Do you approve of President Obama's job performance?

[Mojo2]

The big challenge for any post 1973 presidency is how to revive the great postwar middle class without credit cards and debt.

During the great postwar period - an unprecedented period of middle class expansion - Americans use to flock into Main Street businesses and consume because they had high wages and great benefits. Then Reagan decided that high labor costs were strangling capital investment and dampening economic growth.

As a result, America traded manufacturing plants (which were shipped to cheaper labor markets in Asia) for shopping malls (which were kept in business not by solid wages but MadterCard Visa and American Express).

The Great American Middle Class - the envy of the world - died when we shipped our manufacturing dominance to China. After shipping their jobs overseas, we tried to keep our middle class alive for 30 years by the most steroidal expansion of credit (debt) the world has ever seen. That experiment ended in 2008, under George W Bush, when consumer debt finally reached a tipping point. Americans, in record numbers, were spending more than they earned. It got so bad that they turned to the last thing left with any value - their homes. This resulted in a meltdown of epic proportions. Now there simply are not enough solvent consumers left to drive domestic consumption.

Had Obama successfully destroyed the health insurance monopoly that had been bankrupting middle class consumers for years, his presidency would have been a spectacular success. Unfortunately, he was defeated.

Game over.

You guys problem is always a pre-supposition of an impossible political, societal or cultural stage upon which your fantasy WILL work every time.

But you WILL never and CAN never make your ideas work because the supposition is impossible. For example, your post here mentions NOTHING about any of the other intentionally deceptive and decidedly un-American activities, attitudes, policies that existed or were going on at the same time which would have made Obama's presidency a failure.

You show us this marvelous matrix of bureaucratic and economic symmetry on paper but once you try to get it to work in the context of reality it all falls apart.

EDIT: And by the way, here's something from The Atlantic Monthly.

Hey, Barney Frank: The Government Did Cause the Housing Crisis

PETER WALLISON
DEC 13 2011, 11:20 AM ET

A member of the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission responds to our interview with Barney Frank, arguing that without the government's intervention, there would be no housing crisis

"...It is government's fault for offering a housing finance program without making an effort to maintain underwriting standards..."

Hey, Barney Frank: The Government Did Cause the Housing Crisis - Peter Wallison - The Atlantic

 

[NightFox]

The big challenge for any post 1973 presidency is how to revive the great postwar middle class without credit cards and debt.

It's not a big challenge and doesn't require mastery of differential equations , JUST GET THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF THEIR WAY...... stop stealing their money at every turn in order to stuff the pockets of favored constituencies, stop attempting to dictate how they live every aspect of their lives and how they must conduct every transaction and stop promising them subsidies off the "other guys" labor and the middle class will do JUST FINE.

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help" -- Ronald Reagan

 

[Londoner]

The greatest period of economic growth happened from 1945-1973. Study the tax and regulatory policy of Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Nixon. This was the height of New Deal Liberalism. The next period of economic growth happened in the 80s and 90s, but it was accompanied by toxic levels of government and consumer debt.

Republicans who claim that Liberalism doesn't work should study the Eisenhower and Nixon presidencies, two of the most Republican Keynesians the world has ever seen. Specifically, study their tax rates, regulatory policies, government spending (especially on infrastructure) and the high union wages that each man protected. You will see two of the biggest fiscal liberals this nation has ever seen. Then take a look at the economic growth from that period.

Check mate morons.

 

[Mojo2]

Let's have a poll here and see where USMB stands on this.

It depends on which way you look at it.

If you want America to return to it's former greatness, he sucks

If you want America to become socialist, he is doing great.

The communists and socialists love him, so he must be doing something they like.

The radical Muslims (Muslim Brotherhood) are no doubt pleased with his foreign policy that is geared to assist them in their quest to take over.

If you're a government dependent, he seems awesome for increasing welfare and claiming to go after the big, bad wealthy people.

If you're one of the real 1%, you know he's really in your corner and you'll come through with big time donations like the unions and Soros will do.

If you're an average American, chances are you lost your health care and your job is insecure if you still have one.

I think he's awful, just like other liberal lawyer presidents were awful.

When does Obama ever hang out with muslims, socialists, or communists? Even Bush hung out with his muslim boyfriends at the ranch. Not Barry. Soros, Bill Ayers, or reverend Wright haven't visited the white house yet. They call Obama, but he won't return their calls. Obama surrounds himself with one percenters and appoints them to the important jobs. Someone put out this b.s. about Obama being radical and you suckers fell for it hook, line and sinker. Obama's job is first and foremost to defend the status quo, Goldman Sachs, the banks, and the multibillionaires and he's been doing that job pretty well so far.

In Dreams From My Father we learned that his father fought British Colonialism by sidling up to Communists and crooks.

