Democrats say "You cannot touch Social Security, Medicaire and Medicaid!"

[JoeB131]

Ever read every abortion is immoral except mine? Same with disability. I've seen many people say one thing but when it happens to them, they change their tune. They lack empathy. Just like most people who say they'd go work at McD before they filed for unemployment insurance, is a liar. The first thing they do is file and justify it. Suddenly they get it.

That's great to hear it's $1900 a month at 63. I wonder what it is at 62? $1900 a month would be enough for me. I won't be mad if I get $2000 a month for the rest of my life. But I have over $600K in savings and should have $1 million when I reach 62. God willing. So I'll live off the interest plus the $2000. So $75K a year.

Disability has become a bit too liberal. This crack head living next to me. She gets the best tennis shoes. Because she has diabetes. She gets massages, medicines, free ubers to and from the doctors.

Ok, I'm totally turning into a Republican. I'm doing what they do. I'm saying "hey, why does she have it so good and I don't? Take that away from her"

Instead I should be saying "we should all have it that good".

I think there's a saying the Safety Net should never become a hammock.

But for too many people, it is.

 

[sealybobo]

Said who? The leftwing media?

So you don't even know it has been debunked. You live in a vacuum.

 

[Mac-7]

No, what I'm saying is don't cut my benefits. Don't raise my age. I'm 54 and planning to retire at 62 and I want the full amount promised to me. That's what I mean. And medicare. I want what my grandmother and father got. Not what Dr. Oz is trying to sell us. His option sucks. When people go on it, and get sick, they go right back on the old plan. Because his plan sucks.

If you get rid of the waste, fraud and abuse GREAT! That should strengthen those programs right?

My impression is that changes to Medicare and SS will not apply to 54 year olds

But assuming your worst fears come true, would you rather have to wait till 63 to go fishing with no pay cut OR still retire at 62 but with 25% less money because the system is bankrupt?

 

[sealybobo]

My impression is that changes to Medicare and SS will not apply to 54 year olds

But assuming your worst fears come true, would you rather have to wait till 63 to go fishing OR still retire at 62 but with 25% less money because the system is bankrupt?

Well seeing as how I'm not waiting till 65, I'd be inclined to take the 25% hit. Life is short. And because of healthcare, I'm probably going to continue working till I'm 65. And no, I would not want to have to work till I'm 66. That would really piss me off.

I may just tell them I am working remote or I quit. I'll even take a pay cut to work remote for the rest of my time from 62 to 65. Plus insurance.

I would be shocked but also not surprised if Republican voters bent over and took it. Not only take it but defend it like you're doing. Meanwhile billionaires are getting tax breaks. How dumb are we?

 

[Mac-7]

I'm probably going to continue working till I'm 65. And no, I would not want to have to work till I'm 66. That would really piss me off.

You change your story a lot

Previously you demanded to retire at 62

 

[sealybobo]

You change your story a lot

Previously you demanded to retire at 62

Just being honest. When I reach 62, I'll probably see what healthcare costs are and decide to work till I'm 65.

And my job is easy. So I say 62 but when I get to be 62, why give up $90K a year when the job is easy? And I may tell my company I'm going to work remote 100% of the time and if they don't like it I will retire. They won't let me retire.

And does an old age home eat up the $400K my dad might leave me?

Inflation?

The good thing for me is my brother has places in Florida, Greece and Up North Michigan. So I can live baller even on a fixed income.

Yesterday I said I'd probably be living off $75K when I retire. That might not be a lot in 8 years. That might be like $50K today.

 

[Mashmont]

So you don't even know it has been debunked. You live in a vacuum.

That's the point. It hasn't been debunked. Some disgruntled fired former deep-state head said so. Means nothing.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Except there's no evidence that this constitutes all that much.

The government's own estimates that erroneous payments from Social Security constitute only about 10 Billion a year out of a 1.5 TRILLION dollar budget.

Medicare, it's less than 60 Billion out of a 1 Trillion dollar budget.

What? I worked in healthcare over 30 years. The Feds have estimated at least 25% of Medicare funds are lost due to waste, fraud, and abuse. And there is a mountain of evidence to support this.

 

[Robert W]

Except there's no evidence that this constitutes all that much.

The government's own estimates that erroneous payments from Social Security constitute only about 10 Billion a year out of a 1.5 TRILLION dollar budget.

Medicare, it's less than 60 Billion out of a 1 Trillion dollar budget.

So, Democrats Al Gore flat out lied when he and Clinton did the same thing? Come on JoeB131, check out earlier attempts.

 

[Robert W]

What? I worked in healthcare over 30 years. The Feds have estimated at least 25% of Medicare funds are lost due to waste, fraud, and abuse. And there is a mountain of evidence to support this.

Democrats pretend there is no overhead out of their funds sent to the Feds. And they blindly believe what they get from the feds is free of all charges.

 

[Robert W]

who says we are in a "mess"?

The best estimate is that only 10 Billion of Waste, Fraud, Abuse, and Error occurs in Social Security. That's less than 1% of what they pay out every year for people who are dependent on SS to eat and keep a roof over their heads.

Do you know why we rarely throw out Congress-critters? Because these guys have staffs who are very, very good at making sure Nana gets her monthly checks. Once Musk and his Nazi Trolls start fucking with Nana's check, you are going to have some very angry people out there.

I'm all for it. I want Trump to fail. I want people to be angry.

But you guys might want to think twice about it.

Why is corruption okay with you JoeB131?

 

[JoeB131]

Why is corruption okay with you JoeB131?

It isn't, I voted against Trump.

A couple of billionaires telling old people they are getting too much seems about as corrupt as you can get.

 

[Robert W]

It isn't, I voted against Trump.

A couple of billionaires telling old people they are getting too much seems about as corrupt as you can get.

By blowing off Trump, you support corruption JoeB131

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

After the DemonicRats have drained 90% of OUR hard earned money paid for SS, there isn't much left for anybody to do anything WITH.

Why do you post shit that has been debunked a gazillion times over? Social security funds are loaned to the federal government to pay for the general expenses of the nation in the budget. There is no bank where these funds are held in some secret account, gaining interest.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

As long as politicians can steal from SS it will never really be safe.

That's why they started taxing it in '84, so they could steal even more to bring the Soviets down. Those new taxes did not go into the fund to strengthen it, mostly they went to the MIC and they didn't even bother to leave an IOU.

The same will happen to monies recovered by stopping WF&A.....It will just be sucked away instead of used to quit taxing our SS benefits.

Ha! Have you ever seen a tax levied for so long go away?

BTW......At 62 you get the reduced rate anyway.....66 and 10 months for full benefits.

What fund? The average person has no f-ing clue as to how SS works despite it having been explained of this forum hundreds of times since I joined. There is no bank account where excess SS dollars go. SS pays out benefits and then loans the money to pay for expenses of the government. It serves as an IOU for the budget. Doing it any other way would be stupid.

 

[JoeB131]

By blowing off Trump, you support corruption JoeB131

Trump is corruption incarnate.

He's always been a two-bit hustler from the time Nixon sued him for being a slumlord.