During the civil war, the Democrats were conservative; Republicans were liberal

[A Perez]

Note that seeking change instead of the status quo separates liberalism from conservatism. Hence the word "conservatism". Duh.

Conservatives (1800's Democrats) sought to conserve slavery. Liberals (Republicans) sought to move on to the abolition of slavery.

Conservatives (accurately) taunt Democrats by reminding them of the civil war, but Democrats today in fact should not dispute that Democrats were the bad guys back then; because the Democrats were the Conservatives.

More evidence of this comes from looking at electoral maps of the era. In 1860, Lincoln won states that have always voted for liberal candidates (The North), whereas his Democratic (conservative) opponent won the states that Bush, Romney, McCain etc. have overwhelmingly won:

Conservatives observing that the Democrats were the bad guys in the 1860's are bolstering the argument of today's liberals that many southerners are bigots and kooks.

 

[Obiwan]

Democrats are still Democrats, and Republicans are still Republicans.... After all, Republicans don't get into all that " men are women, white folks are black" kind of ignorant shit.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Note that seeking change instead of the status quo separates liberalism from conservatism. Hence the word "conservatism". Duh.

Conservatives (1800's Democrats) sought to conserve slavery. Liberals (Republicans) sought to move on to the abolition of slavery.

Conservatives (accurately) taunt Democrats by reminding them of the civil war, but Democrats today in fact should not dispute that Democrats were the bad guys back then; because the Democrats were the Conservatives.

More evidence of this comes from looking at electoral maps of the era. In 1860, Lincoln won states that have always voted for liberal candidates (The North), whereas his Democratic (conservative) opponent won the states that Bush, Romney, McCain etc. have overwhelmingly won:

Conservatives observing that the Democrats were the bad guys in the 1860's are bolstering the argument of today's liberals that many southerners are bigots and kooks.

 

[rdean]

Yet today it's exactly the opposite. How did that happen?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Yet today it's exactly the opposite. How did that happen?

It didn't

 

[Correll]

THen and today it is republicans who follow the Enlightenment idea that all men have innate God Given rights, and democrats who are against that.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Yet today it's exactly the opposite. How did that happen?

Yes, if you recall the racist Kleagle Bobby Byrd and Al Gore, Sr. and others all bolted right to the Republican Party following Bobby's 14-hour filibuster against the Civil Rights Act and the subsequent vote that passed it.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

So JFK was really a republican?

 

[bucs90]

Nope. Symbols and names are eternal. White Democrats from the 1800s or 2010s...still both are white Democrats.

 

[Obiwan]

So JFK was really a republican?

Nope, but Martin Luther King and MalcolmX were.....

 

[SassyIrishLass]

So JFK was really a republican?

Nope, but Martin Luther King and MalcolmX were.....

Well it would explain JFK's statement "ask what you can do for your country, not what your country can do for you"

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

So JFK was really a republican?

He would be today. He was a vigorous anti-Communist.

 

[Obiwan]

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Note that seeking change instead of the status quo separates liberalism from conservatism. Hence the word "conservatism". Duh.

Conservatives (1800's Democrats) sought to conserve slavery. Liberals (Republicans) sought to move on to the abolition of slavery.

Conservatives (accurately) taunt Democrats by reminding them of the civil war, but Democrats today in fact should not dispute that Democrats were the bad guys back then; because the Democrats were the Conservatives.

More evidence of this comes from looking at electoral maps of the era. In 1860, Lincoln won states that have always voted for liberal candidates (The North), whereas his Democratic (conservative) opponent won the states that Bush, Romney, McCain etc. have overwhelmingly won:

Conservatives observing that the Democrats were the bad guys in the 1860's are bolstering the argument of today's liberals that many southerners are bigots and kooks.

. Democrats Al Gore Senior and J. William Fulbright are conservatives even though Fulbright was Bill Clinton's mentor? What a laugh! This has nothing to do with ideology. Slavery is a Democrat thing. Democrats like to control people. You still do. Conservative want men to be free. Get it? LoL

 

[bucs90]

Yep. Slave owners wanted blacks to be dependent. Dependent on them....for food and shelter. In exchange...they work for them.

Replace "work" with "vote". Now....you see modern Democrats.

 

[rdean]

So during the Civil War, it was the conservatives who were Republicans in the north and Liberals who who were Democrats in the south. So today, the Democrats in the north are still Conservatives and the Republicans in the south are still liberals.
Is that how it works?

 

[rdean]

Yep. Slave owners wanted blacks to be dependent. Dependent on them....for food and shelter. In exchange...they work for them.

Replace "work" with "vote". Now....you see modern Democrats.

So modern Democrats are conservatives and the Republicans are the liberals? Because during the Civil War, it was the Union Military that were conservatives and Confederates that were liberals?