But healthcare, education, and child welfare programs are socialist principles in action. The same people who rail against government intervention are perfectly content with corporate bailouts and subsidies, yet they resist funding programs that directly benefit citizens. When it comes to education, healthcare, and housing, these critics shout “socialism!” but ignore that their preferred “capitalist” nations embrace these very policies as essential to public welfare.




The working class in collaboration with their government will run and manage mass production. Today capitalists are pleading with the government behind the scenes, for a UBI bailout:

Or full government employment:


​

They want the government to step in and save capitalism from modern automation and artificial intelligence. The solution is simple, National Socialism. It saved Germany in the 1930s, from the disaster of Weihmar Republic Capitalism, and it will save the day again, in the age of full-automation and artificial intelligence. National Socialism made Germany into the most productive, modern nation on Earth, with the highest standard of living for all of its citizens. It will do it again in the future, when automation replaces the need for human labor. It will structure the economy and society in such away that no one will be without a job or living in poverty.



You just admitted that capitalism is slavery because it actually does place the means of production, including human labor in the hands of greedy, profit-pursuing capitalists who only care about themselves. That's slavery and Adam Smith the father of capitalism admits that by identifying capitalist employers as "masters":

"What are the common wages of labor, depends everywhere upon the contract usually made between those two parties, whose interests are by no means the same. The workmen desire to get as much, the masters to give as little as possible. The former are disposed to combine (To form labor unions) in order to raise, the latter in order to lower the wages of labor.


It is not, however, difficult to foresee which of the two parties must, upon all ordinary occasions, have the advantage in the dispute, and force the other into a compliance with their terms. The masters, being fewer in number, can combine (In the form of chambers of commerce, industry-specific associations, and guilds, super-PACs, non-profit front organizations/NGOs, armies of lobbyists bribing politicians in the halls of government, think tanks staffed by Ivy league analysts and scholars who write the papers and legislation that they hand to the lobbyists, to give to their cronies in the US Congress) much more easily; and the law, besides, authorises, or at least does not prohibit their combinations, while it prohibits those of the workmen.

We have no acts of parliament against combining to lower the price of work; but many against combining to raise it. In all such disputes the masters can hold out much longer. A landlord, a farmer, a master manufacturer, or merchant, though they did not employ a single workman, could generally live a year or two upon the stocks which they have already acquired. Many workmen could not subsist a week, few could subsist a month, and scarce any a year without employment. In the long-run the workman may be as necessary to his master as his master is to him, but the necessity is not so immediate.

We rarely hear, it has been said, of the combinations of masters, though frequently of those of workmen. But whoever imagines, upon this account, that masters rarely combine, is as ignorant of the world as of the subject. Masters are always and every where in a sort of tacit, but constant and uniform combination, not to raise the wages of labour above their actual rate. To violate this combination is every where a most unpopular action, and a sort of reproach to a master among his neighbours and equals." (Wealth Of Nations - Book I, Chapter VIII)

In National Socialism, capitalism serves the country and its people. The workers own at least half of the business enterprise, by law, and when technology eliminates the need for human labor, the government mandates humans still work and it manages production in collaboration with human labor or the working class. It's a partnership between government and the people who work the mines, factories..etc. In National Socialism, work is part of human life, even if technology is able to do everything without a human laborer. Human supervision of the system is still required and the government makes sure people still have a job.

Capitalism will actually make everyone poor, by handing everyone a UBI check and forcing society into techno-feudalism. National Socialism is better than feudalism. Much better.

I am right and have proven it

you are wrong and you know it

Your entire premise is based on lies and you ADMIT IT.

You said it yourself " people ALLOW themselves to be comodified"

Allowing anything is voluntary and consensual. The ONLY difference between a slave and an employee is volitinal consent.

Socialism robs the individual of that which IS slavery. One is not a slave if one GIVES consent.

The bible is not a valid source hence all of your scripture is meaningless.

No valid example of evidence comes from Cuba because ALL of the data is government generated propaganda.


Socialsim NEVER provides the basic needs for all it controls all to control people who are mere prducts not humans.

Food security for all under socialsim merely means the food is secured and you sare not allowed to eat unless you are obediant.

I admited nothing as capitalism places nothing into anyones hands it allows people to chose their own way
.

 

[Soupnazi630]

I just explained why you fool.

No you did not liar

You only performed idiotic mental gymnastics

 

[TruthNotBS]

No you did not liar

You only performed idiotic mental gymnastics

No country, unless you're Russia, the nation with the most territory on Earth, possessing practically every resource on the planet, you can't isolate yourself. An Island in the Caribbean 90 miles from the US, in the shadow of the capitalist empire, is going to survive without participating in world trade and having all of its clients fined for breaking the economic sanctions. I just explained how the economic embargo affects Cuba and you ignored everything I said, but others won't. I'm not writing this to convince you of anything, because I know you're a dishonest rancorous enemy of socialists, but I do it for others.

 

[westwall]

Again, you're trying hard to blame socialism, while ignoring the embargo. Durrrr.

Only the US had an embargo. So, only the cars were truly affected. Cuba is a pile of shit thanks to socialism.

Remember cupcake, Cuba did a roaring business with the Soviet Union. Castro and his cronies lived large.

