Europe Hints that it will Fill Void Left by U.S. Regarding Ukraine. What about Specifics, though?

[Stann]

Volodymr Zelenskyy got a warm welcome in London on Saturday as leaders across Europe rallied to his defense on the heels of an extraordinary Oval Office clash in which President Trump accused the Ukrainian leader of "gambling with World War III."

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/01/g-s1-51506/european-leaders-react-to-zelenskyy-oval-office

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In Zelenskyy's first official meeting since the row — which also included Vice President JD Vance and took place in full view of the media — British Prime Minister Kier Starmer embraced Zelenskyy as the two met at 10 Downing Street. Starmer told the Ukrainian leader that he has "full backing across the United Kingdom."

French President Emmanuel Macron was among the most pointed in his public statements, distinguishing between what he called the "aggressor" — Russia — and the "victim" — Ukraine. He said that countries including France that had helped Ukraine and sanctioned Russia three years ago after its February 2022 invasion were "right" to continue to do so.

The European Union's most powerful leader, Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, told Zelenskyy in a message posted on social media on Friday that his "dignity honors the bravery of the Ukrainian people," adding an encouragement that he "be strong, be brave, be fearless," and concluding "you are never alone."


Stirring words. But what do they mean.

Zelenskyy is taking a "my way or the highway" approach to the United States' help in the war. Not hard to guess which choice Trump will make under an ultimatum like that. So, for this thread, let's assume that Trump ends up withdrawing all help to Ukraine.

Is Zelenskyy counting on more help from Europe than he will ultimately get? And will Europe accept his all-or-nothing approach? Or well they also insist on diplomacy during a cease-fire, which Zelenskyy rejected from the U.S? Will he accept it if Europe proposes it?

If the absolute minimum that Zelenskyy is willing to take is a humiliating total defeat for Russia, and full NATO membership for his country, will European leaders go along with that? It's what we the United States gave western Europe after they were attacked by Nazi Germany, not only a humiliating defeat, but near destruction of the aggressor. But . . . it took a total war to get to that.

Is Europe ready for a total war against Russia as demanded by Zelenskyy?

How they do it is none of our business , I 'm glad they are doing it. putin should never be rewarded for his war crimes.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

The Establishment press is going through the motions of is this the birth of a European military force...
Yawn

We're still waiting on the rapid reaction force ..... Also how fast can the Germans waddle it's a real conundrum

 

[zaangalewa]

Wouldn't it be funny now if that forced the USA to side with Russia ...

The USA is on the side of Russia since Mr. criminal president and high traitor Donald Trump is president of the USA, Russian or US-Russian. His good friend Kim Jong-un is once again leading soldiers alongside Russia in the war against Europe in Ukraine.

 

[zaangalewa]

who wants to die for zelensky

Who wants to die for and against Putin?

 

[zaangalewa]

Better the European taxpayer fund the endless, bloody war, versus Americans. Go Europe!!!

If you remember "murdered" Donald Trump in the Corona crisis more US-Americans than in all wars of the USA ever had been killed. If you remember called Donald Trump in France the US-Americans who had died there "losers" whose graves are not worth to be visited from the president of the USA - because it was a little raining. And this cynical wimp is now again commander-in-chief of the US Army. I'm really sorry for you guys.

 

[zaangalewa]

It depends on Germany. ...

Nothing depends on Germany. What you brew is your beer not our beer. We just simple will continue to support the Ukraine.

 

[zaangalewa]

Who would evacuate 20-30k European troops at short notice when shit hits the fan ?

Don't forget to take your nukes with you when you will leave Europe. Nukes are hazardous waste.

 

[zaangalewa]

Is Europe ready for a total war against Russia as demanded by Zelenskyy?

Dont make me laugh

The euros are toothless

Wie soll man sonst auf euch pfeiffen?

 

[zaangalewa]

The Establishment press is going through the motions of is this the birth of a European military force...
Yawn

We're still waiting on the rapid reaction force ..... Also how fast can the Germans waddle it's a real conundrum

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About 1/3rd of all SS-soldiers not had been Germans since 1942. In this regions perhaps more than 50%. Who fought for us Germans was not necessarily a Nazi. Many freedom fighters against Stalin had been in the German army. Poles, people from the Baltic populations and also Russians.

So it looks like the monster Stalin gave the order to murder all freedom fighters.

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And "Bandera" is by the way a relativelly unimportant marginal figure of the Ukrainian history. Anyway the Nazis imprisoned him in a concentration camp.

