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Up until this week, HOF balloting for elite players was a sham. Two or three voters would intentionally leave a great player off their ballot so he could not be unanimousI say hell no. A few different reasons why I don’t believe he is worthy of his achievement.
A) He failed as a starting pitcher
B) He wasn’t an everyday player
C) baseball didn’t even have closers untill the 1960’s
D) Babe Ruth wasn’t unanimous and he’s the GOAT. Rivera wasn’t the best player of all time. C’mon.
Two things:
Was he deserving to be a first ballot HOF? Yes. Sure he was.
Were others more deserving? Oh heck yeah! I can think of probably 5-10 players where there should be no argument against them getting a HOF vote on the first ballot. And I’m not even that big of a baseball fan.
Conversely, there are many players in the HOF would have zero business being there. Craig Biggio comes to mind.
Up until this week, HOF balloting for elite players was a sham. Two or three voters would intentionally leave a great player off their ballot so he could not be unanimousI say hell no. A few different reasons why I don’t believe he is worthy of his achievement.
A) He failed as a starting pitcher
B) He wasn’t an everyday player
C) baseball didn’t even have closers untill the 1960’s
D) Babe Ruth wasn’t unanimous and he’s the GOAT. Rivera wasn’t the best player of all time. C’mon.
Two things:
Was he deserving to be a first ballot HOF? Yes. Sure he was.
Were others more deserving? Oh heck yeah! I can think of probably 5-10 players where there should be no argument against them getting a HOF vote on the first ballot. And I’m not even that big of a baseball fan.
Conversely, there are many players in the HOF would have zero business being there. Craig Biggio comes to mind.
Up until this week, HOF balloting for elite players was a sham. Two or three voters would intentionally leave a great player off their ballot so he could not be unanimousI say hell no. A few different reasons why I don’t believe he is worthy of his achievement.
A) He failed as a starting pitcher
B) He wasn’t an everyday player
C) baseball didn’t even have closers untill the 1960’s
D) Babe Ruth wasn’t unanimous and he’s the GOAT. Rivera wasn’t the best player of all time. C’mon.
Two things:
Was he deserving to be a first ballot HOF? Yes. Sure he was.
Were others more deserving? Oh heck yeah! I can think of probably 5-10 players where there should be no argument against them getting a HOF vote on the first ballot. And I’m not even that big of a baseball fan.
Conversely, there are many players in the HOF would have zero business being there. Craig Biggio comes to mind.
Same principle of not voting for a player because they believe he isn't first ballet. Should every hall of famer be a first ballet hall of famer because they are worthy of the hall?
Rivera got special treatment and the bar has been lowered.
I say hell no. A few different reasons why I don’t believe he is worthy of his achievement.
A) He failed as a starting pitcher
B) He wasn’t an everyday player
C) baseball didn’t even have closers untill the 1960’s
D) Babe Ruth wasn’t unanimous and he’s the GOAT. Rivera wasn’t the best player of all time. C’mon.
None of that matters. What matters is what Mariano did on the field. He was the greatest closer in the history of baseball. Period. At one time more men walked on the moon than got a hit off him in the playoffs.
He did it using 2 pitches.
He deserves a unanimous vote for the Hall Of Fame.
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You didn't explain why none of my points matter, you just said they don't matter.
No one can take away what Rivera has done on the field, but he wasn't the best player of all time, so why should he have the distinction of being the only unanimously voted in player?
I say hell no. A few different reasons why I don’t believe he is worthy of his achievement.
A) He failed as a starting pitcher
B) He wasn’t an everyday player
C) baseball didn’t even have closers untill the 1960’s
D) Babe Ruth wasn’t unanimous and he’s the GOAT. Rivera wasn’t the best player of all time. C’mon.
None of that matters. What matters is what Mariano did on the field. He was the greatest closer in the history of baseball. Period. At one time more men walked on the moon than got a hit off him in the playoffs.
