Democrats: If the DOGE Savings allow and Prompt Trump to Send you a $5,000 Check, what will You do with the Money?

[beagle9]

There’s never going to be any $5K. It’s only a MAGA pipedream. Any savings are going to Space X and EV grants. You didn’t think Elon was doing this for you, did you?!

No one cares, it was the topic that is being debated that is the important thing here, because hopefully it opens people's eye's like Seymore is articulating just fine in this thread.

 

[ElmerMudd]

That is the answer that I would expect. I was a traditionally conservative Republican for many years. I heard every GOP president and every GOP presidential candidate talk about reducing the fraud and waste inherent in our bloated government.

Then, administration after administration, I saw them do little if anything about that Fraud Waste and Abuse. Jimmy Carter was the first president that I heard use that phrase. I understood that he was a big tax/big borrow/big print/big spend Democrat and that his claims to be able to find savings by eliminating Fraud Waste and Abuse were but a smoke screen for continuing the spending spree. I was in high school, and I understood that.

It took me a while to understand that the Republicans were actually doing the same thing. Spending bill after spending bill, they passed, allowing as much wasteful spending as the Democrats wanted to shove into each, so long as the Democrats allowed them their own pork. As far as I know, every member of what the left media called "the Clown Car," i.e. the opponents of Donald Trump in the 2016 primary were Republicans who had done that, and gave no indication that they would not continue to do that. Rand Paul was arguably something of an exception.

Then I would wonder why you are not cheering Trump on for doing so.

How much does that matter?

Taking the most notable person who has been described as a member of the Trump administration who got rich by taking from the government, Elon Musk: Whose fault was it that people purchasing Teslas were heavily subsidized by the government eager to promote electric vehicles? Musk, or the people voted for and signed off on spending bills with those subsidies?

Must members of the administration to have a pure record of never taking government subsidies? Given the amount of money the government takes from successful people such as Elon Musk, how realistic is it to expect that they did not take opportunities to get some back? I'd prefer to elect a lawmaker with a pure record of never passing a spending bill that robbed the middle class and gave to the rich, and/or robbed the middle class to pay for programs that keep the poor poor.

Know any traditional Republicans who can make that claim?

If Musk is finding and eliminating waste and abuse, does it matter that he once got legal subsidies that were voted in by Democrats and Republicans?

The reasons all politicians add to the debt is because they buy votes with promised programs, lower taxes. When elected they have to deliver; at least partially. They all do. Democrats tend to add more programs where Republicans cut taxes when we cannot afford to.
IT IS THE FAULT OF THE VOTERS. You cannot get elected unless you over promise. And then they have to deliver, at least partially.
If any politician promised a fiscal responsible agenda he or she would never be elected.
Trump is the worst. Look what he did his first term. He is turning the administartion into the joke of the world. A true clown show. His tax cut are far from fiscally responsible. Look at the stock market since he took over. Look at inflation. Look at our credibility worlwide;
I bet when he is done, the debt will be substantially larger if there is any USA left.

 

[San Souci]

The creator behind the proposal to issue $5,000 "DOGE dividend" stimulus checks to American taxpayers has updated the eligibility requirements.

James Fishback recently clarified the eligibility requirements, saying anyone who files a federal income tax return and pays federal income tax would qualify.

"If you file a federal income tax return—if you pay federal income tax, which is to say that you worked—you would receive a DOGE dividend check. That individual and their household would benefit from this payment," Fishback told Steve Ram on Ram's podcast.

DOGE stimulus check update: Eligibility requirements detailed by creator

James Fishback said that anyone who files a federal income tax return and pays federal income tax would qualify.

www.newsweek.com

Have to look at the fine print to know if people who worked and paid taxes, but got back more than they paid in as part of the "refundable tax credit" will be eligible. That would leave many Democrats out.

But if you are among those of us who will be eligible, how will you spend it?

True. Dems all collect Welfare or attend Commie Colleges to "Protest".

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I never brought up support for Ukraine. You don't know my stance on Ukraine. You are an idiot.
You have stock criticism, you throw out, that was given to you by Trump and MAGA. You cannot think for yourself.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The reasons all politicians add to the debt is because they buy votes with promised programs, lower taxes. When elected they have to deliver; at least partially. They all do. Democrats tend to add more programs where Republicans cut taxes when we cannot afford to.
IT IS THE FAULT OF THE VOTERS. You cannot get elected unless you over promise. And then they have to deliver, at least partially.
If any politician promised a fiscal responsible agenda he or she would never be elected.

Much truth in that.

