Expelled Oklahoma U fraternity to sue university, possibly President Boren

[JoeMoma]

The frat boys being expelled will forever be known as ..........

 

[JoeB131]

This involves an interaction between people, and the potential for "threatening words." This is not comparable to the current case.

Also, its only up to the district court so far.

so let me get this straight. Wanting to get drunk because you are irritated with your fellow students is "potential for threatening words", but threatening to hang N-words isn't?

point was, i met all the conditions you set out, and as usual, you aren't man enough to admit it.

 

[JoeB131]

You and the University don't get to make that call.

well, the university got to, obviously.

 

[thereisnospoon]

March 12, 2015: "The local chapter of Sigma Alpha Epsilon is planning to pursue legal action against the University of Oklahoma, and possibly OU President David Boren.

The group has hired high-profile attorney, Stephen Jones to represent them.

Jones told NewsChannel 4 the group is outraged over President Boren shutting down the fraternity house and branding all SAE members as racists and bigots.

Jones says the two students who were expelled because of the incident have apologized sincerely for their remarks, and now the incident is being exploited."

OU SAE to sue university possibly President Boren KFOR.com

Notwithstanding the video and the obvious racism of the frat members, the suit appears to have little merit.

 

[thereisnospoon]

March 12, 2015: "The local chapter of Sigma Alpha Epsilon is planning to pursue legal action against the University of Oklahoma, and possibly OU President David Boren.

The group has hired high-profile attorney, Stephen Jones to represent them.

Jones told NewsChannel 4 the group is outraged over President Boren shutting down the fraternity house and branding all SAE members as racists and bigots.

Jones says the two students who were expelled because of the incident have apologized sincerely for their remarks, and now the incident is being exploited."

OU SAE to sue university possibly President Boren KFOR.com

As well they should. And they're gonna win. Their expulsion was unlawful since the university's public. Had it been a private university it'd have been fine.

I disagree. The students represent the fraternity and the University. Each entity has the right to protect their respective reputations.
That condition in and of itself, permits the entities to discipline the students.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Since the university no doubt has codes of conduct and a bunch of legalese that probably none of these drunk frat boys bothered to read before they signed, not so much.

Oh, look everyone, Mac is coming out in favor of racist frat boys.

Genius.....Where do you see "support" in "this could be interesting"?....Stand down and control your hysteria.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Since the university no doubt has codes of conduct and a bunch of legalese that probably none of these drunk frat boys bothered to read before they signed, not so much.

Oh, look everyone, Mac is coming out in favor of racist frat boys.

That's the same simplistic, idiotic argument all liberals use: "The college has a code of conduct therefore the expulsion was constitutional."

But they don't wonder whether the code of conduct was broken at all. The relevant section in the code of conduct says that the harassment has to be based on a protected class and "so severe, pervasive and objectively offensive that it effectively keeps the targets of discrimination from getting an education,” says Robert Shibley, executive director of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education. Link SAE s speech may be protected by First Amendment - OUDaily.com News

Will OU show a judge that someone was kept from getting an education because of this video? Who are the "targets" in the video?

Then we see what legal experts say: "the code could not take precedence over First Amendment rights." Link http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/12/u...oma-students-leads-to-free-speech-debate.html

Related: Why expelled Oklahoma frat boys would have an excellent chance in court - The Washington Post

If the suit uses that legal precedent as a defense, the suit may have merit. However, is it meritorious of a financial settlement? I think not.
The students can return to the University.
As far as the fraternity is concerned, I see no logic in ordering the fraternity to reinstate them. Fraternities and sororities are private clubs.

 

[thereisnospoon]

That's the same simplistic, idiotic argument all liberals use: "The college has a code of conduct therefore the expulsion was constitutional." Then we see what legal experts say: "the code could not take precedence over First Amendment rights." Link http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/12/u...oma-students-leads-to-free-speech-debate.html

Do you liberals really think that this all boils down to the existence of a code of conduct? Is there any university that doesn't have one? Do you argue that legal experts somehow believe that OU didn't have a code of conduct?

the first Amendment doesn't prevent universities from taking action, just Congress. so, no.

Now, I'm sure that there's some ambulance chaser who is going to take this to court, and the university might even settle to get rid of the charge.

Sort of like those same ambulance chaser/parachute lawyers who sue Mc Donald's because some dumb bitch puts a cup of hot coffee in her lap and tries to drive a car?

 

[thereisnospoon]

This involves an interaction between people, and the potential for "threatening words." This is not comparable to the current case.

