Gee I wonder how this happened

[guno]

All out war between Shia and Sunni countries Saudi against Iran, Iraq splitting apart as is yemen

Now who invaded Iraq admitting he didn't know the difference between Sunni and shia or the history?

Ambassador: Bush Didn’t Know There Were Two Sects of Islam


http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/amb...ects_of_islam/

 

[SassyIrishLass]

There are more than two sects....see you're not as bright as you think you are

 

[BULLDOG]

There are more than two sects....see you're not as bright as you think you are

Those are the two major sects in that area that are needed to be considered in any action taken. Shrub didn't know there were any differences at all.

 

[kiwiman127]

This article from Reuters fits this OP.
The ‘marriage of convenience’ between Saddam Hussein’s men and Islamic State
The ‘marriage of convenience’ between Saddam Hussein’s men and Islamic State
According to this piece, the invasion, the capture and execution of Saddam and the Shitte controlled Iraqi governments exclusion of the Sunni ability to participate in the new Iraqi government had much to do with the formation of ISIS.
Saddam's henchmen (Baathist) are part of the emergence of the ISIS.
Bush was warned about a war between the Sunni and Shiites and it was the reason W's dad stopped short of removing Saddam, they knew it would create chaos in the ME.
BUT, the Bush Administration did encourage the Malaki government to be inclusive with the Sunni and became quite frustrated with Maliki's actions against the Sunni. They did see the handwriting on the wall, but Maliki didn't budge for Bush or Obama.

 

[TNHarley]

Is this really spin to blame bush for a millennias old conflict?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

There are more than two sects....see you're not as bright as you think you are

Those are the two major sects in that area that are needed to be considered in any action taken. Shrub didn't know there were any differences at all.

Yeah I read that, a former ambassador made a claim....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[the_human_being]

All out war between Shia and Sunni countries Saudi against Iran, Iraq splitting apart as is yemen

Now who invaded Iraq admitting he didn't know the difference between Sunni and shia or the history?

Ambassador: Bush Didn’t Know There Were Two Sects of Islam


http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/amb...ects_of_islam/

In the words of your idol, "At this point, what difference does it make?' Wouldn't your time be better spent worrying about the future?

 

[emilynghiem]

There are more than two sects....see you're not as bright as you think you are

The Sunni-Shia Divide

An ancient religious divide is helping fuel a resurgence of conflicts in the Middle East and Muslim countries. Struggles between Sunni and Shia forces have fed a Syrian civil war that threatens to transform the map of the Middle East, spurred violence that is fracturing Iraq, and widened fissures in a number of tense Gulf countries. Growing sectarian clashes have also sparked a revival of transnational jihadi networks that poses a threat beyond the region.

Islam’s schism, simmering for fourteen centuries, doesn’t explain all the political, economic, and geostrategic factors involved in these conflicts, but it has become one prism through which to understand the underlying tensions. Two countries that compete for the leadership of Islam, Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shia Iran, have used the sectarian divide to further their ambitions. How their rivalry is settled will likely shape the political balance between Sunnis and Shias and the future of the region, especially in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Bahrain, and Yemen.

Alongside the proxy battle is the renewed fervor of armed militants, motivated by the goals of cleansing the faith or preparing the way for the return of the messiah. Today there are tens of thousands of organized sectarian militants throughout the region capable of triggering a broader conflict. And despite the efforts of many Sunni and Shia clerics to reduce tensions through dialogue and counterviolence measures, many experts express concern that Islam’s divide will lead to escalating violence and a growing threat to international peace and security.

Sunni and Shia Muslims have lived peacefully together for centuries. In many countries it has become common for members of the two sects to intermarry and pray at the same mosques. They share faith in the Quran and the Prophet Mohammed’s sayings and perform similar prayers, although they differ in rituals and interpretation of Islamic law.

Shia identity is rooted in victimhood over the killing of Husayn, the Prophet Mohammed’s grandson, in the seventh century, and a long history of marginalization by the Sunni majority. Islam’s dominant sect, which roughly 85 percent of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims follow, viewed Shia Islam with suspicion, and extremist Sunnis have portrayed Shias as heretics and apostates.

CHART: of 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, 85% are Sunni and 15% are Shia

 

[SassyIrishLass]

There are more than two sects....see you're not as bright as you think you are

The Sunni-Shia Divide

I know all that and it's been going on for centuries, that's why this thread and claim is ridiculous

 

[TheCrusader]

There are more than two sects....see you're not as bright as you think you are

The Sunni-Shia Divide

I know all that and it's been going on for centuries, that's why this thread and claim is ridiculous

It hasn't been going on for centuries you retard.

Name one major Sunni-Shia conflict before 1970. You fucking republicans are as dumb as dirt.

 

[Moonglow]

All out war between Shia and Sunni countries Saudi against Iran, Iraq splitting apart as is yemen

Now who invaded Iraq admitting he didn't know the difference between Sunni and shia or the history?

