could Australia supply the West with humanely dug-up materials for electric batteries?

[peacefan]

Here's the hole they make in poor Mother Earth to get battery material...

Here's the hole they make in poor Mother Earth to get oil...

Which is the one really doing more damage to poor Mother Earth?

ah, but what about oil-spills?

 

[Natural Citizen]

it's climatologists, not political scientists doing those peer-reviews!

 

[JGalt]

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this has got me thinking : could Australia supply the West with humanely dug-up materials for electric batteries?
i think that -if viable- this would be far better than getting it from child labor done in Afghanistan under Chinese control.

The expense of mining those materials without cheap child labor would make the cost of EVs more prohibitive than they already are. In 2020, there were an estimated 40,000 children digging cobalt in the Congo. They made between $1 to $2 dollars per day. As of 2023, the average salary for a miner in Australia is $112,960 per year, and as much as $160,000 per year for experienced workers. The fact is, the batteries for EVs rely on cheap child labor. Without that, nobody could really afford one.

In addition to that, the $1-2 dollars per day is feeding those Congolese children and their families. Those who were dependent on that money would probably starve to death.

 

[peacefan]

Start with the elite hypocrites pushing the false green agendas that fly private jets, have multiple homes and consume the resources of a small town.
Until then, it's just empty, meaningless platitudes.

I am more concerned about the microplastics and sheer amout of garbage and refuse that end up in our rivers, lakes and oceans from careless urban dwellers than the ridiculous notion of CO2, essential to life, being labeled an environmental pollutant.

look fella. back before the Industrial Revolution, there were 1 billion people on the planet.
now there's just under 8 billion.

temperatures have risen, sea water levels have risen, as a direct result of that population growth and technological development.
that's a FACT.

and *plenty* of ordinary people (like myself), backed by climatologists *and* green minded politicians, agree that *now* is the time to do something about the environment.

 

[peacefan]

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i stand by my argument though. it was climatologists who convinced the public, and the public who convinced part of the political elites, into supporting climate improving measures.

 

[Natural Citizen]

ah, but what about oil-spills?

Mining not only contributes to the contamination of surface water, groundwater, and soil; mining also affects the environment by inducing a loss of biodiversity.

 

[petro]

i stand by my argument though. it was climatologists who convinced the public, and the public who convinced part of the political elites, into supporting climate improving measures.

Explain exactly what Earths ideal climate should be.
It seems you folks are arguing for a static Earth that benefits shortsighted humans who stupidly develop in historically flood prone regions.

 

[peacefan]

The expense of mining those materials without cheap child labor would make the cost of EVs more prohibitive than they already are. In 2020, there were an estimated 40,000 children digging cobalt in the Congo. They made between $1 to $2 dollars per day. As of 2023, the average salary for a miner in Australia is $112,960 per year, and as much as $160,000 per year for experienced workers. The fact is, the batteries for EVs rely on cheap child labor. Without that, nobody could really afford one.

In addition to that, the $1-2 dollars per day is feeding those Congolese children and their families. Those who were dependent on that money would probably starve to death.

well, simple. automate the heck out of the digging process.
CATERPILLAR TO THE RESCUE!

 

[Natural Citizen]

i stand by my argument though. it was climatologists who convinced the public, and the public who convinced part of the political elites, into supporting climate improving measures.

Humanity will blow itself off the face of the Earth long before it does any kind of permanent damage.

Especially with this window licker egging on a nuclear war...

And the Earth will get along just fine without us.

Did you know that roughly 90 something percent of every species that ever lived on Earth is extinct?

 

[peacefan]

Explain exactly what Earths ideal climate should be.

cooler than it is today, with more rain.

It seems you folks are arguing for a static Earth that benefits shortsighted humans who stupidly develop in historically flood prone regions.

well we should move our cities to higher elevations (i know, another big project).
and our industries along with it.

the shores and rivers should be left as holiday spots, to be evacuated in the event of massive rains / storms.

 

[JGalt]

well, simple. automate the heck out of the digging process.
CATERPILLAR TO THE RESCUE!

So you get EV batteries for the same price they are now, and hundreds of thousands of children and slave laborers across the world who previously dug lithium, nickel, cobalt, manganese and graphite, would just collect unemployment checks?

 

[peacefan]

Humanity will blow itself off the face of the Earth long before it does any kind of permanent damage.

Especially with this window licker egging on a nuclear war...

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And the Earth will get along just fine without us.

Did you know that roughly 90 something percent of every species that ever lived on Earth is extinct?

you wanna give up on your own species?!

 

[Natural Citizen]

I read a line the other day that got me chuckling. But I forget exactly what it was about.

I roughly recall someone saying that whatever it was that was being discussed would generate about as much pollution as all of the planes coming in for a climate convention.

Heh heh..

 

[peacefan]

So you get EV batteries for the same price they are now, and hundreds of thousands of children and slave laborers across the world who previously dug lithium, nickel, cobalt, manganese and graphite, would just collect unemployment checks?

let 'm create bread for themselves, art for the international markets, become IT professionals.
there's plenty of non-slave-labor jobs that are *also* needed, if we can get rid of this "need" for dirty slave labor!

 

[Natural Citizen]

you wanna give up on your own species?!

What have they done for me lately?

Cripes, I can't even fly some place without some weirdo fondling my balls.

 

[petro]

cooler than it is today, with more rain

Screw that.
I just lived through one of the worst winters in years.
I want palm trees on the shores of Lake Superior, not the 10 feet of snow we got.

Warm this bitch up.

 

[JGalt]

let 'm create bread for themselves, art for the international markets, become IT professionals.
there's plenty of non-slave-labor jobs that are *also* needed, if we can get rid of this "need" for dirty slave labor!

How typical of the left.

 

[johngaltshrugged]

and i'm sorry you're too much of an ostrich with his head in the sands of history to have a proper discussion with.
let's agree to disagree, shall we?

Sure. I've got no problem minding my business as long as you mind your own.

You can go as green as you want & I will continue to use fossil fuels, raise cattle, eat what I want. go on long trips & generally ignore the nonsense coming from the greenies.

We can agree on that right?

 

[peacefan]

Sure. I've got no problem minding my business as long as you mind your own.

You can go as green as you want & I will continue to use fossil fuels, raise cattle, eat what I want. go on long trips & generally ignore the nonsense coming from the greenies.

We can agree on that right?

yeah, we can.

 

[peacefan]

As renewables become more prevalent, finding ways to recycle renewable waste becoming more urgent : INTERNEWSCAST

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glad to see someone has picked up on this..