Does AOC know $15 minimum wage in states like Mississippi will put people out of work?

[danielpalos]

That doesn't say that the taxes should be used for redistribution from productive people to lazy ones, bub.

It sure doesn't. In particular, the Article 1, Section 8 says the taxes should be used for the general welfare. They were opposed to using to taxation to reward specific interests.

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

I'm all for helping the poor, I object to helping those that make a choice not to work and expect others to pay for their choices. That has nothing to do with "general Welfare".

it must simply Because we subscribe to Capitalism and not Socialism.

Take it to court! Go ahead and see if your argument wins anything. So far you have an unproven concept that you want to launch on the American public that is unpopular and just plain dumb. You bitch, cry and moan and claim how superior you are, then take it to court and get your law passed. I doubt you will do nothing more than post on a board because you are lazy.

it has been added to next year's legislative schedule.

 

[danielpalos]

Different world back then

Doesn’t mean we should yearn for the days of Oliver Twist

Not yearning for the good old days, where in the Constitution does it say that a working man should pay for the lazy man?

equal protection of the law.

That is not what that means and we have explained it to you over and over. That is the flaw in your argument and I bet if you went before a judge with that argument, they'd laugh you out of court.

The person has equal protection to make sure his or her rights are equally protected as would another's rights would. There is no right to work in the United States. If you choose not to work that is your decision and not capitalism's.

i don't have a petty cash fund for a class action.

Oh gee, an excuse! LOL! Why am I not surprised. Let me know when you get your concept through, otherwise I don't see an inferior argument like yours going anywhere.

simple rejection is not a valid refutation.

 

[hadit]

No, what you want certainly is not unemployment compensation. It is welfare.

you simply appeal to emotion instead of reason. it is merely a correction for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment; there is no reason for the Poor bear that onus.

I appeal to logic and reason. Unemployment Compensation means something specific, insurance that employers purchase so laid off employees have income while they're looking for another job. You're trying to give it a completely different meaning.

dear, Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. it is natural for capitalism to be that inefficient. correcting for that inefficiency promotes the general welfare, it really is that simple.

Translation to English: in any free economy, there will be those who refuse to work, even when jobs are available to them. Your solution is to pretend they're working and pay them as if they were.

why do you care if they are Poor as a result? requiring a work ethic is national socialism.

Poor has nothing to do with it. We're talking about paying people who COULD support themselves but choose not to do so.

 

[OnePercenter]

Most, not all.

Uh, I said most. There are management employees who can make quite a good salary. (In-N-Out Burger pays their managers over $160K per year!) The point is that either the teenagers learn a work ethic which serves them well during the rest of their working life, or if they are motivated to do so, they have the opportunity for a career path into higher paying positions at McD's.

The issue was supervisors, not managers.

Supervisors are step in the ladder, bub.

Supervisors aren't managers.

So? Very few people start their working lives in high level management positions. Moving from crew member to supervisor is a step up.

That depends. Experience wise with an addition to ones resume, Yes. What it tends to be a promotion with a change from hourly to salary with a much higher workload that when you factor the additional hours your not making much more than when you were an hourly employee.

 

[danielpalos]

you simply appeal to emotion instead of reason. it is merely a correction for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment; there is no reason for the Poor bear that onus.

I appeal to logic and reason. Unemployment Compensation means something specific, insurance that employers purchase so laid off employees have income while they're looking for another job. You're trying to give it a completely different meaning.

dear, Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. it is natural for capitalism to be that inefficient. correcting for that inefficiency promotes the general welfare, it really is that simple.

Translation to English: in any free economy, there will be those who refuse to work, even when jobs are available to them. Your solution is to pretend they're working and pay them as if they were.

why do you care if they are Poor as a result? requiring a work ethic is national socialism.

Poor has nothing to do with it. We're talking about paying people who COULD support themselves but choose not to do so.

employment is at-will not for-cause. get legal to the law, right wingers.

 

[OnePercenter]

Uber doesn't make a profit. Three of the five companies that I own don't make a profit. Can you answer why?

Oooh! A riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside a phony persona.

I'm not sure what the answer is - but it would be a fun party game to take turns guessing. You're the guest judge.

Who wants to go first?

Alright. I'll go first. Here's my guess:

"The reason why three of the five companies OnePercenter 'owns' don't make a profit is ..."

