Communist paradise that is Cuba 🇨🇺

[westwall]

No kidding.
He could explain what they're doing wrong.
If they follow his advice, what's the worst that could happen?
They'd become a commie shithole?

Well, worse for him is he would either be shot or thrown in to prison.

 

[Foxfyre]

How can any middle class American look at the condition of this once beautiful and prosperous nation and believe that leftist policies are successful????SHAMEFUL.

Like most things, there are usually more than one aspect to consider.

The images in your video show a downside to Cuba but most likely don't tell the whole story there. In the interest of 'fair and balanced reporting', the link following takes you to the analysis of an American who moved to Cuba in 2021 and he lays out the pros and cons every well. In short things there probably aren't as bad as your video implies but neither are they wonderful there.

Living in Cuba: Things You Want to Know Before Moving Here

What is living in Cuba as a foreigner like? This article offers practical information for anyone considering moving to and living in Cuba.

www.spendlifetraveling.com

 

[westwall]

Like most things, there are usually more than one aspect to consider.

The images in your video show a downside to Cuba but most likely don't tell the whole story there. In the interest of 'fair and balanced reporting', the link following takes you to the analysis of an American who moved to Cuba in 2021 and he lays out the pros and cons every well. In short things there probably aren't as bad as your video implies but neither are they wonderful there.

Living in Cuba: Things You Want to Know Before Moving Here

What is living in Cuba as a foreigner like? This article offers practical information for anyone considering moving to and living in Cuba.

www.spendlifetraveling.com

Actually, what that guys video shows is if you HAVE MONEY Cuba isn't terrible.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Like most things, there are usually more than one aspect to consider.

The images in your video show a downside to Cuba but most likely don't tell the whole story there. In the interest of 'fair and balanced reporting', the link following takes you to the analysis of an American who moved to Cuba in 2021 and he lays out the pros and cons every well. In short things there probably aren't as bad as your video implies but neither are they wonderful there.

Living in Cuba: Things You Want to Know Before Moving Here

What is living in Cuba as a foreigner like? This article offers practical information for anyone considering moving to and living in Cuba.

www.spendlifetraveling.com

If you have a source of US dollars, you can probably have a nice time in Cuba.
Like all the nomenklatura and party princes.

 

[Foxfyre]

Actually, what that guys video shows is if you HAVE MONEY Cuba isn't terrible.

Agreed. Not ideal by any stretch of the imagination but not horrible either.

 

[westwall]

Agreed. Not ideal by any stretch of the imagination but not horrible either.

Oh, far from that. No matter which 3rd world craphole a reasonably well off person lands in, they can live very well compared to the locals.

 

[TruthNotBS]

If free countries and free companies freely decide that trading with Cuba isn't worth the backlash
from the US, that's too bad.

If the socialist government in Cuba really cared about their own people more than their own power,
they'd fix their relationship with the US. But they won't, because they don't.

The backlash by the US capitalist elites is the culprit, not socialism supposedly being an inadequate economic system. Cuba's main problem is the fact that it's 90 miles away from the American capitalist empire. Now, from a practical perspective, I agree with you. Did it make sense for Castro and his comrades to turn Cuba into a Soviet satellite, in the middle of the Cold War? Why did Cuba have to adopt marketless Marxism-Leninism? That was dumb, it could've simply adopted a mixed economy like what we have now in Western Europe. Add some socialism to capitalism, that's all that was necessary to significantly improve the standard of living of Cubans, not marketless Marxism.

I agree, up to a point, that what Castro and his revolution did in Cuba was just stupid and rash. When your neighbor is an 800-pound capitalist gorilla in a Cold War with an 800-pound Soviet communist bear, you don't turn your Island into a Soviet satellite. That's just dumb, I agree. The Cuban government should improve relations with the US. My paternal grandfather lost his 6000-hectare ranch in Oriente, and my paternal grandmother's family lost a sugar mill and millions of dollars in assets. My family fled to Spain, and started SIMAGO:

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The first K-Mart-type department stores in Spain. My grandmother and her sister sold it in the late 1970s for several million dollars. My family lost a lot in Cuba but due to having family roots and wealth in Spain, we were able to recover. Marxism insists that markets are always destructive and unjust. As a National Socialist, I disagree with that and acknowledge that markets are necessary until technology facilitates full automation, and even then, there can still be a place for markets, that are protected, if not mandated, by the government for consumer goods and services (in service to the community rather than primarily for profits).

For capitalism to function properly with advanced, full automation it needs government mandates to ensure people have jobs, otherwise, capitalism collapses. You need to marry capitalism with socialism, that's National Socialism. Capitalism serves the nation, rather than a socioeconomic class of wealthy profit-pursuing elites, who have no allegiance to the country.