Also, its only up to the district court so far.

so let me get this straight. Wanting to get drunk because you are irritated with your fellow students is "potential for threatening words", but threatening to hang N-words isn't?

point was, i met all the conditions you set out, and as usual, you aren't man enough to admit it.

Your presence here ruins any chance of a civil discussion.
You are a reprehensible individual.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Public Universities have been held to the same standard of speech protection that government has.

No, they don't. again, no one is throwing them in jail for their racist rants. They are just saying, "We don't want you going to school here because you'll probably get your asses kicked."

Hey, whatever happened to the "Party of Personal Responsibility". YOu know, the one that says people need to own up to their actions?

"We don't want you going to school here because you'll probably get your asses kicked."
Mob rule? Typical liberal.

 

[JoeB131]

Again, being a student is not a "job." And a public university is not a typical employer.

No, but it does have a code of conduct, which probably includes the kind of language you would use to keep employees from saying racist, homophobic or sexist things.

 

[Carla_Danger]

KFOR reports the Oklahoma State University fraternity has taken down the Confederate flag inside the student's room.

This is a worrisome development. Americans afraid to express themselves. Thank you Libs!

They have a reputation to look after, which right now is at an all time low. They did it to themselves.

 

[JoeB131]

you are over simplifying, IF a court rules that because they are a public institution they can't limit free speech, the code of conduct clause regarding speech is null and void. The law is quite clear, a contract that contains illegal clauses that favor the person who wrote the contract is unenforceable regardless of whether a person agreed to it or not.

No judge or jury is going to defend the right of drunken frat boys to sing racial slurs.

Just ain't gonna happen, guy.

 

[JoeB131]

Even the ACLU agrees that the University probably went too far.

The ACLU fought for the right of Nazis to march in Skokie around Holocaust survivors.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

you are over simplifying, IF a court rules that because they are a public institution they can't limit free speech, the code of conduct clause regarding speech is null and void. The law is quite clear, a contract that contains illegal clauses that favor the person who wrote the contract is unenforceable regardless of whether a person agreed to it or not.

No judge or jury is going to defend the right of drunken frat boys to sing racial slurs.

Just ain't gonna happen, guy.

LOL , it's happened in the past you moron.

 

[JoeB131]

This isn't about two idiots. It's about one of the most fundamental freedoms of our society. If unpopular speech isn't protected, then no speech is protected.

There is an old maxim.... the one thing we learn from history is that we never learn anything from history.

You have freedom of speech. You do no have freedom from consequences.

These students signed a code of conduct, which they violated. There isn't a case here.

 

[Carla_Danger]

you are over simplifying, IF a court rules that because they are a public institution they can't limit free speech, the code of conduct clause regarding speech is null and void. The law is quite clear, a contract that contains illegal clauses that favor the person who wrote the contract is unenforceable regardless of whether a person agreed to it or not.

No judge or jury is going to defend the right of drunken frat boys to sing racial slurs.

Just ain't gonna happen, guy.

According to Daily Kos, the SAE attorney is not going to file suit.

Stephen Jones, famous Oklahoma self-promoter, a 75 year old attorney whose representation of Timothy McVeigh, ended in a Federal execution, just held a press conference in Oklahoma. During media questioning, he refused to even strongly assert First Amendment rights for his clients, the disgraced racist frat boys. He produced no lawsuit. He seemed ill prepared and relatively unenthusiastic about his chances of success at whatever it is he's not really doing. There is still a top diary here at Kos saying a lawsuit has been filed. No there hasn't.

Oh, and he lied about the ownership of the frat house and the land on which it sits, claiming the fraternity owned the land. They don't, the University own both the land and the house.

Oklahoma U. SAE Lawyer Holds Press Conference Files No Suit

 

[Preacher]

LOL @ using daily kos as a legit source.

 

[Carla_Danger]

LOL @ using daily kos as a legit source.

I'm not gonna deny that they are biased. So we'll see if they reported correctly.

 

[Carla_Danger]

LOL @ using daily kos as a legit source.

Here's an update at KFOR one hour ago.


After the press conference, the national spokesperson of Sigma Alpha Epsilon, Brandon Weghorst, released a statement.

The national organization is not involved in retaining Mr. Jones and, as of now, we have no further information about his intentions.

Our priority now remains squarely focused on making sure we continue to proactively address this issue in a way that reflects our zero-tolerance for any kind of discrimination and upholds the values of our Fraternity. We teach our members to serve as role models in their communities and to live up to our creed, “The True Gentleman.”


SAE attorney wants second chance for fraternity after viral video fallout KFOR.com