He did it using 2 pitches.
He deserves a unanimous vote for the Hall Of Fame.
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You didn't explain why none of my points matter, you just said they don't matter.
No one can take away what Rivera has done on the field, but he wasn't the best player of all time, so why should he have the distinction of being the only unanimously voted in player?
Ok. He didn’t fail at starting pitching. He was a better closer.
No pitcher is an everyday player.
Mo was the best closer of all time.
It really doesn’t matter how you feel about it.
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no one is saying Rivera doesn't deserve to be in the hall.Up until this week, HOF balloting for elite players was a sham. Two or three voters would intentionally leave a great player off their ballot so he could not be unanimousI say hell no. A few different reasons why I don’t believe he is worthy of his achievement.
A) He failed as a starting pitcher
B) He wasn’t an everyday player
C) baseball didn’t even have closers untill the 1960’s
D) Babe Ruth wasn’t unanimous and he’s the GOAT. Rivera wasn’t the best player of all time. C’mon.
Two things:
Was he deserving to be a first ballot HOF? Yes. Sure he was.
Were others more deserving? Oh heck yeah! I can think of probably 5-10 players where there should be no argument against them getting a HOF vote on the first ballot. And I’m not even that big of a baseball fan.
Conversely, there are many players in the HOF would have zero business being there. Craig Biggio comes to mind.
Same principle of not voting for a player because they believe he isn't first ballet. Should every hall of famer be a first ballet hall of famer because they are worthy of the hall?
Rivera got special treatment and the bar has been lowered.
Bar lowered? Maybe in terms of unanimity. Not in terms of deserving. When you see the likes of Mark Grace (who I thought was a very good player) in the Hall, that is when you know the bar has been lowered.
The best pitchers I ever saw are not in the HOFI say hell no. A few different reasons why I don’t believe he is worthy of his achievement.
A) He failed as a starting pitcher
B) He wasn’t an everyday player
C) baseball didn’t even have closers untill the 1960’s
D) Babe Ruth wasn’t unanimous and he’s the GOAT. Rivera wasn’t the best player of all time. C’mon.
None of that matters. What matters is what Mariano did on the field. He was the greatest closer in the history of baseball. Period. At one time more men walked on the moon than got a hit off him in the playoffs.
He did it using 2 pitches.
He deserves a unanimous vote for the Hall Of Fame.
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You didn't explain why none of my points matter, you just said they don't matter.
No one can take away what Rivera has done on the field, but he wasn't the best player of all time, so why should he have the distinction of being the only unanimously voted in player?
Ok. He didn’t fail at starting pitching. He was a better closer.
No pitcher is an everyday player.
Mo was the best closer of all time.
It really doesn’t matter how you feel about it.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
No he failed as a starting pitcher. He had an ERA of 5.51 as a starter. They found out he had no stamina so they moved him to middle relief, and when he thrived in that role he became the closer.
everyday players are more important than pitchers, and when it comes to pitchers it's - starting pitchers > closers > middle relief
so what if he's the best closer of all time? There were better players than him not voted in unanimously
I know it doesn't matter how I feel about it, nor does it matter how you feel, asshole.
The best pitchers I ever saw are not in the HOFI say hell no. A few different reasons why I don’t believe he is worthy of his achievement.
A) He failed as a starting pitcher
B) He wasn’t an everyday player
C) baseball didn’t even have closers untill the 1960’s
D) Babe Ruth wasn’t unanimous and he’s the GOAT. Rivera wasn’t the best player of all time. C’mon.
None of that matters. What matters is what Mariano did on the field. He was the greatest closer in the history of baseball. Period. At one time more men walked on the moon than got a hit off him in the playoffs.
He did it using 2 pitches.
He deserves a unanimous vote for the Hall Of Fame.
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You didn't explain why none of my points matter, you just said they don't matter.