I reject the concept of "we" being able to "afford" or "not afford" tax cuts. We do not get tax money, the government does. Cutting spending is the only way to reduce the deficit. Our progressive graduated income tax means that tax increases are automatic as people move into higher tax brackets with no increase in real income.

Government will always find a way to spend the money we make available to them. Cutting taxes and cutting spending

Would it be better to use the 5K per tax payer to reduce the deficit, or pay down debt? Far better. But that's not the option because government won't do that. At least put it in the hands of producers where it will be a real stimulus.

Trump is the worst. Look what he did his first term. He is turning the administartion into the joke of the world. A true clown show. His tax cut are far from fiscally responsible. Look at the stock market since he took over. Look at inflation. Look at our credibility worlwide;
I bet when he is done, the debt will be substantially larger if there is any USA left.

Yes, and he's had nearly three whole months to fix four years of Biden's and the Democrats' craziness!

Give me a break, you cannot really believe all that.

Trump is mitigating the emergency created by the Biden illegal immigration madness, while being fought at every turn by Democrats who want it to continue. He can and has run the border with strength and certainty. The economy is much more nebulous to try and control in any way, much less achieve the instant improvement you claim to expect.

As far as our "credibility nationwide," the time is long past for us to worry about what our protectorates and dependents say about our "credibility." Which nations have become so disgusted with our president that they have permanently - or even temporarily - refused all United States aid and defense?

 

[Seymour Flops]

True. Dems all collect Welfare or attend Commie Colleges to "Protest".

Yes, they have made student aid and loan another form of welfare.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Much truth in that.

I reject the concept of "we" being able to "afford" or "not afford" tax cuts. We do not get tax money, the government does. Cutting spending is the only way to reduce the deficit. Our progressive graduated income tax means that tax increases are automatic as people move into higher tax brackets with no increase in real income.

Government will always find a way to spend the money we make available to them. Cutting taxes and cutting spending

Would it be better to use the 5K per tax payer to reduce the deficit, or pay down debt? Far better. But that's not the option because government won't do that. At least put it in the hands of producers where it will be a real stimulus.

Yes, and he's had nearly three whole months to fix four years of Biden's and the Democrats' craziness!

Give me a break, you cannot really believe all that.

Trump is mitigating the emergency created by the Biden illegal immigration madness, while being fought at every turn by Democrats who want it to continue. He can and has run the border with strength and certainty. The economy is much more nebulous to try and control in any way, much less achieve the instant improvement you claim to expect.

As far as our "credibility nationwide," the time is long past for us to worry about what our protectorates and dependents say about our "credibility." Which nations have become so disgusted with our president that they have permanently - or even temporarily - refused all United States aid and defense?

You say - We do not get tax money, the government does.
But the citizens get the benefit of what most of taxes pay for.

Cut taxes then cut what the government does for the citizens
military
infrastructure
education
fire
police
Disaster relief
legal resolution of citizen disputes
Retirement
Medical

 

[M14 Shooter]

New answer:
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[Invisibleflash]

Put it in a CD or money market.

Huh??

You are not going to buy more out of date, useless guns?

 

[Invisibleflash]

$5,000??

Preps

 

[Seymour Flops]

You say - We do not get tax money, the government does.
But the citizens get the benefit of what most of taxes pay for.

Cut taxes then cut what the government does for the citizens
military
infrastructure
education
fire
police
Disaster relief
legal resolution of citizen disputes
Retirement
Medical

Sure, those are the legit government fictions. Some are legit FEDERAL functions.

Fire and police are local, and disaster relief can be left to states much more efficiently. Education is state and local.

Medical and retirement seemed like a good idea for federal government, but most of us realize that’s about to play out.

The US government operated fine for almost a hundred years with no income tax at all. But now you say we can’t get by if we don’t raise the above their already absurd levels?

 

[ElmerMudd]

Sure, those are the legit government fictions. Some are legit FEDERAL functions.

Fire and police are local, and disaster relief can be left to states much more efficiently. Education is state and local.

Medical and retirement seemed like a good idea for federal government, but most of us realize that’s about to play out.

The US government operated fine for almost a hundred years with no income tax at all. But now you say we can’t get by if we don’t raise the above their already absurd levels?

The world is a lot different from those days. First there were not 340 million people. Most people lived off the land. They did not need government services. Businesses were local so infrastructure was not required.
People lived off less than $5000 a year.
The world has changed. Government has had to change. You need to catch up with the times.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The world is a lot different from those days. First there were not 340 million people. Most people lived off the land. They did not need government services. Businesses were local so infrastructure was not required.
People lived off less than $5000 a year.
The world has changed. Government has had to change. You need to catch up with the times.