The rest of the Cubano's.....not so much.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Only the US had an embargo. So, only the cars were truly affected. Cuba is a pile of shit thanks to socialism.

You ignore the fact that the US embargo affects how Cuba conducts business with every nation, due to the fact that the US controls the world's reserve currency and banking system. It also heavily fines banks and companies that conduct business with Cuba and barrs all cargo ships from anchoring in the US for six months after anchoring in a Cuban port. There's a long list of rules that must be followed by private companies and governments that choose to trade with Cuba, and if any of those laws are broken, those corporations and countries are fined, barred, sanctioned..etc. Most companies and countries would rather maintain good relations with the capitalist empire than with Cuba. Cuba is a serious, expensive liability for these countries. Cuba has essentially been turned into a leper, in the international community due to the brutal sanctions imposed upon it.

You're dishonest and ignorant hence you continue to delude yourself into thinking you have an argument against Cuban socialism, but you don't don't. Lift the embargo, and maybe you'll have an argument against Cuban socialism, until then, you're just supporting economic terrorism, against Cuba. It's a type of war, that is being conducted by America;s capitalist elites and their cronies in the US government, against Cuba. You have no argument against Cuba, nothing, until that economic embargo is lifted.

 

[westwall]

You ignore the fact that the US embargo affects how Cuba conducts business with every nation, due to the fact that the US controls the world's reserve currency and banking system. It also heavily fines banks and companies that conduct business with Cuba and barrs all cargo ships from anchoring in the US for six months after anchoring in a Cuban port. There's a long list of rules that must be followed by private companies and governments that choose to trade with Cuba, and if any of those laws are broken, those corporations and countries are fined, barred, sanctioned..etc. Most companies and countries would rather maintain good relations with the capitalist empire than with Cuba. Cuba is a serious, expensive liability for these countries. Cuba has essentially been turned into a leper, in the international community due to the brutal sanctions imposed upon it.

You're dishonest and ignorant hence you continue to delude yourself into thinking you have an argument against Cuban socialism, but you don't don't. Lift the embargo, and maybe you'll have an argument against Cuban socialism, until then, you're just supporting economic terrorism, against Cuba. It's a type of war, that is being conducted by America;s capitalist elites and their cronies in the US government, against Cuba. You have no argument against Cuba, nothing, until that economic embargo is lifted.

No, Cuba was free to do business with the world. They CHOSE to be a client state of the Soviet Union. Another "socialist paradise".

 

[TruthNotBS]

No, Cuba was free to do business with the world. They CHOSE to be a client state of the Soviet Union. Another "socialist paradise".

The USSR doesn't exist anymore, it lost the Cold War. When the USSR existed, Cuba was doing much better economically, having more resources. Even with the Soviets, Cuba was still being sanctioned by the US. Cuba has been dealing with this economic terrorism form the US, for decades. Trump is big on imposing sanctions on Cuba. He will even increase the sanctions. So again, you have no argument against Cuban socialism. Lift the sanctions and allow Cuban socialism to fail naturally, without it being sabotaged or you have nothing. You're just being dishonest, like practically all defenders of capitalism.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The USSR doesn't exist anymore, it lost the Cold War. When the USSR existed, Cuba was doing much better economically, having more resources. Even with the Soviets, Cuba was still being sanctioned by the US. Cuba has been dealing with this economic terrorism form the US, for decades. Trump is big on imposing sanctions on Cuba. He will even increase the sanctions. So again, you have no argument against Cuban socialism. Lift the sanctions and allow Cuban socialism to fail naturally, without it being sabotaged or you have nothing. You're just being dishonest, like practically all defenders of capitalism.

If free countries and free companies freely decide that trading with Cuba isn't worth the backlash
from the US, that's too bad.

If the socialist government in Cuba really cared about their own people more than their own power,
they'd fix their relationship with the US. But they won't, because they don't.

 

[westwall]

The USSR doesn't exist anymore, it lost the Cold War. When the USSR existed, Cuba was doing much better economically, having more resources. Even with the Soviets, Cuba was still being sanctioned by the US. Cuba has been dealing with this economic terrorism form the US, for decades. Trump is big on imposing sanctions on Cuba. He will even increase the sanctions. So again, you have no argument against Cuban socialism. Lift the sanctions and allow Cuban socialism to fail naturally, without it being sabotaged or you have nothing. You're just being dishonest, like practically all defenders of capitalism.

Since the Castro brothers took over the socialist ruling elite, did well. The rest of the Cubans, not at all.

That's the problem with people like you, you have no life experiences. You have never traveled out of your mom's basement, so you believe every bit of propaganda they push in your maw...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Since the Castro brothers took over the socialist ruling elite, did well. The rest of the Cubans, not at all.

That's the problem with people like you, you have no life experiences. You have never traveled out of your mom's basement, so you believe every bit of propaganda they push in your maw...

IIRC, he claimed his rich Cuban family had to flee when Castro took over, and he still supports the commies.

 

[westwall]

IIRC, he claimed his rich Cuban family had to flee when Castro took over, and he still supports the commies.

Well hell, he should move back and put his money where his mouth is.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well hell, he should move back and put his money where his mouth is.

No kidding.
He could explain what they're doing wrong.
If they follow his advice, what's the worst that could happen?
They'd become a commie shithole?