Ambassador: Bush Didn’t Know There Were Two Sects of Islam


http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/amb...ects_of_islam/

Self determination?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

There are more than two sects....see you're not as bright as you think you are

The Sunni-Shia Divide

I know all that and it's been going on for centuries, that's why this thread and claim is ridiculous

It hasn't been going on for centuries you retard.

Name one major Sunni-Shia conflict before 1970. You fucking republicans are as dumb as dirt.

Battle of Camel 646 AD

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

All out war between Shia and Sunni countries Saudi against Iran, Iraq splitting apart as is yemen

Now who invaded Iraq admitting he didn't know the difference between Sunni and shia or the history?

Ambassador: Bush Didn’t Know There Were Two Sects of Islam


http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/amb...ects_of_islam/

But the expert on Muslims is President now.
How can things be getting worse?
Racist!!!

 

[blackhawk]

Try actually thinking then you won't have to wonder.

 

[emilynghiem]

There are more than two sects....see you're not as bright as you think you are

The Sunni-Shia Divide

I know all that and it's been going on for centuries, that's why this thread and claim is ridiculous

It hasn't been going on for centuries you retard.

Name one major Sunni-Shia conflict before 1970. You fucking republicans are as dumb as dirt.

Yes and no TheCrusader

Just because we don't hear this in the news to consider it major
doesn't mean religious and political violence and wars weren't going on between the two.

here's one example of political violence for dominance:

"Shiism in Persia after Safavids
Ismail I initiated a religious policy to recognize Shiism as the official religion of the Safavid Empire, and the fact that modern Iran and Azerbaijan remain officially Shia states is a direct result of Ismail's actions.

Shah Ismail I of Safavid dynasty destroyed the tombs of Abū Ḥanīfa and the Sufi Abdul Qadir Gilani in 1508.[58] In 1533, Ottomans restored order, reconquered Iraq and rebuilt Sunni shrines.[59]
Unfortunately for Ismail, most of his subjects were Sunni. He thus had to enforce official Shiism violently, putting to death those who opposed him. Under this pressure, Safavid subjects either converted or pretended to convert, but it is safe to say that the majority of the population was probably genuinely Shia by the end of the Safavid period in the 18th century, and most Iranians today are Shia, although there is still a Sunni minority.[60]"

How many more wars, genocides, and military coups actions and oppression / dominance
do we not hear about?

So by your standards, if you only count incidents that Western powers have used to justify involvement,
sure you can blame that on the West.

If you count the underlying conflicts, there were always going on.
You may not consider that major.

 

[TheCrusader]

There are more than two sects....see you're not as bright as you think you are

The Sunni-Shia Divide

I know all that and it's been going on for centuries, that's why this thread and claim is ridiculous

It hasn't been going on for centuries you retard.

Name one major Sunni-Shia conflict before 1970. You fucking republicans are as dumb as dirt.

Yes and no TheCrusader

Just because we don't hear this in the news to consider it major
doesn't mean religious and political violence and wars weren't going on between the two.

here's one example of political violence for dominance:

"Shiism in Persia after Safavids
Ismail I initiated a religious policy to recognize Shiism as the official religion of the Safavid Empire, and the fact that modern Iran and Azerbaijan remain officially Shia states is a direct result of Ismail's actions.

Shah Ismail I of Safavid dynasty destroyed the tombs of Abū Ḥanīfa and the Sufi Abdul Qadir Gilani in 1508.[58] In 1533, Ottomans restored order, reconquered Iraq and rebuilt Sunni shrines.[59]
Unfortunately for Ismail, most of his subjects were Sunni. He thus had to enforce official Shiism violently, putting to death those who opposed him. Under this pressure, Safavid subjects either converted or pretended to convert, but it is safe to say that the majority of the population was probably genuinely Shia by the end of the Safavid period in the 18th century, and most Iranians today are Shia, although there is still a Sunni minority.[60]"

How many more wars, genocides, and military coups actions and oppression / dominance
do we not hear about?

So by your standards, if you only count incidents that Western powers have used to justify involvement,
sure you can blame that on the West.

If you count the underlying conflicts, there were always going on.
You may not consider that major.

None of those were major, the Islamic Empires under their various dynasties were more unified then than ever since 1919.

The European Imperialist betrayal of the Arabs after dismantling the Ottomans is both NEVER FORGOTTEN and has caused the Sunni-Shia schism as you know it today.

What WILL HAPPEN is the Sunni-Shia will reunite, a new Islamic Empire will destroy the Western puppet dictators, and then the world will move into a much different phase of what's going on over there.

 

[TheCrusader]

There are more than two sects....see you're not as bright as you think you are

The Sunni-Shia Divide

I know all that and it's been going on for centuries, that's why this thread and claim is ridiculous

It hasn't been going on for centuries you retard.