No one can take away what Rivera has done on the field, but he wasn't the best player of all time, so why should he have the distinction of being the only unanimously voted in player?
Ok. He didn’t fail at starting pitching. He was a better closer.
No pitcher is an everyday player.
Mo was the best closer of all time.
It really doesn’t matter how you feel about it.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
No he failed as a starting pitcher. He had an ERA of 5.51 as a starter. They found out he had no stamina so they moved him to middle relief, and when he thrived in that role he became the closer.
everyday players are more important than pitchers, and when it comes to pitchers it's - starting pitchers > closers > middle relief
so what if he's the best closer of all time? There were better players than him not voted in unanimously
I know it doesn't matter how I feel about it, nor does it matter how you feel, asshole.
Dwight Gooden
Ron Guidry
Fernando Valenzuela
Vida Blue
J R Richards
The best pitchers I ever saw are not in the HOFNone of that matters. What matters is what Mariano did on the field. He was the greatest closer in the history of baseball. Period. At one time more men walked on the moon than got a hit off him in the playoffs.
He did it using 2 pitches.
He deserves a unanimous vote for the Hall Of Fame.
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You didn't explain why none of my points matter, you just said they don't matter.
No one can take away what Rivera has done on the field, but he wasn't the best player of all time, so why should he have the distinction of being the only unanimously voted in player?
Ok. He didn’t fail at starting pitching. He was a better closer.
No pitcher is an everyday player.
Mo was the best closer of all time.
It really doesn’t matter how you feel about it.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
No he failed as a starting pitcher. He had an ERA of 5.51 as a starter. They found out he had no stamina so they moved him to middle relief, and when he thrived in that role he became the closer.
everyday players are more important than pitchers, and when it comes to pitchers it's - starting pitchers > closers > middle relief
so what if he's the best closer of all time? There were better players than him not voted in unanimously
I know it doesn't matter how I feel about it, nor does it matter how you feel, asshole.
Dwight Gooden
Ron Guidry
Fernando Valenzuela
Vida Blue
J R Richards
Doc Gooden deserves to be in the hall of very good. 192 w’s 122 L’s , 3.50 ERA
Nolan Ryan was better than all of those guys.
The best pitchers I ever saw are not in the HOFYou didn't explain why none of my points matter, you just said they don't matter.
No one can take away what Rivera has done on the field, but he wasn't the best player of all time, so why should he have the distinction of being the only unanimously voted in player?
Ok. He didn’t fail at starting pitching. He was a better closer.
No pitcher is an everyday player.
Mo was the best closer of all time.
It really doesn’t matter how you feel about it.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
No he failed as a starting pitcher. He had an ERA of 5.51 as a starter. They found out he had no stamina so they moved him to middle relief, and when he thrived in that role he became the closer.
everyday players are more important than pitchers, and when it comes to pitchers it's - starting pitchers > closers > middle relief
so what if he's the best closer of all time? There were better players than him not voted in unanimously
I know it doesn't matter how I feel about it, nor does it matter how you feel, asshole.
Dwight Gooden
Ron Guidry
Fernando Valenzuela
Vida Blue
J R Richards
Doc Gooden deserves to be in the hall of very good. 192 w’s 122 L’s , 3.50 ERA
Nolan Ryan was better than all of those guys.
Nolan Ryan never had a season like those guys put up
Never won a Cy Young, had one 20 win season
The best pitchers I ever saw are not in the HOFOk. He didn’t fail at starting pitching. He was a better closer.
No pitcher is an everyday player.
Mo was the best closer of all time.
It really doesn’t matter how you feel about it.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
No he failed as a starting pitcher. He had an ERA of 5.51 as a starter. They found out he had no stamina so they moved him to middle relief, and when he thrived in that role he became the closer.
everyday players are more important than pitchers, and when it comes to pitchers it's - starting pitchers > closers > middle relief
so what if he's the best closer of all time? There were better players than him not voted in unanimously
I know it doesn't matter how I feel about it, nor does it matter how you feel, asshole.