We know Jr. gravitated to Communists in college because HE SAID SO HIMSELF.

When a 3rd World country gains it's freedom from a 1st world country they are left with a need to set up a government and an economy and the ones who came to the aid of most newly independent African nations were whom?

Communists, big money types and crooks.

Obama took his father's dreams and he is making them come alive in America.

What do all the poor countries of the world want and think should happen?

That the rich UNITED STATES OF AMERICA should open it's treasure chest and throw out money to the poor nations of the world.

Check.

And when the newly independent nations needed a model to use to help them govern with 'equality' which system of government seemed most fair to their simplistic minds?

Communism!

Check.

And when you set up a new government and are able to attract huge sums of money and have a model for a new government who are you going to have as the government officials?

Those who are willing to pay you for the privilege.

And who can afford this?

Investment and Banking executives and crooks.

And how else can you assure you will always have enough money for your own use?

By studying the laws and learning how to use them and bend them to your advantage. And then to learn the best and most subtle means of graft that you can manage.

And how are you going to get things done in this new system and with these new executives and this new economy?

You get crooked businessmen.

And other than in the USA which has figured out wealth creation which doesn't require the successful business people to be crooks, in most third world countries merchants ARE shady characters.

They ARE crooks.

And so Obama uses all of the lessons he learned form his father and through observation and he's now putting them all into action.

And he's not done yet.

 

[NightFox]

The greatest period of economic growth happened from 1945-1973.

Sure let's turn back the gub'mint to 1945, I'll buy that ... pray continue to wax nostalgic.

Check mate morons.

OOPS.. it's entertaining when a gub'mint worshipper sticks their own foot in their own mouth but then again one has to feel sorry for a fellow human being stumbling around so helplessly.... As in.. "I'll use the cherry picked successes (can't believe you even DARED to use NIXON but then again ignorance knows no bounds) of the smaller government in the distant past to justify the gigantic government of your hopes & dreams for the future", perhaps you should spend some time actually thinking through your own arguments before sharing them with others, MMMMKKKKAAAY ?

Thanks for the laugh.

"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." -- Albert Einstein

 

[Billy000]

Let's have a poll here and see where USMB stands on this.

I strongly do but I give him a B to B+. Unlike most of the responders so far, I examine nuance.

 

[OKTexas]

Tell me an Obama lie that isn't a promise that Pubs or their crony insurers didn't break...that's not a lie, hater dupes. See sig para 3 for factual lies, ie anything Pubs tell you idiots...

Give annual "State of the World" address
Close the Guantanamo Bay Detention Center
Expand the child and dependent care credit
Require publicly traded financial partnerships to pay the corporate income tax
Close loopholes in the corporate tax deductibility of CEO pay
Create a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners
Provide option for a pre-filled-out tax form
Create a mortgage interest tax credit for non-itemizers
Require automatic enrollment in 401(k) plans
Create a retirement savings tax credit for low incomes
End income tax for seniors making less than $50,000
End no-bid contracts above $25,000
Create a $60 billion bank to fund roads and bridges
Tax carried interest as ordinary income
Sign the Employee Free Choice Act, making it easier for workers to unionize

I give up, that's just the broken promises from the first two pages out of 27 pages.

Frankie I don't think you know as much about your dear leader as you think.

The Obameter: Tracking Obama's Campaign Promises | PolitiFact

 

[OKTexas]

The big challenge for any post 1973 presidency is how to revive the great postwar middle class without credit cards and debt.

During the great postwar period - an unprecedented period of middle class expansion - Americans flocked into Main Street businesses and kept them afloat through robust consumption... because American Labor enjoyed higher wages and benefits than any working class in history. Then Reagan, who seized upon the OPEC induced stagflation of the late 70s, decided that high labor costs were strangling capital investment and dampening economic growth.

As a result, America traded manufacturing plants (which were shipped to cheaper labor markets in Asia) for shopping malls (which were kept in business not by solid wages but MadterCard Visa and American Express).

The Great American Middle Class - the envy of the world - died when we shipped our manufacturing dominance to China. After shipping their jobs overseas, we tried to keep our middle class alive for 30 years by the most steroidal expansion of credit (debt) the world has ever seen. We replaced wages with credit. That experiment ended in 2008, under George W Bush, when consumer debt finally reached a tipping point. Americans, in record numbers, were spending more than they earned. It got so bad that they turned to the last thing left with any value - their homes. This resulted in a meltdown of epic proportions. Now ...there simply are not enough solvent consumers left to drive domestic consumption.

Had Obama successfully destroyed the health insurance monopoly that had been bankrupting middle class consumers for years, his presidency would have been a spectacular success. Unfortunately, he was defeated. He lost the only real battle available to him.

Game over.

And the only way the middle class will recover is to bring manufacturing back to our shores.