Yeah.

This is why I, and the majority of voters, lost interest in the blatherings of "conservative Republicans," interested only in maintaining the status quo, feeding the MIC and making sure they get along with the Democrats by modeling their governance after theirs rather than the expectations of their voters.

It is "Conservative Republicans" who need to catch up with the times. This is the time of Donald Trump, and it will not be followed by a return of old-school, do-nothing, talk-only ConReps.

 

[otto105]

Yeah.

This is why I, and the majority of voters lost interest in the blatherings of "conservative Republicans."

It is Conservative Republicans" who need ot catch up with the times. This is the time of Donald Trump, and it will not be followed by a return of old-school, do-nothing, talk-only ConReps.

Yeah! It’s time to fuckup everything.

 

[Seymour Flops]

$5,000??

Preps

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Good.

I think all TDS LibDems should get microbangs.

The only way they could possibly look more stupid than they already do.

 

[kyzr]

Good.
I think all TDS LibDems should get microbangs.
The only way they could possibly look more stupid than they already do.

I just remembered where I saw microbangs...

 

[Coyote]

I would be impressed if you did that!

It would be like blood money.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Yeah.

This is why I, and the majority of voters, lost interest in the blatherings of "conservative Republicans," interested only in maintaining the status quo, feeding the MIC and making sure they get along with the Democrats by modeling their governance after theirs rather than the expectations of their voters.

It is "Conservative Republicans" who need to catch up with the times. This is the time of Donald Trump, and it will not be followed by a return of old-school, do-nothing, talk-only ConReps.

We will see what Trump and MAGA come up with. My biggest concern is we still have our government as set up by the founding fathers. A government with sepertion of powers to make sure there is not a king. Trump is destroying seperation of power. An authoritarian government is great when the king or dictator wants the same thing as you. If we end up with an authoritarian Presidency, the next President could be a whacked out left winger. See what happens then without a check on the presidents power.

 

[Seymour Flops]

It would be like blood money.

We will see what Trump and MAGA come up with. My biggest concern is we still have our government as set up by the founding fathers. A government with sepertion of powers to make sure there is not a king. Trump is destroying seperation of power. An authoritarian government is great when the king or dictator wants the same thing as you. If we end up with an authoritarian Presidency, the next President could be a whacked out left winger. See what happens then without a check on the presidents power.

Seriously, you Democrats and “conservative Republicans” are never gonna win another election if you keep talking like that. Every time you say something like that, you insult, the majority of voters who voted for Trump.

People are smart enough to understand that a president exercising executive authority is exactly what the constitution says the president should do. They also know that Joe Biden was far more guilty of “ignoring the courts” than Trump has been so far.

Maybe you think Trump should take the Joe Biden strategy of having an action ruled against and then doing the same action with some slight change.

True, Trumper are just as quick to insult Democrats. But now that the DNC has decided that it’s better to just pick the presidential nominee themselves, I suppose being a democrat voter doesn’t mean as much as it used to.

Plus, which, and this is a part that astound me, democrat leaders, and senior politicians are directly insulting people who vote for Donald Trump. Trump says a lot of mean things about a lot of people, but I don’t remember him ever saying that people who vote for Biden are Nazis, fascist, communist, idiots etc.

Anonymous Trumper on this forum say that all the time, but not Donald Trump nor any other Republican politician that I know of.

 

[konradv]

Seriously, you Democrats and “conservative Republicans” are never gonna win another election if you keep talking like that. Every time you say something like that, you insult, the majority of voters who voted for Trump.

People are smart enough to understand that a president exercising executive authority is exactly what the constitution says the president should do. They also know that Joe Biden was far more guilty of “ignoring the courts” than Trump has been so far.

Maybe you think Trump should take the Joe Biden strategy of having an action ruled against and then doing the same action with some slight change.

True, Trumper are just as quick to insult Democrats. But now that the DNC has decided that it’s better to just pick the presidential nominee themselves, I suppose being a democrat voter doesn’t mean as much as it used to.

Plus, which, and this is a part that astound me, democrat leaders, and senior politicians are directly insulting people who vote for Donald Trump. Trump says a lot of mean things about a lot of people, but I don’t remember him ever saying that people who vote for Biden are Nazis, fascist, communist, idiots etc.

Anonymous Trumper on this forum say that all the time, but not Donald Trump nor any other Republican politician that I know of.

MAGA lies.