Advanced automation without government regulation leads to techno-feudalism, mass unemployment, and people living off of a government UBI check..etc. It's a dystopic nightmare. That's what the big-money capitalists in America want for the working class. Reducing people to worthless consumer serfs living off of a government handout. National Socialism is the solution to that. It maintains capitalism, regardless of whether robots can do everything human beings can, by making human labor a necessary element of human social cohesion and success. Human beings need to work and have a purpose in life to flourish, hence the role of government to enforce certain regulations upon capitalism, forcing capitalists to engage in business not just for profit but in service to the nation. Patriotic capitalism serves the people first, and profits secondary.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Since the Castro brothers took over the socialist ruling elite, did well. The rest of the Cubans, not at all.

That's the problem with people like you, you have no life experiences. You have never traveled out of your mom's basement, so you believe every bit of propaganda they push in your maw...

You're a delusional ignorant person, who doesn't have a clue about economics or history. You serve profit-pursuing, big-money capitalist elites at your peril, to the detriment of your country.

 

[TruthNotBS]

No kidding.
He could explain what they're doing wrong.
If they follow his advice, what's the worst that could happen?
They'd become a commie shithole?

Lift the sanctions, and stop the economic terrorism against Cuba and Latin America in general or you deserve more illegal immigration.

 

[Soupnazi630]

No country, unless you're Russia, the nation with the most territory on Earth, possessing practically every resource on the planet, you can't isolate yourself. An Island in the Caribbean 90 miles from the US, in the shadow of the capitalist empire, is going to survive without participating in world trade and having all of its clients fined for breaking the economic sanctions. I just explained how the economic embargo affects Cuba and you ignored everything I said, but others won't. I'm not writing this to convince you of anything, because I know you're a dishonest rancorous enemy of socialists, but I do it for others.

And yet despite all that land and socialism the USSR still could never made it work. We fed their population for decades even as they pointed missiles at us.

Wrong Socialism requires no trade.

You lied about how it affects anything. It is strictly refusing to trade and nothing more.

You do this to stroke your own childish ego, History and facts prove you wrong but likle a brat you have to lie and deny

 

[Soupnazi630]

You're a delusional ignorant person, who doesn't have a clue about economics or history. You serve profit-pursuing, big-money capitalist elites at your peril, to the detriment of your country.

You have no business talking about economics as it is a foreign concept to you

we have the greatest country in history because of capitalism

Cuba and all other socialist countries are massive failures BECAUSE of socialism

 

[Theowl32]

Like most things, there are usually more than one aspect to consider.

The images in your video show a downside to Cuba but most likely don't tell the whole story there. In the interest of 'fair and balanced reporting', the link following takes you to the analysis of an American who moved to Cuba in 2021 and he lays out the pros and cons every well. In short things there probably aren't as bad as your video implies but neither are they wonderful there.

Living in Cuba: Things You Want to Know Before Moving Here

What is living in Cuba as a foreigner like? This article offers practical information for anyone considering moving to and living in Cuba.

www.spendlifetraveling.com

Since their glorious commie crap took over, almost 70 years ago, there hasn't been one single documented case of any American trying to float down to Cuba in a make shift rickety boat. Not one American has tried to escape the horrors of the so called racism and the burdens of 7 Elevens and Burger Kings...

Here's the 4 choices the thousands of Cubans who've CHOSEN TO DO THAT TO GET HERE!!

One...be eaten by sharks.
Two...drown.
Three...get to the Shores of a country and not know what's going to happen if you get there.

Four...stay.


Thousands upon thousands didn't choose to stay.

 

[Foxfyre]

Since their glorious commie crap took over, almost 70 years ago, there hasn't been one single documented case of any American trying to float down to Cuba in a make shift rickety boat. Not one American has tried to escape the horrors of the so called racism and the burdens of 7 Elevens and Burger Kings...

Here's the 4 choices the thousands of Cubans who've CHOSEN TO DO THAT TO GET HERE!!

One...be eaten by sharks.
Two...drown.
Three...get to the Shores of a country and not know what's going to happen if you get there.

Four...stay.


Thousands upon thousands didn't choose to stay.

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But the thing is, life in Cuba is not the same as when Fidel Castro first took power. They don't have much in the way of civil rights there, but the regime is not as restrictive, murderous and brutal as it once was.

Most of the people living in Cuba now have no recollection of life before Castro and what they have seems normal to them. I believe the spirit and yearning for liberty is something innate in the human experience, but those who have never known the kind of liberty we have enjoyed in the USA don't miss it like we would were we to lose it.

