Detailed major study: immigration is a net loss for US

[rhodescholar]

Current Immigration Does Not Economically Benefit Ordinary US Citizens

"Finally, the report examines the fiscal impact of immigration, considering eight different scenarios. In all scenarios, immigrants as a group are in fiscal deficit; the total federal, state, and local government benefits they receive are greater than the total taxes they pay, in both the first and second generations. The NAS report shatters any contention that immigration, as structured in recent decades, contributes to overall government solvency. The opposite is true.

The report makes clear that immigrants without a high school diploma, on average, generate substantial fiscal deficits, paying less in taxes than they receive in benefits in every scenario examined. By contrast, across all scenarios, immigrants with a college degree or more create a fiscal surplus. Thus, the fiscal impact of immigration depends on the educational balance within the immigrant population. Based on the report’s findings, both the economic and fiscal impact of immigration can be improved in the future by reducing the number of low skill immigrants and increasing the number of high skill immigrants."
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No surprise there, those future democraptic party voters sneaking across the border and gleefully living off the US taxpayer are going to lead to a mass uprising, and hopefully the end of the democraptic party. It will also hopefully lead to the end of the NYT and other cheerleaders/apologists for mass illegal immigration and legal immigration, which the US desperately needs a 25 year + time out from.

 

[Fenton Lum]

If your "job creator" class had not and did not continually lobby for the presence of labor more exploitable than americans, they would not be here.

 

[Ravi]

Funny, different articles come to the opposite conclusion:

The National Academy of Science’s report confirms what we have always known — that immigrants make vital contributions to our nation’s economy. The study’s comprehensive research revealed what we see here in Nashville — immigrants contribute to economic growth, innovation and entrepreneurship.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/opi...ademy-science-immigrants-benefit-us/93199770/

 

[rhodescholar]

If your "job creator" class had not and did not continually lobby for the presence of labor more exploitable than americans, they would not be here.

Asshole, when did I EVER support the corporate wing of the republican party? Being conservative does NOT mean one is pro-corporate america, dimwit.

 

[rhodescholar]

Funny, different articles come to the opposite conclusion:

The National Academy of Science’s report confirms what we have always known — that immigrants make vital contributions to our nation’s economy. The study’s comprehensive research revealed what we see here in Nashville — immigrants contribute to economic growth, innovation and entrepreneurship.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/opi...ademy-science-immigrants-benefit-us/93199770/

Even a moron knows that an illegal mother with no education with 2 kids in tow and another just born in the US is not going to earn a salary that can posssibly pay for the 3 free public school educations and free healthcare plus welfare and benefits they will receive. Even if she works on the books, she will earn less in TOTAL salary than the taxes needed to cover their benefits.

Why the fuck this is even argued any more is a sign so many people in the US are wholly incapable of thinking for themselves.

 

[Toro]

From the article

By contrast, across all scenarios, immigrants with a college degree or more create a fiscal surplus. Thus, the fiscal impact of immigration depends on the educational balance within the immigrant population. Based on the report’s findings, both the economic and fiscal impact of immigration can be improved in the future by reducing the number of low skill immigrants and increasing the number of high skill immigrants.​

It's tough finding construction workers where we are right now.

 

[Richard-H]

Current Immigration Does Not Economically Benefit Ordinary US Citizens

"Finally, the report examines the fiscal impact of immigration, considering eight different scenarios. In all scenarios, immigrants as a group are in fiscal deficit; the total federal, state, and local government benefits they receive are greater than the total taxes they pay, in both the first and second generations. The NAS report shatters any contention that immigration, as structured in recent decades, contributes to overall government solvency. The opposite is true.

The report makes clear that immigrants without a high school diploma, on average, generate substantial fiscal deficits, paying less in taxes than they receive in benefits in every scenario examined. By contrast, across all scenarios, immigrants with a college degree or more create a fiscal surplus. Thus, the fiscal impact of immigration depends on the educational balance within the immigrant population. Based on the report’s findings, both the economic and fiscal impact of immigration can be improved in the future by reducing the number of low skill immigrants and increasing the number of high skill immigrants."
===============================

No surprise there, those future democraptic party voters sneaking across the border and gleefully living off the US taxpayer are going to lead to a mass uprising, and hopefully the end of the democraptic party. It will also hopefully lead to the end of the NYT and other cheerleaders/apologists for mass illegal immigration and legal immigration, which the US desperately needs a 25 year + time out from.

