Curious, why do Libertarians only seem to care about the federal government?

[Truthmatters]

run away wothout discussing what Im asking you to discuss.

chickenshits

 

[Truthmatters]

Federalist Papers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


lets discuss every page of this history of the country which was how the constitution was defened by its supporters.



It will distory todays modern republican party

 

[Truthmatters]

note my reading friends that they are terrified to actually discuss this part of American history?

 

[Truthmatters]

Because it trashes their postisions of today.

If that is not true cons then get in here and prove the founders did not stand against any of your ideas

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I never hear them objecting to the nanny statism going on at the state and local level. That impacts our lives a lot more. If you have a bunch of liberals banning everything they don't like at the state level, it won't really matter too much what the feds are doing.

Actually, there is an even bigger embarrassment which most "Talk Radio Libertarians" never mention - and that's the relationship between government and corporations.

Do you understand the point of lobbying and election funding? The market winners have captured the centralized power of the state. Government now exists to subsidize and bail out capital.

John Galt (the icon of free market capitalism) now craves state intervention. Indeed, business wants patent protection for its products so it can put a monopoly fence around its investments. Do you know how much the tax payer pays to maintain the patent system? But it doesn't stop there. Corporations want military support for their overseas supply chains. [Read the labels on your clothes and consumer goods. These things come from dangerous places that must be stabilized by our military. Do you know how much money it costs to ensure that our capitalists get ultra-cheap labor from freedom-hating, dictator-lead nations?] Corporations also require advanced industrial infrastructure - another generous gift from the taxpayer. Or what about FDIC insurance so risk is underwritten for free? Or what about the legal system which is needed to enforce their contracts and protect their property and investments? The public pays untold trillions to ensure their property, and their markets, and their profits are protected. Worse: banks get virtually free money from the fed (under 1%) to lend out at a high interest rate. The consumer electronics boom of the 80s came from technology that was developed in the state sector (through the Pentagon and NASA budgets). Before you make silly posts, study Boeing and commercial aviation, specifically the amount of state support given to this fabulous profit cow. Let's not even talk about what big government does for big oil.

What scares me is that you have been drugged with cliches about Government Control, but you have not done any research outside of your party's tightly controlled information system. You should at least understand the other side of the story.

Don't be their useful idiot. They're trying to convince you that the capitalist represents freedom - and freedom is dying at the hands of the Stalinist State. What they're not tell you is that they own the state. When a senator does not vote for special interests, he faces a primary challenge. Do you know how many rightwing senators, who passed the 2003 Drug Bill, are now pharmaceutical lobbyists?

You've been turned, unwittingly, into an apparachik for the special interests which run government.

Turn off talk radio and FOX News and research who owns government.

http://deanbaker.net/images/stories/documents/cnswebbook.pdf

Actually, while many liberals and conservatives were running around screaming that the sky is falling, libertarians were saying that these "capitalists" should not be bailed out and ought to go out of business. Libertarians oppose crony capitalists attempting to use the state to gain an advantage over their competitors.

 

[Truthmatters]

see my friends how they refuse to discuss the federalists papers?

 

[Truthmatters]

There is a good reason they wont discuss this MAJOR part of our history.


Its how the constitution got passed in this country.

yet they dont want to discuss it.


there is good reason why the refuse to discuss it.

 

[dblack]

TM - I'm going to bill you for replacing my scroll wheel mouse.

 

[Avorysuds]

There is a good reason they wont discuss this MAJOR part of our history.


Its how the constitution got passed in this country.

yet they dont want to discuss it.


there is good reason why the refuse to discuss it.

First of all the federalist papers are not the constitution, they are not law.

Secondly what part do you think of the federalist paper Libertarians don't agree with. Try and be incredibly specific.

1) Give a full quote
2) Give your interpretation of that quote
3) Give us the interpretation you think Libertarians would have of that quote
4) Then tell everyone why your interpretation of the quote supersedes the actual law of the constitution.


For instance, Hamilton believed that only the wealthy should run the country... Why do you support that idea so much TM?


http://mrkash.com/activities/hamiltonjefferson.html


Federalists

Leader: Alexander Hamilton

Favored:

• Rule by the wealthy class
• Strong federal government
• Emphasis on manufacturing
• Loose interpretation of the Constitution


Democratic-Republicans

Leader: Thomas Jefferson

Favored:

• Rule by the people
• Strong state governments
• Emphasis on agriculture
• Strict interpretation of the Constitution

 

[Avorysuds]

TM - I'm going to bill you for replacing my scroll wheel mouse.

TM believe in quantity of quality.

Fact: TM is stupid.

Now if I spam that over and over TM will have to accept it, seeing that is how she "debates."

 

[IlarMeilyr]

There is a good reason they wont discuss this MAJOR part of our history.


Its how the constitution got passed in this country.

yet they dont want to discuss it.


there is good reason why the refuse to discuss it.

First of all the federalist papers are not the constitution, they are not law.

Secondly what part do you think of the federalist paper Libertarians don't agree with. Try and be incredibly specific.

1) Give a full quote
2) Give your interpretation of that quote
3) Give us the interpretation you think Libertarians would have of that quote
4) Then tell everyone why your interpretation of the quote supersedes the actual law of the constitution.


For instance, Hamilton believed that only the wealthy should run the country... Why do you support that idea so much TM?


Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson


Federalists

Leader: Alexander Hamilton

Favored:

• Rule by the wealthy class
• Strong federal government
• Emphasis on manufacturing
• Loose interpretation of the Constitution


Democratic-Republicans

Leader: Thomas Jefferson

Favored:

• Rule by the people
• Strong state governments
• Emphasis on agriculture
• Strict interpretation of the Constitution

I already tried tyo get her to make some kind of coherent claim. Make your case, TderpM.

But she probably can't. She certainly won't. She will go on refusing to even try.

 

[Truthmatters]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...efusing-to-discuss-the-federalist-papers.html

liar

 

[Truthmatters]

There is a good reason they wont discuss this MAJOR part of our history.


Its how the constitution got passed in this country.

yet they dont want to discuss it.


there is good reason why the refuse to discuss it.

First of all the federalist papers are not the constitution, they are not law.

Secondly what part do you think of the federalist paper Libertarians don't agree with. Try and be incredibly specific.

1) Give a full quote
2) Give your interpretation of that quote
3) Give us the interpretation you think Libertarians would have of that quote
4) Then tell everyone why your interpretation of the quote supersedes the actual law of the constitution.


For instance, Hamilton believed that only the wealthy should run the country... Why do you support that idea so much TM?


Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson


Federalists

Leader: Alexander Hamilton

Favored:

• Rule by the wealthy class
• Strong federal government
• Emphasis on manufacturing
• Loose interpretation of the Constitution


Democratic-Republicans

Leader: Thomas Jefferson

Favored:

• Rule by the people
• Strong state governments
• Emphasis on agriculture
• Strict interpretation of the Constitution

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...efusing-to-discuss-the-federalist-papers.html


come here and discuss it

 

[Truthmatters]

There is a good reason they wont discuss this MAJOR part of our history.


Its how the constitution got passed in this country.

yet they dont want to discuss it.


there is good reason why the refuse to discuss it.

First of all the federalist papers are not the constitution, they are not law.

Secondly what part do you think of the federalist paper Libertarians don't agree with. Try and be incredibly specific.

1) Give a full quote
2) Give your interpretation of that quote
3) Give us the interpretation you think Libertarians would have of that quote
4) Then tell everyone why your interpretation of the quote supersedes the actual law of the constitution.


For instance, Hamilton believed that only the wealthy should run the country... Why do you support that idea so much TM?


Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson


Federalists

Leader: Alexander Hamilton

Favored:

• Rule by the wealthy class
• Strong federal government
• Emphasis on manufacturing
• Loose interpretation of the Constitution


Democratic-Republicans

Leader: Thomas Jefferson

Favored:

• Rule by the people
• Strong state governments
• Emphasis on agriculture
• Strict interpretation of the Constitution

why were they called the federalist papers?

 

[IlarMeilyr]

I TOLD you she can't do it.

 

[Truthmatters]

stop hiding from me and state your cases

 

[Truthmatters]

dear idiots at first only land owners could vote.

 

[Truthmatters]

U.S. Voting Rights | Infoplease.com


When the Constitution was written, only white male property owners (about 10 to 16 percent of the nation's population) had the vote. Over the past two centuries, though, the term "government by the people" has become a reality. During the early 1800s, states gradually dropped property requirements for voting. Later, groups that had been excluded previously gained the right to vote. Other reforms made the process fairer and easier.
1790 Only white male adult property-owners have the right to vote. 1810 Last religious prerequisite for voting is eliminated. 1850 Property ownership and tax requirements eliminated by 1850. Almost all adult white males could vote. 1855 Connecticut adopts the nation's first literacy test for voting. Massachusetts follows suit in 1857. The tests were implemented to discriminate against Irish-Catholic immigrants. 1870 The 15th Amendment is passed. It gives former slaves the right to vote and protects the voting rights of adult male citizens of any race. 1889 Florida adopts a poll tax. Ten other southern states will implement poll taxes. 1890 Mississippi adopts a literacy test to keep African Americans from voting. Numerous other states—not just in the south—also establish literacy tests. However, the tests also exclude many whites from voting. To get around this, states add grandfather clauses that allow those who could vote before 1870, or their descendants, to vote regardless of literacy or tax qualifications. 1913 The 17th Amendment calls for members of the U.S. Senate to be elected directly by the people instead of State Legislatures. 1915 Oklahoma was the last state to append a grandfather clause to its literacy requirement (1910). In Guinn v. United States the Supreme Court rules that the clause is in conflict with the 15th Amendment, thereby outlawing literacy tests for federal elections. 1920 The 19th Amendment guarantees women's suffrage.

Read more: U.S. Voting Rights | Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/timelines/voting.html#ixzz2SXEl4sU2

 

[IlarMeilyr]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...efusing-to-discuss-the-federalist-papers.html

liar

Citing a thread where you don't do it is hardly convincing evidence that you can do it or ever have, you fuckwit.

Take it slowly. I know it's difficult for a brainless rat twat like you.

Pick ANY of the alleged "right wing memes" you previously alluded to. Your choice. (But do back it up by showing how it "is" a right wing meme. We decline to take your claims at face value since you are dishonest.)

THEN, pick ANY of the Federalist Papers and cite it and quote the most relevant portion of it. Even a dipshit like you OUGHT to be able to handle that much.

Then, using those "word things" you have so much trouble with, try to set forth the argument in support of your claim that The Federalist Papers undermine the right wing memes. Starting with even one such alleged "meme" would be a step in the right direction.

Make your case.

OR, if that's too hard for yiou and your pin head, at LEAST try to spell out what it is you imagine any of The Federalist Papers say.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

You're asking way too much from TM.