 

[Mojo2]

The greatest period of economic growth happened from 1945-1973. Study the tax and regulatory policy of Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Nixon. This was the height of New Deal Liberalism. The next period of economic growth happened in the 80s and 90s, but it was accompanied by toxic levels of government and consumer debt.

Republicans who claim that Liberalism doesn't work should study the Eisenhower and Nixon presidencies, two of the most Republican Keynesians the world has ever seen. Specifically, study their tax rates, regulatory policies, government spending (especially on infrastructure) and the high union wages that each man protected. You will see two of the biggest fiscal liberals this nation has ever seen. Then take a look at the economic growth from that period.

Check mate morons.

The Check mate morons.

Hmmm...

That's a strange moniker you seem to have proudly adopted.

Is that the name of your Punk Rock group?

Or are you chess players with OCD or something?

 

[Mojo2]

Let's have a poll here and see where USMB stands on this.

I strongly do but I give him a B to B+. Unlike most of the responders so far, I examine nuance.

If you like his Progressive nuances, read this.

Progressivism - Discover the Networks

If you like his Lawless nuances, read this:

Benghazi attorney: What Obama just did absolutely illegal, impeachable - BizPac Review

If you like his foreign, America hating nuances watch this:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r3Emj-uSsE]"America" Trailer - YouTube[/ame]

If you like his Deceitful nuances, just watch whenever his lips move.

 

[Billy000]

Let's have a poll here and see where USMB stands on this.

I strongly do but I give him a B to B+. Unlike most of the responders so far, I examine nuance.

If you like his Progressive nuances, read this.

Progressivism - Discover the Networks

If you like his Lawless nuances, read this:

Benghazi attorney: What Obama just did absolutely illegal, impeachable - BizPac Review

If you like his foreign, America hating nuances watch this:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r3Emj-uSsE]"America" Trailer - YouTube[/ame]

If you like his Deceitful nuances, just watch whenever his lips move.

All of those crap sources are from bullshit rightwing websites. Why should I take them seriously given their bias? I take it you don't like MSNBC? I don't like it either.

 

[Mojo2]

I strongly do but I give him a B to B+. Unlike most of the responders so far, I examine nuance.

If you like his Progressive nuances, read this.

Progressivism - Discover the Networks

If you like his Lawless nuances, read this:

Benghazi attorney: What Obama just did absolutely illegal, impeachable - BizPac Review

If you like his foreign, America hating nuances watch this:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r3Emj-uSsE]"America" Trailer - YouTube[/ame]

If you like his Deceitful nuances, just watch whenever his lips move.

All of those crap sources are from bullshit rightwing websites. Why should I take them seriously given their bias? I take it you don't like MSNBC? I don't like it either.

Sorry Bill, but you aren't at liberty to just casually dismiss a source just because it is right wing. You can only suggest it after you have pointed out enough of it's faults with the facts that an objective third party observer would conclude the source is wrong or wrong headed or deceptive too often to be believed.

I could just matter of factly and without any cause dismiss every source you'd ever introduce if I didn't agree with it.

The way Obama supporters deal with and consider information sources is what I believe is at the heart of why Obama has the support he does.

And somewhat more than than 55% of Obama's 2012 voters regret having done so.

Are you going to be an Obama Dead Ender?

Like Saddam's loyalists who knew the cause was lost but fought on til the very end because they had nothing to lose. They knew a Human Rights tribunal would convict and execute them. Maybe that's why they were called Dead Enders. They knew their destiny was execution so why not fight to the death/

But what explains the insane loyalty to Obama???

Ugh.

 

[Billy000]

If you like his Progressive nuances, read this.

Progressivism - Discover the Networks

If you like his Lawless nuances, read this:

Benghazi attorney: What Obama just did absolutely illegal, impeachable - BizPac Review

If you like his foreign, America hating nuances watch this:

"America" Trailer - YouTube

If you like his Deceitful nuances, just watch whenever his lips move.

All of those crap sources are from bullshit rightwing websites. Why should I take them seriously given their bias? I take it you don't like MSNBC? I don't like it either.

Sorry Bill, but you aren't at liberty to just casually dismiss a source just because it is right wing. You can only suggest it after you have pointed out enough of it's faults with the facts that an objective third party observer would conclude the source is wrong or wrong headed or deceptive too often to be believed.

I could just matter of factly and without any cause dismiss every source you'd ever introduce if I didn't agree with it.

The way Obama supporters deal with and consider information sources is what I believe is at the heart of why Obama has the support he does.

And somewhat more than than 55% of Obama's 2012 voters regret having done so.

Are you going to be an Obama Dead Ender?

Like Saddam's loyalists who knew the cause was lost but fought on til the very end because they had nothing to lose. They knew a Human Rights tribunal would convict and execute them. Maybe that's why they were called Dead Enders. They knew their destiny was execution so why not fight to the death/

But what explains the insane loyalty to Obama???

