Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth “Immediately” Revoking General Mark Milley’s Security Detail and Security Clearance

Where did you get that figure? His retirement should be about $150,000 after 30 years as he maxed out the pay scale.

Other than that, you are 100% correct.
He is a 4-star general and they do very well financially. I think he had 42 years of service. But you could be right because no two websites seem to agree and there seem to be a lot of variables.
 
He is a 4-star general and they do very well financially. I think he had 42 years of service. But you could be right because no two websites seem to agree and there seem to be a lot of variables.
The important question is how did he amass those millions?
 
I didn't say prosecute, though when he is called in to Congress, and lies he can be indicted for that, and the legality of a preemptive pardon is not set at all.
Well first you have to get him to lie and you can prove it. After all, he admitted telling the Chinese that he would warn them if Trump tried something. Why would he lie now?
 
Well first you have to get him to lie and you can prove it. After all, he admitted telling the Chinese that he would warn them if Trump tried something. Why would he lie now?
Agreed. That's why I think they are going to test the validity of those "pardons".
 
He is a 4-star general and they do very well financially. I think he had 42 years of service. But you could be right because no two websites seem to agree and there seem to be a lot of variables.
 
Pardons are not able to be challenged anywhere in the Constitution. and Nixon was pardoned before he was ever charged. You are dreaming again.
But the definition of pardon, and what the founders intended, CAN be challenged, just as birthright citizenship and the intention there,

Clearly, the pardon authority was intended to give a president final say-so over what he saw as a miscarriage of justice, pardoning a defendant for a crime he was unjustly imprisoned for - or even accused of. It was not intended to pardon people for shit, currently undiscovered, that they MAY have done, going back 10 years.

it’s a case I hope the SCOTUS takes up. With five conservatives, it’s a good possibility they will. I bet Alito and Thomas want to.
 
But the definition of pardon, and what the founders intended, CAN be challenged, just as birthright citizenship and the intention there,

Clearly, the pardon authority was intended to give a president final say-so over what he saw as a miscarriage of justice, pardoning a defendant for a crime he was unjustly imprisoned for - or even accused of. It was not intended to pardon people for shit, currently undiscovered, that they MAY have done, going back 10 years.

it’s a case I hope the SCOTUS takes up. With five conservatives, it’s a good possibility they will. I bet Alito and Thomas want to.
So you want to use the opposite tactic from birthright citizenship for pardons? That's called hypocrisy. The issue of Presidental Pardons was well-debated by the Founding Fathers. They made it so that the pardon could not be challenged by other two branches making it absolute. In effect, there is no check or balance for pardons. It has built in restrictions, and that is all.

Biden pardoned his family and the others because he knew there was a possibility that they could be prosecuted by a vengeful Trump administration just like he did to Trump during his term, whether they actually did anything or not. Biden is a douchebag and a criminal, but he has the power and no one really wants that power taken away from the President because Trump can do the same damn thing if the Democrats win reelection in 2028. Personally, I think there will be a snowballs chance in hell of that happening, but politics is funny sometimes.

He didn't pardon himself because he knew that Trump will likely not prosecute him because everyone knows he is a dementia-ridden old bastard who can't control his sphincter. Robert Hurr nailed it. he also didn't want Trump to have a precedent to do that for himself should the Democrats win a future election. Whoever is running him is pretty sharp!
 
But the definition of pardon, and what the founders intended, CAN be challenged, just as birthright citizenship and the intention there,

Clearly, the pardon authority was intended to give a president final say-so over what he saw as a miscarriage of justice, pardoning a defendant for a crime he was unjustly imprisoned for - or even accused of. It was not intended to pardon people for shit, currently undiscovered, that they MAY have done, going back 10 years.

it’s a case I hope the SCOTUS takes up. With five conservatives, it’s a good possibility they will. I bet Alito and Thomas want to.
There are 6.
 
The important question is how did he amass those millions?
When you make good money for decades and manage and invest it wisely, you probably have no major debts and your net worth increases pretty rapidly. And since his retirement he has been on a speaking tour and you know woke folk pay their speakers very well. So it could all be completely legit.