Name one major Sunni-Shia conflict before 1970. You fucking republicans are as dumb as dirt.

Battle of Camel 646 AD

So the only thing you can think of is a googled battle from 1400 years ago?

You're an IDIOT.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

There are more than two sects....see you're not as bright as you think you are

The Sunni-Shia Divide

I know all that and it's been going on for centuries, that's why this thread and claim is ridiculous

It hasn't been going on for centuries you retard.

Name one major Sunni-Shia conflict before 1970. You fucking republicans are as dumb as dirt.

Yes and no TheCrusader

Just because we don't hear this in the news to consider it major
doesn't mean religious and political violence and wars weren't going on between the two.

here's one example of political violence for dominance:

"Shiism in Persia after Safavids
Ismail I initiated a religious policy to recognize Shiism as the official religion of the Safavid Empire, and the fact that modern Iran and Azerbaijan remain officially Shia states is a direct result of Ismail's actions.

Shah Ismail I of Safavid dynasty destroyed the tombs of Abū Ḥanīfa and the Sufi Abdul Qadir Gilani in 1508.[58] In 1533, Ottomans restored order, reconquered Iraq and rebuilt Sunni shrines.[59]
Unfortunately for Ismail, most of his subjects were Sunni. He thus had to enforce official Shiism violently, putting to death those who opposed him. Under this pressure, Safavid subjects either converted or pretended to convert, but it is safe to say that the majority of the population was probably genuinely Shia by the end of the Safavid period in the 18th century, and most Iranians today are Shia, although there is still a Sunni minority.[60]"

How many more wars, genocides, and military coups actions and oppression / dominance
do we not hear about?

So by your standards, if you only count incidents that Western powers have used to justify involvement,
sure you can blame that on the West.

If you count the underlying conflicts, there were always going on.
You may not consider that major.

None of those were major, the Islamic Empires under their various dynasties were more unified then than ever since 1919.

The European Imperialist betrayal of the Arabs after dismantling the Ottomans is both NEVER FORGOTTEN and has caused the Sunni-Shia schism as you know it today.

What WILL HAPPEN is the Sunni-Shia will reunite, a new Islamic Empire will destroy the Western puppet dictators, and then the world will move into a much different phase of what's going on over there.

LOL You're ignorant

 

[SassyIrishLass]

There are more than two sects....see you're not as bright as you think you are

The Sunni-Shia Divide

I know all that and it's been going on for centuries, that's why this thread and claim is ridiculous

It hasn't been going on for centuries you retard.

Name one major Sunni-Shia conflict before 1970. You fucking republicans are as dumb as dirt.

Battle of Camel 646 AD

So the only thing you can think of is a googled battle from 1400 years ago?

You're an IDIOT.

It's been on going for 1400 years you phucking retard

 

[TheCrusader]

The Sunni-Shia Divide

I know all that and it's been going on for centuries, that's why this thread and claim is ridiculous

It hasn't been going on for centuries you retard.

Name one major Sunni-Shia conflict before 1970. You fucking republicans are as dumb as dirt.

Yes and no TheCrusader

Just because we don't hear this in the news to consider it major
doesn't mean religious and political violence and wars weren't going on between the two.

here's one example of political violence for dominance:

"Shiism in Persia after Safavids
Ismail I initiated a religious policy to recognize Shiism as the official religion of the Safavid Empire, and the fact that modern Iran and Azerbaijan remain officially Shia states is a direct result of Ismail's actions.

Shah Ismail I of Safavid dynasty destroyed the tombs of Abū Ḥanīfa and the Sufi Abdul Qadir Gilani in 1508.[58] In 1533, Ottomans restored order, reconquered Iraq and rebuilt Sunni shrines.[59]
Unfortunately for Ismail, most of his subjects were Sunni. He thus had to enforce official Shiism violently, putting to death those who opposed him. Under this pressure, Safavid subjects either converted or pretended to convert, but it is safe to say that the majority of the population was probably genuinely Shia by the end of the Safavid period in the 18th century, and most Iranians today are Shia, although there is still a Sunni minority.[60]"

How many more wars, genocides, and military coups actions and oppression / dominance
do we not hear about?

So by your standards, if you only count incidents that Western powers have used to justify involvement,
sure you can blame that on the West.

If you count the underlying conflicts, there were always going on.
You may not consider that major.

None of those were major, the Islamic Empires under their various dynasties were more unified then than ever since 1919.

The European Imperialist betrayal of the Arabs after dismantling the Ottomans is both NEVER FORGOTTEN and has caused the Sunni-Shia schism as you know it today.

What WILL HAPPEN is the Sunni-Shia will reunite, a new Islamic Empire will destroy the Western puppet dictators, and then the world will move into a much different phase of what's going on over there.

LOL You're ignorant

I have a formal education in Islamic history, what do YOU have?