Dwight Gooden
Ron Guidry
Fernando Valenzuela
Vida Blue
J R Richards
Doc Gooden deserves to be in the hall of very good. 192 w’s 122 L’s , 3.50 ERA
Nolan Ryan was better than all of those guys.
Nolan Ryan never had a season like those guys put up
Never won a Cy Young, had one 20 win season
Most no-hitters of all time though, but you have a point
The best pitchers I ever saw are not in the HOFI say hell no. A few different reasons why I don’t believe he is worthy of his achievement.
A) He failed as a starting pitcher
B) He wasn’t an everyday player
C) baseball didn’t even have closers untill the 1960’s
D) Babe Ruth wasn’t unanimous and he’s the GOAT. Rivera wasn’t the best player of all time. C’mon.
None of that matters. What matters is what Mariano did on the field. He was the greatest closer in the history of baseball. Period. At one time more men walked on the moon than got a hit off him in the playoffs.
He did it using 2 pitches.
He deserves a unanimous vote for the Hall Of Fame.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You didn't explain why none of my points matter, you just said they don't matter.
No one can take away what Rivera has done on the field, but he wasn't the best player of all time, so why should he have the distinction of being the only unanimously voted in player?
Ok. He didn’t fail at starting pitching. He was a better closer.
No pitcher is an everyday player.
Mo was the best closer of all time.
It really doesn’t matter how you feel about it.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
No he failed as a starting pitcher. He had an ERA of 5.51 as a starter. They found out he had no stamina so they moved him to middle relief, and when he thrived in that role he became the closer.
everyday players are more important than pitchers, and when it comes to pitchers it's - starting pitchers > closers > middle relief
so what if he's the best closer of all time? There were better players than him not voted in unanimously
I know it doesn't matter how I feel about it, nor does it matter how you feel, asshole.
Dwight Gooden
Ron Guidry
Fernando Valenzuela
Vida Blue
J R Richards
The best pitchers I ever saw are not in the HOFNone of that matters. What matters is what Mariano did on the field. He was the greatest closer in the history of baseball. Period. At one time more men walked on the moon than got a hit off him in the playoffs.
He did it using 2 pitches.
He deserves a unanimous vote for the Hall Of Fame.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You didn't explain why none of my points matter, you just said they don't matter.
No one can take away what Rivera has done on the field, but he wasn't the best player of all time, so why should he have the distinction of being the only unanimously voted in player?
Ok. He didn’t fail at starting pitching. He was a better closer.
No pitcher is an everyday player.
Mo was the best closer of all time.
It really doesn’t matter how you feel about it.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
No he failed as a starting pitcher. He had an ERA of 5.51 as a starter. They found out he had no stamina so they moved him to middle relief, and when he thrived in that role he became the closer.
everyday players are more important than pitchers, and when it comes to pitchers it's - starting pitchers > closers > middle relief
so what if he's the best closer of all time? There were better players than him not voted in unanimously
I know it doesn't matter how I feel about it, nor does it matter how you feel, asshole.
Dwight Gooden
Ron Guidry
Fernando Valenzuela
Vida Blue
J R Richards
These guys are the “best” because for the year or two they were at their best.......there was nobody better
So do the othersThe best pitchers I ever saw are not in the HOFYou didn't explain why none of my points matter, you just said they don't matter.
No one can take away what Rivera has done on the field, but he wasn't the best player of all time, so why should he have the distinction of being the only unanimously voted in player?
Ok. He didn’t fail at starting pitching. He was a better closer.
No pitcher is an everyday player.
Mo was the best closer of all time.
It really doesn’t matter how you feel about it.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
No he failed as a starting pitcher. He had an ERA of 5.51 as a starter. They found out he had no stamina so they moved him to middle relief, and when he thrived in that role he became the closer.
everyday players are more important than pitchers, and when it comes to pitchers it's - starting pitchers > closers > middle relief
so what if he's the best closer of all time? There were better players than him not voted in unanimously
I know it doesn't matter how I feel about it, nor does it matter how you feel, asshole.