OK, I've studied economics a LOT, so I keep up with this stuff. They actually figured this one out back in the seventies, under Reagan. Anyway, it turns out that something like 98.75% of the time businesses fail to make a profit, it's for the same reason: they incurred more in costs than they received in revenue. That's pretty technical, and it would take a semester course to explain how it all works. But that's the reason, pretty much every time.

My guess is he has no clue on how to run a business and is losing big money on his lemonade stand, his lawn mowing service, while he makes money delivering newspapers

The answer is; It off-sets taxes from the other two.

 

[OnePercenter]

That doesn't say that the taxes should be used for redistribution from productive people to lazy ones, bub.

It sure doesn't. In particular, the Article 1, Section 8 says the taxes should be used for the general welfare. They were opposed to using to taxation to reward specific interests.

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

I'm all for helping the poor, I object to helping those that make a choice not to work and expect others to pay for their choices. That has nothing to do with "general Welfare".

Sure it does
Our society has decided we don’t want to be like the slums of Calcutta

I’ll take helping the poor over corporate greed any day

Hey RW ! I only make about $25,000 a year in "taxable income" please send me some of that cash you're so ready to help out with. My income is well below the median and I think you should put your money where your mouth is or admit you're just a Hypocrite and mouthpiece for your Socialist agenda.

Here ya go....

-Jail all employers that knowingly hire illegal aliens.

-End all worker visa programs.

-Base Federal tax for corporations at 30% of revenue.

-Raise minimum wage to $23.50/hr. Based on where minimum wage should be using 1970-2019 rise in food, shelter, and transportation.

-Eliminate all business subsidies (deductions/write-offs/write-downs) except for employee expenses which are deducted dollar-for-dollar on all city, state, and Federal taxes and fees with the Feds refunding city, State, and fees.

-Companies with unlimited employees; employee expenses above the deduction are subsidized at 100% with funds usually give back to the States.

-Adjust Social Security and private/public retirement and pension payments using 1970-2019 price structure.

-Remove the FICA limit.

-Back down ALL costs, prices, fees, to January 1, 2009 levels and hold them for 15 years which will eliminate inflation.

-Recall ALL off-shore investments tax free, and disallow any further off-shore investments.

-Make inversion illegal.

My plan would reduce business costs for employees and taxes to 30%. That's a 15%-30% drop.

My plan would put BILLIONS into the economy daily.

My plan would put the $100 trillion plus currently owned by corporate America back into the economy.

My plan would end all welfare.

My plan would significantly increase social security and pension payments.

 

[hadit]

I appeal to logic and reason. Unemployment Compensation means something specific, insurance that employers purchase so laid off employees have income while they're looking for another job. You're trying to give it a completely different meaning.

dear, Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. it is natural for capitalism to be that inefficient. correcting for that inefficiency promotes the general welfare, it really is that simple.

Translation to English: in any free economy, there will be those who refuse to work, even when jobs are available to them. Your solution is to pretend they're working and pay them as if they were.

why do you care if they are Poor as a result? requiring a work ethic is national socialism.

Poor has nothing to do with it. We're talking about paying people who COULD support themselves but choose not to do so.

employment is at-will not for-cause. get legal to the law, right wingers.

Look up what at-will employment means and quote it here with the source. Until you do that, your argument is null and void.

 

[boedicca]

It sure doesn't. In particular, the Article 1, Section 8 says the taxes should be used for the general welfare. They were opposed to using to taxation to reward specific interests.

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

I'm all for helping the poor, I object to helping those that make a choice not to work and expect others to pay for their choices. That has nothing to do with "general Welfare".

Sure it does
Our society has decided we don’t want to be like the slums of Calcutta

I’ll take helping the poor over corporate greed any day

Hey RW ! I only make about $25,000 a year in "taxable income" please send me some of that cash you're so ready to help out with. My income is well below the median and I think you should put your money where your mouth is or admit you're just a Hypocrite and mouthpiece for your Socialist agenda.

Here ya go....

-Jail all employers that knowingly hire illegal aliens.

-End all worker visa programs.

-Base Federal tax for corporations at 30% of revenue.

-Raise minimum wage to $23.50/hr. Based on where minimum wage should be using 1970-2019 rise in food, shelter, and transportation.

-Eliminate all business subsidies (deductions/write-offs/write-downs) except for employee expenses which are deducted dollar-for-dollar on all city, state, and Federal taxes and fees with the Feds refunding city, State, and fees.

-Companies with unlimited employees; employee expenses above the deduction are subsidized at 100% with funds usually give back to the States.

-Adjust Social Security and private/public retirement and pension payments using 1970-2019 price structure.