 

[TruthNotBS]

You have no business talking about economics as it is a foreign concept to you

we have the greatest country in history because of capitalism

Cuba and all other socialist countries are massive failures BECAUSE of socialism

Keep repeating your silly hogwash if it make you feel better while ignoring everything I said.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Since their glorious commie crap took over, almost 70 years ago, there hasn't been one single documented case of any American trying to float down to Cuba in a make shift rickety boat. Not one American has tried to escape the horrors of the so called racism and the burdens of 7 Elevens and Burger Kings...

Here's the 4 choices the thousands of Cubans who've CHOSEN TO DO THAT TO GET HERE!!

One...be eaten by sharks.
Two...drown.
Three...get to the Shores of a country and not know what's going to happen if you get there.

Four...stay.


Thousands upon thousands didn't choose to stay.

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Anyone could leave the US on a plane or bus, why brave the ocean in a raft? After the collapse of the USSR, Cuba's main trading partner, and the tightening of sanctions by the US in the 1990s, created conditions on the Island that led to people leaving in rafts. People who live in Haiti a capitalist-run economy, that isn't under an economic embargo enforced by the US as Cuba is, are further away from the US, and don't even have the same immigrant status as Cubans once they reach American soil, even they were and are till this day, braving the ocean to arrive here.

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Of course people are going to leave the nations that are being consumed by American capitalist elites for their cheap labor and resources, to live in the empire. If you were living in one of these poor, developing countries that are highly exploited by American corporations you would do the same thing.

 

[TruthNotBS]

And yet despite all that land and socialism the USSR still could never made it work. We fed their population for decades even as they pointed missiles at us.

Wrong Socialism requires no trade.

You lied about how it affects anything. It is strictly refusing to trade and nothing more.

You do this to stroke your own childish ego, History and facts prove you wrong but likle a brat you have to lie and deny

And yet despite all that land and socialism the USSR still could never made it work. We fed their population for decades even as they pointed missiles at us.

• Soviet Contributions in WWII:
• The USSR played a crucial role in defeating Germany, especially on the Eastern Front. The Soviet Union sustained enormous casualties and managed to tie down the majority of German forces, which was instrumental in Hitler’s eventual defeat. This contribution undeniably allowed the Allies, including the US, to achieve victory in WWII. Seven out of ten German soldiers were fighting on the Eastern Front in the Soviet Union.
  
  • The scale of the Eastern Front, both in terms of military operations and human suffering, was immense, and the USSR bore the majority of the war’s burden for the allies in Europe.
• US Aid to the USSR During WWII:
  
  • The US did provide significant material aid to the USSR during WWII through the Lend-Lease program. The aid included food, vehicles, industrial equipment, and other resources that were essential for the Soviet war effort. By the war's end, this aid amounted to billions of dollars worth of materials and resources.
  • This support, however, was part of a strategic alliance to defeat Germany. The assistance was crucial to Soviet logistics, but it didn’t constitute the US “feeding” the USSR in a long-term or dependency sense; rather, it was a wartime collaboration.
  • After the war the USSR had to pick itself up by its own bootstraps and rebuild much of its national infrastructure, without the assistance of the United States. By the late 1950s, shortly after the war, the USSR was a nuclear superpower rivaling the US. By 1970 it had the second-largest economy in the world, not bad for a new country, huh? That's the power of socialism. The USSR didn't lose its momentum, until the 1980s, when internal political pressure, seeking relief from the Cold War, led to reforms trying to placate the US, and that's what led to its demise. An internal struggle led by liberals like Gorbachev and Yeltsin destroyed the USSR.
• Post-War Soviet Aid to the Developing World:
  
  • After WWII, the Soviet Union became a significant provider of aid, including grain, oil, and military support, to various Third World countries, particularly as part of its competition with the US during the Cold War.
  • This support often came in the form of economic and military aid to nations in Africa, Asia, and Latin America as the USSR sought to spread its influence and counter US power. In this sense, the USSR can be seen as having “fed” others, not being the recipient of such aid. So you're just being ignorant when you claim the USSR relied upon the US to feed it.

Wrong Socialism requires no trade.

Socialism is simply the working class owning the means of production or at least owning a significant part of it, while in collaboration with the state, when it comes to planning. Trading with foreign nations for raw materials and goods not available in one's own country, is permissible, and necessary. You're just ignorant.

You lied about how it affects anything. It is strictly refusing to trade and nothing more.