This study only views immigrants affect on taxes. It does not take into account their contribution to the economy as a whole thru their labor, nor does it take into account the increased in wealth by their employers who pay them considerably less than they would pay American or the increase tax revenues that their employers pay.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Funny, different articles come to the opposite conclusion:

The National Academy of Science’s report confirms what we have always known — that immigrants make vital contributions to our nation’s economy. The study’s comprehensive research revealed what we see here in Nashville — immigrants contribute to economic growth, innovation and entrepreneurship.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/opi...ademy-science-immigrants-benefit-us/93199770/

Contributing to =/= balancing out what they take

Derp

 

[80zephyr]

Funny, different articles come to the opposite conclusion:

The National Academy of Science’s report confirms what we have always known — that immigrants make vital contributions to our nation’s economy. The study’s comprehensive research revealed what we see here in Nashville — immigrants contribute to economic growth, innovation and entrepreneurship.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/opi...ademy-science-immigrants-benefit-us/93199770/

The author of the article: Renata Soto is co-founder and executive director of Conexión Américas. She also chairs the board of the National Council of La Raza.

Hmm. Why do I get the feeling this is propaganda?

Mark

 

[Ravi]

Funny, different articles come to the opposite conclusion:

The National Academy of Science’s report confirms what we have always known — that immigrants make vital contributions to our nation’s economy. The study’s comprehensive research revealed what we see here in Nashville — immigrants contribute to economic growth, innovation and entrepreneurship.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/opi...ademy-science-immigrants-benefit-us/93199770/

The author of the article: Renata Soto is co-founder and executive director of Conexión Américas. She also chairs the board of the National Council of La Raza.

Hmm. Why do I get the feeling this is propaganda?

Mark

LOL! The OP was CNS so I'd say my link and his were non-credible.

Here are some that are more credible:

The report by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine found that immigrant workers in the U.S. – both legal and illegal – have the effect of increasing both wages and jobs for educated native-born workers over a decade or more.

The report, Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration, also found immigrant workers reduce the prices of goods and services in specific industries, including childcare, food preparation and construction.

Study: Influx of immigrants is overall boost to U.S. workers, economy

Immigrants are essential to economic growth in America. That is the conclusion of a recent report on The Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration released by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS).

What are the three reasons why immigrants are important to economic growth? Labor force growth, entrepreneurship and human capital.

3 Reasons Why Immigrants Are Key To Economic Growth

It's just common sense in the end. Americans don't reproduce at high enough rates to sustain the country. Immigration is key to having loyal, productive Americans.

 

[80zephyr]

Funny, different articles come to the opposite conclusion:

The National Academy of Science’s report confirms what we have always known — that immigrants make vital contributions to our nation’s economy. The study’s comprehensive research revealed what we see here in Nashville — immigrants contribute to economic growth, innovation and entrepreneurship.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/opi...ademy-science-immigrants-benefit-us/93199770/

The author of the article: Renata Soto is co-founder and executive director of Conexión Américas. She also chairs the board of the National Council of La Raza.

Hmm. Why do I get the feeling this is propaganda?

Mark

LOL! The OP was CNS so I'd say my link and his were non-credible.

Here are some that are more credible:

The report by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine found that immigrant workers in the U.S. – both legal and illegal – have the effect of increasing both wages and jobs for educated native-born workers over a decade or more.

The report, Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration, also found immigrant workers reduce the prices of goods and services in specific industries, including childcare, food preparation and construction.

Study: Influx of immigrants is overall boost to U.S. workers, economy

Immigrants are essential to economic growth in America. That is the conclusion of a recent report on The Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration released by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS).

What are the three reasons why immigrants are important to economic growth? Labor force growth, entrepreneurship and human capital.

3 Reasons Why Immigrants Are Key To Economic Growth

It's just common sense in the end. Americans don't reproduce at high enough rates to sustain the country. Immigration is key to having loyal, productive Americans.

Could you read your first link and tell me what you think it says?

Mark

 

[rhodescholar]

This study only views immigrants affect on taxes. It does not take into account their contribution to the economy as a whole thru their labor, nor does it take into account the increased in wealth by their employers who pay them considerably less than they would pay American or the increase tax revenues that their employers pay.

What "contribution"? They use VASTLY more services than taxes paid, and their effect on labor is to reduce salaries. The few employers benefitting from the cheaper labor are vastly fewer in number than the collective society at large who has to pay higher taxes to cover the benefits the illegals receive. This is economics 101.

 

[rhodescholar]

LOL! The OP was CNS so I'd say my link and his were non-credible...It's just common sense in the end. Americans don't reproduce at high enough rates to sustain the country. Immigration is key to having loyal, productive Americans.