-Remove the FICA limit.

-Back down ALL costs, prices, fees, to January 1, 2009 levels and hold them for 15 years which will eliminate inflation.

-Recall ALL off-shore investments tax free, and disallow any further off-shore investments.

-Make inversion illegal.

My plan would reduce business costs for employees and taxes to 30%. That's a 15%-30% drop.

My plan would put BILLIONS into the economy daily.

My plan would put the $100 trillion plus currently owned by corporate America back into the economy.

My plan would end all welfare.

My plan would significantly increase social security and pension payments.

That is a recipe for economic failure.

 

[OnePercenter]

Apparently, your view is that an overwhelming percentage of Americans are too stupid to decide for themselves whether a wage is too low or not. Which is the zeitgeist of "We Know Better" liberalism.

Not too stupid to decide but forced into a take it or leave it decision

If a business forces someone to take a job against their will, we should prosecute them and put the responsible parties in jail. No arbitrary regulations on wages are required, just simple laws against bullying and coercion. But that's not really what you're talking about, is it?

Of course not
People with other options are not bullied by take it or leave it offers

Those with low skills have few options. Employers can easily manipulate them in to accepting minimum wage

If low skilled people are so vulnerable to manipulation by Evul Businesses, then perhaps we should stop allowing so many low skilled illegal immigrants into the country who compete with low skilled citizens.

What you fail to see is that there are markets for labor driven by supply and demand. If someone is low skilled and doesn't like the compensation for such lack of skill, then a self-respecting person would develop skills and knowledge. That is what ENTRY LEVEL jobs provide.

I've only ever worked for minimum wage once in my life, right after high school. Definitely taught me that I didn't want to work for minimum wage.

Unless you're making more than 48K per year today, you haven't made much headway.

 

[OnePercenter]

I'm all for helping the poor, I object to helping those that make a choice not to work and expect others to pay for their choices. That has nothing to do with "general Welfare".

Sure it does
Our society has decided we don’t want to be like the slums of Calcutta

I’ll take helping the poor over corporate greed any day

So if a person decides he wants to sit home all day then we need to pay for them to?

Would you rather have people banging on your front door begging for handouts?
Rather have sick people laying at the hospital door begging for treatment?

I have no sympathy for the lazy, the poor, yes, the mentally ill, yes, widows, yes, orphans, yes. The lazy? None whatsoever.

We take care of those in need, not those that are lazy. Plus we currently don't have people banging on the doors for handouts nor do we have people at hospitals begging for treatment.

We are talking broadly about using tax money for social welfare
In the absence of support, they have few other options

Social welfare pays 1:1.70 to the economy. Corporate welfare pays 1:0.0 to the economy.

 

[OnePercenter]

Not too stupid to decide but forced into a take it or leave it decision

If a business forces someone to take a job against their will, we should prosecute them and put the responsible parties in jail. No arbitrary regulations on wages are required, just simple laws against bullying and coercion. But that's not really what you're talking about, is it?

Of course not
People with other options are not bullied by take it or leave it offers

Those with low skills have few options. Employers can easily manipulate them in to accepting minimum wage

If low skilled people are so vulnerable to manipulation by Evul Businesses, then perhaps we should stop allowing so many low skilled illegal immigrants into the country who compete with low skilled citizens.

What you fail to see is that there are markets for labor driven by supply and demand. If someone is low skilled and doesn't like the compensation for such lack of skill, then a self-respecting person would develop skills and knowledge. That is what ENTRY LEVEL jobs provide.

I've only ever worked for minimum wage once in my life, right after high school. Definitely taught me that I didn't want to work for minimum wage.

I had minimum wage jobs during high school. I did a variety of things working my way through college, one of which was a unionized factory job during a summer break. The union was incredibly corrupt - that taught I never wanted to be part of a collective bargaining system.

My first business I owned had Union employees. I never observed "incredibly corrupt." How was your pay and benefits?

 

[OnePercenter]

Yeah they ain't gonna pay those illegals fifteen an hour when they can pay them less than eight now them capitalist must live in big mansions and fly jet planes.
Keeping wages low and cost of living high is how the robber barons make their living.

How about we just offer them a trip all expenses paid, back to their home country? They are here illegally! Then they can worry about the minimum wage in their shithole!

You mean jail employers (like tRump) that hire illegals?

This is just another example why you are either mentally challenged or too stupid to breathe on your own. Trump never hired an illegal. If he did, prove it! People who work for him may have done so, but if your gardener gets a DUI, we don't throw your ass in jail, do we?