You have your head buried in the sand like an ostrich if you deny the fact that the US-led embargo, undermines Cuba's ability to trade. Without bank accounts, lines of credit or ships being able to anchor in Cuban ports, Cuba's economy is seriously compromised. They can't even import any machinery that has 14% or more of its parts patented by the US. Any company that sells Cuba any technology or machinery patented by the US, breaks the economic sanctions and is liable to pay fines and other penalties to the US. That's why Cuba has been reduced to an economic leper by the American empire, that controls the world's reserve currency and banking system.

You do this to stroke your own childish ego, History and facts prove you wrong but likle a brat you have to lie and deny

You're just projecting yourself on me. That's exactly what you are and what you are doing.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Keep repeating your silly hogwash if it make you feel better while ignoring everything I said.

What you said was not true what I am saying IS true

 

[Soupnazi630]

• Soviet Contributions in WWII:
• The USSR played a crucial role in defeating Germany, especially on the Eastern Front. The Soviet Union sustained enormous casualties and managed to tie down the majority of German forces, which was instrumental in Hitler’s eventual defeat. This contribution undeniably allowed the Allies, including the US, to achieve victory in WWII. Seven out of ten German soldiers were fighting on the Eastern Front in the Soviet Union.
  
  • The scale of the Eastern Front, both in terms of military operations and human suffering, was immense, and the USSR bore the majority of the war’s burden for the allies in Europe.
• US Aid to the USSR During WWII:
  
  • The US did provide significant material aid to the USSR during WWII through the Lend-Lease program. The aid included food, vehicles, industrial equipment, and other resources that were essential for the Soviet war effort. By the war's end, this aid amounted to billions of dollars worth of materials and resources.
  • This support, however, was part of a strategic alliance to defeat Germany. The assistance was crucial to Soviet logistics, but it didn’t constitute the US “feeding” the USSR in a long-term or dependency sense; rather, it was a wartime collaboration.
  • After the war the USSR had to pick itself up by its own bootstraps and rebuild much of its national infrastructure, without the assistance of the United States. By the late 1950s, shortly after the war, the USSR was a nuclear superpower rivaling the US. By 1970 it had the second-largest economy in the world, not bad for a new country, huh? That's the power of socialism. The USSR didn't lose its momentum, until the 1980s, when internal political pressure, seeking relief from the Cold War, led to reforms trying to placate the US, and that's what led to its demise. An internal struggle led by liberals like Gorbachev and Yeltsin destroyed the USSR.
• Post-War Soviet Aid to the Developing World:
  
  • After WWII, the Soviet Union became a significant provider of aid, including grain, oil, and military support, to various Third World countries, particularly as part of its competition with the US during the Cold War.
  • This support often came in the form of economic and military aid to nations in Africa, Asia, and Latin America as the USSR sought to spread its influence and counter US power. In this sense, the USSR can be seen as having “fed” others, not being the recipient of such aid. So you're just being ignorant when you claim the USSR relied upon the US to feed it.

Socialism is simply the working class owning the means of production or at least owning a significant part of it, while in collaboration with the state, when it comes to planning. Trading with foreign nations for raw materials and goods not available in one's own country, is permissible, and necessary. You're just ignorant.




You have your head buried in the sand like an ostrich if you deny the fact that the US-led embargo, undermines Cuba's ability to trade. Without bank accounts, lines of credit or ships being able to anchor in Cuban ports, Cuba's economy is seriously compromised. They can't even import any machinery that has 14% or more of its parts patented by the US. Any company that sells Cuba any technology or machinery patented by the US, breaks the economic sanctions and is liable to pay fines and other penalties to the US. That's why Cuba has been reduced to an economic leper by the American empire, that controls the world's reserve currency and banking system.



You're just projecting yourself on me. That's exactly what you are and what you are doing.

What they did in WWII is irrelevant, they could never feed their own population WE did.

The US embargo is one way and anyone else may trade with them and many nations do

Socialist gtheory does not require trade dumbass. You do not even understand your own failed philosophy

Youy have utterly FAILED to provide a single intellegent argument. The fact is it is socialism which has failed
That is FACT you fucking retard

I am projecting nothing i am correcting you

 

[TruthNotBS]

What you said was not true what I am saying IS true

You're delusional.

 

[TruthNotBS]

What they did in WWII is irrelevant, they could never feed their own population WE did.

The US embargo is one way and anyone else may trade with them and many nations do

Socialist gtheory does not require trade dumbass. You do not even understand your own failed philosophy

Youy have utterly FAILED to provide a single intellegent argument. The fact is it is socialism which has failed
That is FACT you fucking retard

I am projecting nothing i am correcting you

What they did in WWII is irrelevant, they could never feed their own population WE did.

I don't write this for pieces of shit like you but for others, who might be interested in this topic.