You have no common sense, at all.

With automation, the US does not need any of the illegals walking across the border, and the country is plenty overpopulated now. Do the rest of us a favor and grow some brains.

 

[bripat9643]

Funny, different articles come to the opposite conclusion:

The National Academy of Science’s report confirms what we have always known — that immigrants make vital contributions to our nation’s economy. The study’s comprehensive research revealed what we see here in Nashville — immigrants contribute to economic growth, innovation and entrepreneurship.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/opi...ademy-science-immigrants-benefit-us/93199770/

Billionaires and immigrants are the only one who benefit from this "growth," so why should the average middle class guy support more immigration?

 

[bripat9643]

Funny, different articles come to the opposite conclusion:

The National Academy of Science’s report confirms what we have always known — that immigrants make vital contributions to our nation’s economy. The study’s comprehensive research revealed what we see here in Nashville — immigrants contribute to economic growth, innovation and entrepreneurship.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/opi...ademy-science-immigrants-benefit-us/93199770/

Even a moron knows that an illegal mother with no education with 2 kids in tow and another just born in the US is not going to earn a salary that can posssibly pay for the 3 free public school educations and free healthcare plus welfare and benefits they will receive. Even if she works on the books, she will earn less in TOTAL salary than the taxes needed to cover their benefits.

Why the fuck this is even argued any more is a sign so many people in the US are wholly incapable of thinking for themselves.

The Dims keep trying to pull the wool over our eyes because they need gullible new voters to replace all the old voters who have gotten wise to their schemes.

 

[bripat9643]

If your "job creator" class had not and did not continually lobby for the presence of labor more exploitable than americans, they would not be here.

Hmmmm,so? What makes you think we agree with the agenda of the "job creator class?" On the other hand, Obama and the Dim party have been doing their bidding.

 

[Jackson]

Funny, different articles come to the opposite conclusion:

The National Academy of Science’s report confirms what we have always known — that immigrants make vital contributions to our nation’s economy. The study’s comprehensive research revealed what we see here in Nashville — immigrants contribute to economic growth, innovation and entrepreneurship.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/opi...ademy-science-immigrants-benefit-us/93199770/

The author of the article: Renata Soto is co-founder and executive director of Conexión Américas. She also chairs the board of the National Council of La Raza.

Hmm. Why do I get the feeling this is propaganda?

Mark

LOL! The OP was CNS so I'd say my link and his were non-credible.

Here are some that are more credible:

The report by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine found that immigrant workers in the U.S. – both legal and illegal – have the effect of increasing both wages and jobs for educated native-born workers over a decade or more.

The report, Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration, also found immigrant workers reduce the prices of goods and services in specific industries, including childcare, food preparation and construction.

Study: Influx of immigrants is overall boost to U.S. workers, economy

Immigrants are essential to economic growth in America. That is the conclusion of a recent report on The Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration released by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS).

What are the three reasons why immigrants are important to economic growth? Labor force growth, entrepreneurship and human capital.

3 Reasons Why Immigrants Are Key To Economic Growth

It's just common sense in the end. Americans don't reproduce at high enough rates to sustain the country. Immigration is key to having loyal, productive Americans.

Interestingly, these two articles (the OP and ravi's) are citing the same report! I would say that the entire report has to be read to get an accurate synopsis of the facts.

In general, I would suspect that immigrants with a higher education would benefit the country, but both the uneducated and the educated are taking jobs away from US citizens. As long as they add to our tax base they could be productive instead of getting subsidies from our government.

In September, the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) published a major report on “The Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration.” The report shows that, other than small number of scientifically educated immigrants, immigration produces little or no overall economic gain for non-immigrants but may cause a substantial shift in income from workers to business and capital owners. Also, immigrants overall produce a fiscal deficit due to the very large inflow of legal and illegal immigrants with low education levels in recent decades.

Current Immigration Does Not Economically Benefit Ordinary US Citizens

Recently I had the opportunity to join a panel of local leaders in Washington, D.C., invited by the Urban Institute to discuss the release of the National Academy of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine report, The Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration, the first comprehensive examination of this issue since 1997.

The National Academy of Science’s report confirms what we have always known — that immigrants make vital contributions to our nation’s economy. The study’s comprehensive research revealed what we see here in Nashville — immigrants contribute to economic growth, innovation and entrepreneurship.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/opi...ademy-science-immigrants-benefit-us/93199770/

 

[danielpalos]

Current Immigration Does Not Economically Benefit Ordinary US Citizens

"Finally, the report examines the fiscal impact of immigration, considering eight different scenarios. In all scenarios, immigrants as a group are in fiscal deficit; the total federal, state, and local government benefits they receive are greater than the total taxes they pay, in both the first and second generations. The NAS report shatters any contention that immigration, as structured in recent decades, contributes to overall government solvency. The opposite is true.