Here ya go!

Making President Trump’s Bed: A Housekeeper Without Papers

I assume you didn't bother to read your own link beyond the headline, since if you had, you'd see that the housekeeper in question A) works for one of Trump's businesses, not
Trump personally, and it's very doubtful that he hires the housekeeping staff himself, and B) she admits herself that she got hired with phony papers.

So thanks for "proving" nothing more than that you kneejerk to blaming Trump for everything, just because you think being elected against your clearly-expressed wishes is some sort of crime.

tRump is the head of the company that hire/d illegals. What a lame excuse for the Hypocrite in Chief.

 

[Thinker101]

How about we just offer them a trip all expenses paid, back to their home country? They are here illegally! Then they can worry about the minimum wage in their shithole!

You mean jail employers (like tRump) that hire illegals?

This is just another example why you are either mentally challenged or too stupid to breathe on your own. Trump never hired an illegal. If he did, prove it! People who work for him may have done so, but if your gardener gets a DUI, we don't throw your ass in jail, do we?

Here ya go!

Making President Trump’s Bed: A Housekeeper Without Papers

I assume you didn't bother to read your own link beyond the headline, since if you had, you'd see that the housekeeper in question A) works for one of Trump's businesses, not
Trump personally, and it's very doubtful that he hires the housekeeping staff himself, and B) she admits herself that she got hired with phony papers.

So thanks for "proving" nothing more than that you kneejerk to blaming Trump for everything, just because you think being elected against your clearly-expressed wishes is some sort of crime.

tRump is the head of the company that hire/d illegals. What a lame excuse for the Hypocrite in Chief.

Yep, thanks for not reading your own link, dumbass.

 

[OnePercenter]

Name one company that went "out of business" because they paid their employees to much money.

The list is endless, you moron! If you pay your employees a set salary and you are not bringing in the revenue to pay them, what happens, dumbass?

If the list is endless, then name one company.

Why do companies go out to business, dumbass? It is because they could not make a profit. Why couldn't they make a profit? They were obviously paying their employees too much for the job they were performing. My God man, you are dumber than a pile of rocks!

Uber doesn't make a profit. Three of the five companies that I own don't make a profit. Can you answer why?

Because the people running them (and I DO mean you) are morons?

In Uber's case, though, it's a calculated gamble, because they're focusing on expanding in new areas and services in hopes of greater profits in the future.

It's taxes moron.

Uber's COO and VP of Marketing jumped ship last Friday. Time to buy a wood box for your stock certificate funeral.

 

[OnePercenter]

Not yearning for the good old days, where in the Constitution does it say that a working man should pay for the lazy man?

16th Amendment

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

That doesn't say that the taxes should be used for redistribution from productive people to lazy ones, bub.

It sure doesn't. In particular, the Article 1, Section 8 says the taxes should be used for the general welfare. They were opposed to using to taxation to reward specific interests.

the right wing only complains about the Poor.

Where Is The Outrage Over Corporate Welfare?

You mean like GM, Amazon, and Facebook?

You forgot Ford, Chrysler, Walmart, Best Buy, and every "big box."

 

[Papageorgio]

Do you have real life examples of fixed rates?

I wrote "market is fixed."

Do you have any examples of the market being fixed?

Sure. You have two businesses, one a retail, and one a service business. Each has completely different business plans and income streams, but pay employees the same. How can that be except to pay so low that both owners can skim off the top.

That isn’t a fixed market, there is no agreement to pay the same. You also claimed the owners are skimming? Do you have proof that all businesses are skimming?

If there was any doubt you not being a business owner, all doubt is now gone. Man you are clueless.

Employers don't pay the "market price?"

Skimming? Are you telling me that business owners don't cover the personal mortgage payment? Put their wives and kids on the payroll? Their girl/boy friend on the payroll? Their car? Personal utility payments? Vacations? Vacation homes? The list is endless.

Then the employer pays himself less to reduce his personal taxes, and when you ask for a raise, he states: I didn't make much more than you, I can't afford it.

Then of course you have business profit.

It's a scam.......

So you skim money off your business? Quite the confession, you know that is all illegal, any good business keeps their business separate from the personal. Otherwise you run the risk of losing all your personal property if sued. You are one stupid moron if you really believe that all businesses run as corrupt as you. Maybe the IRS needs to look into your businesses and see how you launder money.

You are slime asshole!