What the Soviets did in WW2 was spare America from having to fight 7 out of 10 German soldiers in Western Europe along with thousands of more tanks, artillery pieces..etc. If it weren't for the Soviets the American death toll wouldn't have been just 460K (less than half a million), but rather 10 million KIA, 30 million KIA..etc. The Soviets lost 28 million people, 14% of its population and we only lost 0.03% of ours. To say that WW2 is irrelevant is retarded, but of course, that's what SoupNazi is, a retard.

Without the war, the American economy would've remained in recession. The US became the world's manufacturing hub, and exclusive issuer of the international reserve currency, thanks to WW2. It developed the wealthiest workforce in the world, enjoying the highest standard of living, thanks to coming out of WW2 unscathed, unlike Europe and Japan. That's the benefit of having your country located between two large oceans thousands of miles away from the battlefields of a world war. You get the privilege of not being invaded by millions of enemy troops as the Soviets were.

SoupNazi's claim that the Soviets never eliminated famine is a bald-faced lie. First of all, there were plenty of famines before Soviet socialism, under the Tsars, why doesn't he mention that? He's an ignorant hypocrite.

By the late 1930s, the Soviet Union was more mechanized in its food production than the US and Western Europe. The Soviets eliminated food shortages by the mid-1930s. It was a world war that caused famines in the USSR, not socialism. Today as well, any famines or shortages that occur in places like Cuba, are due to war. The economic terrorism of the capitalist-run America causes small, developing nations like Cuba to suffer economically and otherwise.

If we had been invaded by four million Germans, as the Soviets were, we too would've suffered food shortages. In the 1980s, food shortages in Russia were due to Perestroika or market reforms, not socialism. The capitalist reforms pushed by Soviet government liberals like Gorbachev and Yeltsin, in their misguided attempt to placate the US, thinking that would end the Cold War, destroyed the Soviet economy. Most of the images we have online of breadlines in the USSR are in the 1980s. The less socialist the USSR became the more it undermined its production output.

Germany's National Socialism turned Germany into one of the most technologically advanced, wealthiest, most productive nations on Earth. Socialism whether right-wing or leftist, is always much better than capitalism. American capitalism creates gross inequality and debt. Over half of Americans live paycheck to paycheck and have less than $500 in savings. Tens of millions of Americans are medically uninsured and haven't had a checkup in over ten years, if not more. Americans get seriously ill and run to the emergency room, that's "primary care" in this country. Don't see a doctor until the shit hits the fan.

The US embargo is one way and anyone else may trade with them and many nations do

He's ignoring the fact that most nations can't establish regular diplomatic or economic relations with Cuba for the reasons I already covered in previous posts. The US controls the world's reserve currency and international banking system, hence banks that in the past have tried to open accounts for Cuba have been heavily fined. Cuban assets are frozen by the US and Cuba is essentially a financial leper in the international community.

If any company or government sends its expensive cargo ships to anchor in a Cuban port, they will be barred for six months from anchoring in any port on American territory. All technology that is patented under US law, or machines that contain 14% or more American parts or patented technology, is prohibited from being sold or imported into Cuba. There's a long list of raw materials, technology, and machinery that the US prohibits to be sold to Cuba, and countries and companies that refuse to comply with the US government-imposed sanctions, are liable to pay fines, and can be banned from conducting business with the USA.

If a country or business has a choice between conducting commerce with Cuba or the American empire, which one do you think they're going to choose? Obviously, they're going to see Cuba as an unnecessary liability and do business with the American empire, that controls the world's reserve currency and banking system, maintaining good relations with Washington, not Havana.

Socialist gtheory does not require trade dumbass. You do not even understand your own failed philosophy

He continues to assert that socialist nations don't need to trade with others and that's ridiculous. Socialism is when the means of production is either 100% owned by the working class or at least half of every business enterprise is partly owned by its employees. It's when capitalists are forced by law, to serve their country through their businesses, hiring workers, and producing goods and services for the community. That's socialism, whether it's leftist Marxism or right-wing nationalist/fascist socialism (national socialism).

Socialism is the future, whether "SoupShitHead" likes it or not. You're not going to stop socialism, it's the natural, inevitable result of advanced automation and AI. Industrialization and automation always lead to socialism or war. Choose, but you'll lose anyways if you fight against socialism. It always wins, one way or another. Right now Western Europe is essentially socialist. They have mixed socialist economies, not Milton Friedman's "free-market capitalism".

Youy have utterly FAILED to provide a single intellegent argument. The fact is it is socialism which has failed That is FACT you fucking retard

Soupidiot is confused.

I am projecting nothing i am correcting you

Keep dreaming.