But yeah, when you are collaborating with the Chinese in a way that for all practical purposes looks like treason, you wonder whether there is a payoff. And it was that collaboration that is the justification for losing his security clearance and security detail.

And again he certainly has the money to hire body guards if he feels his person is in jeopardy.
 
Well first you have to get him to lie and you can prove it. After all, he admitted telling the Chinese that he would warn them if Trump tried something. Why would he lie now?
Hard to say how he would testify. I don't recall that he admitted anything but was outed by I think Bob Woodward and somebody else in a book published after Trump 45 left office.
 
When you make good money for decades and manage and invest it wisely, you probably have no major debts and your net worth increases pretty rapidly. And since his retirement he has been on a speaking tour and you know woke folk pay their speakers very well. So it could all be completely legit.

But yeah, when you are collaborating with the Chinese in a way that for all practical purposes looks like treason, you wonder whether there is a payoff. And it was that collaboration that is the justification for losing his security clearance and security detail.

And again he certainly has the money to hire body guards if he feels his person is in jeopardy.
It really depends on how much money.

On one hand, it is true that anyone earning an upper-middle class salary (say $100,000) for decades can - and should - retire with a net worth of $1 million to $2 million. All it requires is a paid-off house and putting in maximum contributions to one’s 401K (or equivalent) and living in such a way to allow that max contribtuion.

But if someone, especially a high-ranking military man who collaborated with America’s enemies because he decided the U.S. President was a dictator, ends up with $3 million, $4 million, $5 million or more, it is suspicious.
 
It really depends on how much money.

On one hand, it is true that anyone earning an upper-middle class salary (say $100,000) for decades can - and should - retire with a net worth of $1 million to $2 million. All it requires is a paid-off house and putting in maximum contributions to one’s 401K (or equivalent) and living in such a way to allow that max contribtuion.

But if someone, especially a high-ranking military man who collaborated with America’s enemies because he decided the U.S. President was a dictator, ends up with $3 million, $4 million, $5 million or more, it is suspicious.
Mark Kelley from Arizona has significant "investments" in china.
 
It really depends on how much money.

On one hand, it is true that anyone earning an upper-middle class salary (say $100,000) for decades can - and should - retire with a net worth of $1 million to $2 million. All it requires is a paid-off house and putting in maximum contributions to one’s 401K (or equivalent) and living in such a way to allow that max contribtuion.

But if someone, especially a high-ranking military man who collaborated with America’s enemies because he decided the U.S. President was a dictator, ends up with $3 million, $4 million, $5 million or more, it is suspicious.
I agree there is a smell but I can't say unequivocally that this doesn't meet the smell test. I resist accusing anybody just because it looks bad even with those who I believe betrayed their oath of office and all of us. That's the Democrat/leftists M.O.

Do I think General Milley betrayed his oath of office. Yes I do assuming he did collaborate with the Chinese against the Commander in Chief, and so far even the most radical TDS afflicted MSM/legacy media has not disputed that.

Do I know there was a payoff for that? No I don't. My sense of ethics says we have to be very careful about accusing people without reasonably credible facts.
 
I agree there is a smell but I can't say unequivocally that this doesn't meet the smell test. I resist accusing anybody just because it looks bad even with those who I believe betrayed their oath of office and all of us. That's the Democrat/leftists M.O.

Do I think General Milley betrayed his oath of office. Yes I do assuming he did collaborate with the Chinese against the Commander in Chief, and so far even the most radical TDS afflicted MSM/legacy media has not disputed that.

Do I know there was a payoff for that? No I don't. My sense of ethics says we have to be very careful about accusing people without reasonably credible facts.
Actually, it really doesn’t matter if there was a payoff. That would make the situation worse, of course, but Milley’s collaboration with the enemy - assuring them he would warn of any incoming military strike - is alone sufficient for treason charges. At the minimum, he should be demoted of rank and stripped of his pension - and be thankful that’s his entire penalty for his treason.
 
Actually, it really doesn’t matter if there was a payoff. That would make the situation worse, of course, but Milley’s collaboration with the enemy - assuring them he would warn of any incoming military strike - is alone sufficient for treason charges. At the minimum, he should be demoted of rank and stripped of his pension - and be thankful that’s his entire penalty for his treason.
Pardoned. EOS.
 

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