Dwight Gooden
Ron Guidry
Fernando Valenzuela
Vida Blue
J R Richards
These guys are the “best” because for the year or two they were at their best.......there was nobody better
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a big Doc Gooden fan, and it’s a shame he never lived up to his potential because of drugs and alcohol. At his peak he was Tyson-esq. The sky was the limit with him and he dominated in the beginning of his career like no other. But I look at the total body of work when considering players worthy of the hall, and unfortunately Doc falls a little short.
Closers are vastly overrated.
yeah vastly ,,,only the difference between winning and losingClosers are vastly overrated.
How can a player that only impacts the game half of one inning be the difference between winning and losing?
He’s a part of wining and losing in the grand scheme of things, but there are positions that are more intricle than closers.
Because once Mariano entered the game,opposing fans could start heading for the exit
The best pitchers I ever saw are not in the HOFYou didn't explain why none of my points matter, you just said they don't matter.
No one can take away what Rivera has done on the field, but he wasn't the best player of all time, so why should he have the distinction of being the only unanimously voted in player?
Ok. He didn’t fail at starting pitching. He was a better closer.
No pitcher is an everyday player.
Mo was the best closer of all time.
It really doesn’t matter how you feel about it.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
No he failed as a starting pitcher. He had an ERA of 5.51 as a starter. They found out he had no stamina so they moved him to middle relief, and when he thrived in that role he became the closer.
everyday players are more important than pitchers, and when it comes to pitchers it's - starting pitchers > closers > middle relief
so what if he's the best closer of all time? There were better players than him not voted in unanimously
I know it doesn't matter how I feel about it, nor does it matter how you feel, asshole.
Dwight Gooden
Ron Guidry
Fernando Valenzuela
Vida Blue
J R Richards
Doc Gooden deserves to be in the hall of very good. 192 w’s 122 L’s , 3.50 ERA
Nolan Ryan was better than all of those guys.
Nolan Ryan never had a season like those guys put up
Never won a Cy Young, had one 20 win season
8 games shy of losing 300 games
Mariano owned the Red Sox for most of his careerClosers are vastly overrated.yeah vastly ,,,only the difference between winning and losingClosers are vastly overrated.
How can a player that only impacts the game half of one inning be the difference between winning and losing?
He’s a part of wining and losing in the grand scheme of things, but there are positions that are more intricle than closers.
Because once Mariano entered the game,opposing fans could start heading for the exit
Except when playing the Red Sox.
20 years of awful teams?The best pitchers I ever saw are not in the HOFOk. He didn’t fail at starting pitching. He was a better closer.
No pitcher is an everyday player.
Mo was the best closer of all time.
It really doesn’t matter how you feel about it.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
No he failed as a starting pitcher. He had an ERA of 5.51 as a starter. They found out he had no stamina so they moved him to middle relief, and when he thrived in that role he became the closer.
everyday players are more important than pitchers, and when it comes to pitchers it's - starting pitchers > closers > middle relief
so what if he's the best closer of all time? There were better players than him not voted in unanimously
I know it doesn't matter how I feel about it, nor does it matter how you feel, asshole.
Dwight Gooden
Ron Guidry
Fernando Valenzuela
Vida Blue
J R Richards
Doc Gooden deserves to be in the hall of very good. 192 w’s 122 L’s , 3.50 ERA
Nolan Ryan was better than all of those guys.
Nolan Ryan never had a season like those guys put up
Never won a Cy Young, had one 20 win season
8 games shy of losing 300 games
Nolan Ryan played for some AWFUL teams. In 1987 (age 40!), he had a 2.76 ERA...but went 8-16 for a terrible-hitting Astros team.