 

[OnePercenter]

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

I'm all for helping the poor, I object to helping those that make a choice not to work and expect others to pay for their choices. That has nothing to do with "general Welfare".

Sure it does
Our society has decided we don’t want to be like the slums of Calcutta

I’ll take helping the poor over corporate greed any day

Hey RW ! I only make about $25,000 a year in "taxable income" please send me some of that cash you're so ready to help out with. My income is well below the median and I think you should put your money where your mouth is or admit you're just a Hypocrite and mouthpiece for your Socialist agenda.

Here ya go....

-Jail all employers that knowingly hire illegal aliens.

-End all worker visa programs.

-Base Federal tax for corporations at 30% of revenue.

-Raise minimum wage to $23.50/hr. Based on where minimum wage should be using 1970-2019 rise in food, shelter, and transportation.

-Eliminate all business subsidies (deductions/write-offs/write-downs) except for employee expenses which are deducted dollar-for-dollar on all city, state, and Federal taxes and fees with the Feds refunding city, State, and fees.

-Companies with unlimited employees; employee expenses above the deduction are subsidized at 100% with funds usually give back to the States.

-Adjust Social Security and private/public retirement and pension payments using 1970-2019 price structure.

-Remove the FICA limit.

-Back down ALL costs, prices, fees, to January 1, 2009 levels and hold them for 15 years which will eliminate inflation.

-Recall ALL off-shore investments tax free, and disallow any further off-shore investments.

-Make inversion illegal.

My plan would reduce business costs for employees and taxes to 30%. That's a 15%-30% drop.

My plan would put BILLIONS into the economy daily.

My plan would put the $100 trillion plus currently owned by corporate America back into the economy.

My plan would end all welfare.

My plan would significantly increase social security and pension payments.

That is a recipe for economic failure.

It increases profit for companies and employees AND tax revenue for States and the fed.

 

[Papageorgio]

Uber doesn't make a profit. Three of the five companies that I own don't make a profit. Can you answer why?

Oooh! A riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside a phony persona.

I'm not sure what the answer is - but it would be a fun party game to take turns guessing. You're the guest judge.

Who wants to go first?

Alright. I'll go first. Here's my guess:

"The reason why three of the five companies OnePercenter 'owns' don't make a profit is ..."

OK, I've studied economics a LOT, so I keep up with this stuff. They actually figured this one out back in the seventies, under Reagan. Anyway, it turns out that something like 98.75% of the time businesses fail to make a profit, it's for the same reason: they incurred more in costs than they received in revenue. That's pretty technical, and it would take a semester course to explain how it all works. But that's the reason, pretty much every time.

My guess is he has no clue on how to run a business and is losing big money on his lemonade stand, his lawn mowing service, while he makes money delivering newspapers

The answer is; It off-sets taxes from the other two.

If business A makes 2,000,000 and business B loses 500,000 then the company, providing they are both under the same corporate umbrella would pay taxes on 1,500,000. However if both businesses made a 2,500,000 then you 'd pay taxes on that. So would you rather make $2.5 million and pay taxes or would you rather make and pay taxes $1.5 million?

The other thing is if you lose money to many years the IRS can declare a business a hobby.

 

[OnePercenter]

I wrote "market is fixed."

Do you have any examples of the market being fixed?

Sure. You have two businesses, one a retail, and one a service business. Each has completely different business plans and income streams, but pay employees the same. How can that be except to pay so low that both owners can skim off the top.

That isn’t a fixed market, there is no agreement to pay the same. You also claimed the owners are skimming? Do you have proof that all businesses are skimming?

If there was any doubt you not being a business owner, all doubt is now gone. Man you are clueless.

Employers don't pay the "market price?"

Skimming? Are you telling me that business owners don't cover the personal mortgage payment? Put their wives and kids on the payroll? Their girl/boy friend on the payroll? Their car? Personal utility payments? Vacations? Vacation homes? The list is endless.

Then the employer pays himself less to reduce his personal taxes, and when you ask for a raise, he states: I didn't make much more than you, I can't afford it.

Then of course you have business profit.

It's a scam.......

So you skim money off your business? Quite the confession, you know that is all illegal, any good business keeps their business separate from the personal. Otherwise you run the risk of losing all your personal property if sued. You are one stupid moron if you really believe that all businesses run as corrupt as you. Maybe the IRS needs to look into your businesses and see how you launder money.

You are slime asshole!

Please quote the law that states skimming by an employer is illegal.

By laundering money you mean Deutsche Bank laundering Russian money and giving tRump a loan?