Ugh.

When it comes to issues like economics, political ideology must be largely not part of the conversation. Your sources distort the truth by not giving us all the facts.

 

[Mojo2]

All of those crap sources are from bullshit rightwing websites. Why should I take them seriously given their bias? I take it you don't like MSNBC? I don't like it either.

Sorry Bill, but you aren't at liberty to just casually dismiss a source just because it is right wing. You can only suggest it after you have pointed out enough of it's faults with the facts that an objective third party observer would conclude the source is wrong or wrong headed or deceptive too often to be believed.

I could just matter of factly and without any cause dismiss every source you'd ever introduce if I didn't agree with it.

The way Obama supporters deal with and consider information sources is what I believe is at the heart of why Obama has the support he does.

And somewhat more than than 55% of Obama's 2012 voters regret having done so.

Are you going to be an Obama Dead Ender?

Like Saddam's loyalists who knew the cause was lost but fought on til the very end because they had nothing to lose. They knew a Human Rights tribunal would convict and execute them. Maybe that's why they were called Dead Enders. They knew their destiny was execution so why not fight to the death/

But what explains the insane loyalty to Obama???

Ugh.

When it comes to issues like economics, political ideology must be largely not part of the conversation. Your sources distort the truth by not giving us all the facts.

Point them out.

No broad brush stroke condemnations.

Be specific.

 

[Duped]

Obamanation: he is a dispicable failure. In fact anti american, and a racist who has divided the country like no other! The impetus of the man is to redistribute the wealth from whites to browns. He has put us so far in debt, and it will cause us, and is causing us severe pain - whether it is palpable to you morons or not. His word is no good, so he is no good - I would not want him on my team in any situation. Everything that comes out of his mouth is a convienent expedient with no relationship with the truth. He has tunnel vision; promoting his agenda of socialism - he is an enemy; a traitor! The day he is replaced will be one of the greatest days for our country!

 

[healthmyths]

His ''failures'' are all due to the mindless new bs GOP'S PURE OBSTRUCTION. After 5 years, at least everyone's sick of the brainwashed far RW which has been running the GOP and the country ragged...and is about 75 per cent of this board.

A little GOP compromise and we could get somewhere...O-care is just fine, hater dupes...see first sentence- ditto, plus the crony insurers and businessmen, and that gd website, now working..

This from a person that has told us frequently that he has "TWO" (count them 2) master degrees and an IQ of 145!

 

[Sallow]

He was done pretty much what I thought he would do and turned out to be who I figured he was just your typical politician.

Sorry, what?

That's what he is. A politician.

If a Doctor comes in and cures your ills.

Do you go..well he did pretty much what I thought he would do. He was a typical Doctor..

 

[Sallow]

Let's have a poll here and see where USMB stands on this.

I strongly do but I give him a B to B+. Unlike most of the responders so far, I examine nuance.

If you like his Progressive nuances, read this.

Progressivism - Discover the Networks

If you like his Lawless nuances, read this:

Benghazi attorney: What Obama just did absolutely illegal, impeachable - BizPac Review

If you like his foreign, America hating nuances watch this:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r3Emj-uSsE]"America" Trailer - YouTube[/ame]

If you like his Deceitful nuances, just watch whenever his lips move.

I love how conservatives try and own WWII.

And war they were vehemently against prosecuted by a President they reviled.

 

[blackhawk]

He was done pretty much what I thought he would do and turned out to be who I figured he was just your typical politician.

Sorry, what?

That's what he is. A politician.

If a Doctor comes in and cures your ills.

Do you go..well he did pretty much what I thought he would do. He was a typical Doctor..

Sorry I don't pretend he is a god who walks among us or have a Obama shrine in my house I see him for what he is.

 

[Mojo2]

I strongly do but I give him a B to B+. Unlike most of the responders so far, I examine nuance.

If you like his Progressive nuances, read this.

Progressivism - Discover the Networks

If you like his Lawless nuances, read this:

Benghazi attorney: What Obama just did absolutely illegal, impeachable - BizPac Review

If you like his foreign, America hating nuances watch this:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r3Emj-uSsE]"America" Trailer - YouTube[/ame]

If you like his Deceitful nuances, just watch whenever his lips move.

I love how conservatives try and own WWII.

And war they were vehemently against prosecuted by a President they reviled.

We can "own" it as much as we God damned want.

We earned that right with blood sweat and tears.

And how you use your big stupid mouth to tear down all that our fore fathers have built is how you honor their sacrifices.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRxhkbk4lVM&list=PLJdYRfQuif3Jsw8cPKvZGhRhu_YWWJBvo&feature=share&index=2]STFU BITCH - YouTube[/ame]