The report makes clear that immigrants without a high school diploma, on average, generate substantial fiscal deficits, paying less in taxes than they receive in benefits in every scenario examined. By contrast, across all scenarios, immigrants with a college degree or more create a fiscal surplus. Thus, the fiscal impact of immigration depends on the educational balance within the immigrant population. Based on the report’s findings, both the economic and fiscal impact of immigration can be improved in the future by reducing the number of low skill immigrants and increasing the number of high skill immigrants."
===============================

No surprise there, those future democraptic party voters sneaking across the border and gleefully living off the US taxpayer are going to lead to a mass uprising, and hopefully the end of the democraptic party. It will also hopefully lead to the end of the NYT and other cheerleaders/apologists for mass illegal immigration and legal immigration, which the US desperately needs a 25 year + time out from.

Just lousy management. It was a "net loss" to the Natives, as well.

It is not a net loss, for us.

 

[bripat9643]

Funny, different articles come to the opposite conclusion:

The National Academy of Science’s report confirms what we have always known — that immigrants make vital contributions to our nation’s economy. The study’s comprehensive research revealed what we see here in Nashville — immigrants contribute to economic growth, innovation and entrepreneurship.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/opi...ademy-science-immigrants-benefit-us/93199770/

The author of the article: Renata Soto is co-founder and executive director of Conexión Américas. She also chairs the board of the National Council of La Raza.

Hmm. Why do I get the feeling this is propaganda?

Mark

LOL! The OP was CNS so I'd say my link and his were non-credible.

Here are some that are more credible:

The report by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine found that immigrant workers in the U.S. – both legal and illegal – have the effect of increasing both wages and jobs for educated native-born workers over a decade or more.

The report, Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration, also found immigrant workers reduce the prices of goods and services in specific industries, including childcare, food preparation and construction.

Study: Influx of immigrants is overall boost to U.S. workers, economy

Immigrants are essential to economic growth in America. That is the conclusion of a recent report on The Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration released by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS).

What are the three reasons why immigrants are important to economic growth? Labor force growth, entrepreneurship and human capital.

3 Reasons Why Immigrants Are Key To Economic Growth

It's just common sense in the end. Americans don't reproduce at high enough rates to sustain the country. Immigration is key to having loyal, productive Americans.

Interestingly, these two articles (the OP and ravi's) are citing the same report! I would say that the entire report has to be read to get an accurate synopsis of the facts.

In general, I would suspect that immigrants with a higher education would benefit the country, but both the uneducated and the educated are taking jobs away from US citizens. As long as they add to our tax base they could be productive instead of getting subsidies from our government.

Immigrants with high education don't benefit Americans with college diplomas. They take the jobs of these Americans. That's why so many millennial college graduates are living in their mother's basement. India has over 200 million people who are college graduates, and corporate American is flooding us with these people because it's cheaper to hire someone where the average wage is $5/hour than to hire a native born American who normally earns $50/hour.

 

[bripat9643]

Current Immigration Does Not Economically Benefit Ordinary US Citizens

"Finally, the report examines the fiscal impact of immigration, considering eight different scenarios. In all scenarios, immigrants as a group are in fiscal deficit; the total federal, state, and local government benefits they receive are greater than the total taxes they pay, in both the first and second generations. The NAS report shatters any contention that immigration, as structured in recent decades, contributes to overall government solvency. The opposite is true.

The report makes clear that immigrants without a high school diploma, on average, generate substantial fiscal deficits, paying less in taxes than they receive in benefits in every scenario examined. By contrast, across all scenarios, immigrants with a college degree or more create a fiscal surplus. Thus, the fiscal impact of immigration depends on the educational balance within the immigrant population. Based on the report’s findings, both the economic and fiscal impact of immigration can be improved in the future by reducing the number of low skill immigrants and increasing the number of high skill immigrants."
===============================

No surprise there, those future democraptic party voters sneaking across the border and gleefully living off the US taxpayer are going to lead to a mass uprising, and hopefully the end of the democraptic party. It will also hopefully lead to the end of the NYT and other cheerleaders/apologists for mass illegal immigration and legal immigration, which the US desperately needs a 25 year + time out from.

Just lousy management. It was a "net loss" to the Natives, as well.

It is not a net loss, for us.

It's a net loss for Americans, moron.