 

[22lcidw]

As the US becomes isolationist the Europeans and Chinese will step into the void.

The U.S. is not isolationist. Everything is getting more expensive to build and use in high tech, military and anything related. And we are to busy paying off scum and corrupted asses within our nation along with foreign ones.

 

[Baron]

Is Europe ready for a total war against Russia as demanded by Zelenskyy?

Europa is the last bastion of satanists who want a completely eradication of the white race and its heritage. Of course the lead by pervert corrupted low-IQ maniacs Old Continent will send troops to fight Russia. It's a Race War, what's coming in Europe now, enemies of whites flood their countries with outcasts of the third world, destroy their economies, promote any insanity to make birth rates low. Finally they will instigate war between EU and Russia.And the white Europeans ceases out to exist. This is the plan

 

[alang1216]

The U.S. is not isolationist. Everything is getting more expensive to build and use in high tech, military and anything related. And we are to busy paying off scum and corrupted asses within our nation along with foreign ones.

You really should come and visit planet Earth someday, it is way better than where you are.

 

[zaangalewa]

Europa is the last bastion of satanists who want a completely eradication of the white race and its heritage.h

I am "the white race", absurde superidiot. The USA is our enemy now - again. This is satanic Mr. Absurdity. Trump is satanic. Vance is satanic. Musk is satanic - the new "government" of the USA is satanic and likes to destroy the USA.

Of course the lead by pervert corrupted low-IQ maniacs

As is Donald Dump?

Old Continent will send troops to fight Russia.

What a nonsense, US- Russian. The Stalinist Putin starsted a stupid, senselelss and criminal war on Europe in the Ukraine.

It's a Race War,

Good grief. Believes today any idiot every nonsense?

what's coming in Europe now, enemies of whites flood their countries with outcasts of the third world, destroy their economies, promote any insanity to make birth rates low. Finally they will instigate war between EU and Russia.And the white Europeans ceases out to exist. This is the plan

of a brain amputated US-Russian superidiot like you?

 

[zaangalewa]

The U.S. is not isolationist. Everything is getting more expensive to build and use in high tech, military and anything related. And we are to busy paying scum and corrupted asses within our nation along with foreign ones.

"scum and corrupting asses within our nation" = Donald Dump and All-Is Murks?

 

[Seymour Flops]

How they do it is none of our business , I 'm glad they are doing it. putin should never be rewarded for his war crimes.

My point is that I doubt they are going to do it, and they are certainly not doing it already.

England publicly announced strong support when Zelenskyy visited after his WH disaster. But behind closed doors they seem to have told him to get back in Trump's good graces and now.



Nothing wrong with that, BTW. While I am a big fan of openess in government, foreign relations cannot be carried out that way. Behind closed doors is the place for that business.

 

[zaangalewa]

WelfareQueen

You are wrong.

 

[Zavulon]

Nothing depends on Germany. What you brew is your beer not our beer. We just simple will continue to support the Ukraine.

Did you already exclude eastern Germans from the term "we"? They don't want to fight against Russia (neither directly nor indirectly).

 

[Zavulon]

About 1/3rd of all SS-soldiers not had been Germans since 1942. In this regions perhaps more than 50%. Who fought for us Germans was not necessarily a Nazi. Many freedom fighters against Stalin had been in the German army. Poles, people from the Baltic populations and also Russians.

So it looks like the monster Stalin gave the order to murder all freedom fighters.

All those "freedom fighters" deserved quick drop and a sudden stop. Death from bullet was mercy for them.

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And "Bandera" is by the way a relativelly unimportant marginal figure of the Ukrainian history. Anyway the Nazis imprisoned him in a concentration camp.

And his organisation was working for Nazies.

 

[WelfareQueen]

WelfareQueen

You are wrong.

Can't wait to see the cowards of Europe "save" Ukraine. Europe is irrelevant. US, China, and Russia rule the World. Europe is a sad little afterthought.

 

[zaangalewa]

Can't wait to see the cowards of Europe "save" Ukraine. Europe is irrelevant. US, China, and Russia rule the World. Europe is a sad little afterthought. ...

Aha. The USA, Russia and China will rule the world. Poor planet. That's why you try to sacrifice the Ukraine on your altar of megalomaniac vanities. It's not exactly nice to see one of the oldest democracies in the world to go down without a sound, Russian. And it's also not nice to see Russia fall back into Stalinistic barbary.